Talk:George Foreman Grill

in popular culture

Exactly how is the current "in popular culture" list an example of popular culture items? It's just a list of tv show episodes that mentioned the product. If it's worthy of notation, it's worthy of rolling into the article. Otherwise it's a list of factoids for trivia pursuit --71.138.143.4 15:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The popular culture list is longer then the article about the product itself. the "in popular culture" section of the list just encourages people to contribute bulleted tangential entries that do not contribute to a better understanding about the main article. If anything, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=george+foreman+grill+site%3Alivejournal.com says more about the grill in popular culture then a list cartoons, movies and comics that mention the grill. See the discusson in the article. --71.138.143.4 20:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning Criticism

I hear people complaining all the time about how they don't use their George Foreman Grill because it's too hard to clean.

It has to be cleaned while it's hot! Take a damp cloth, plug in the grill and wipe. That's it. Everything slides right off no matter how hard or old or crusted or black it might be. It's the easiest thing to clean.

P.S. I realize this doesn't belong on the discussion page of an encyclopedia. Pdelongchamp 20:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Most encyclopedias don't have discussion pages, so who cares. I'll try that next time I clean the grill. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.189.116.168 (talk • contribs).

Is this thing really a grill?

if i put a piece of meat directly on the stove top is that considered grilling in the US? this thing always seemed more like a fryer than a grill. maybe the term grill should be adjust to mean cooking directly over an open flame which is located underneath a grate or something like that to avoid confusion.69.217.52.70 20:19, 23 March 2006 (UTC)cam

"Grill" seems to be an ambiguous term, but in "American", I think it is used any time one is cooking on a hot grate (which George definitely has)*. Radiational heating seems to also factor in (which George has some of, but not as much as a true grill) as does heating by the passage of hot gasses (which George again has some of...). I think if the food ends up with "grill marks" it could be said to be "grilled", which is probably how this product gets away with it.

Atlant 16:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

(Who has both a real grill in a cooktop and a George grill and uses both for varying purposes)

* Or even sometimes just on a hot flat surface (e.g., the grilled cheese sandwich), although that's more-properly called a griddle.

Somewhat overdone introduction

Note that "The George Foreman Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine" is a broad title. If that is really the name of the product, the page's file name should be changed.

It is... it should be changed... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.238.179.182 (talk • contribs) .

Note that Wikipedia policy is generally to use the most common name, not the "full" name (e.g. Bill Gates, not William Henry Gates III). I doubt anyone who's not a marketer actually calls the thing George Foreman Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine, even if that is its actual name. A quick Google search suggests "George Foreman Grill" is indeed the most commonly used name. Frankly, I think using the whole phrase as the title would look silly; before you know it we'll have to put © and ® in titles... 82.92.119.11 13:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

My understanding is that the "most common name" is the "George Foreman Grill". The "Lean, Mean, Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine" is more of a subtitle introduced purely for marketing to people who need less fat in their diet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.59.117 (talk) 02:30, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Buyout

Didn't Salton have to buy the rights from George because they were losing so much money paying him per grill? --Liface 21:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Did Sulton invent the grill?

Would I be correct assuming that George himself did not came up with the design and is only the spokesperson for grill. I think this should be made clear as I was previously under the mistaken belief that the design was George's idea and Sulton was simply contracted to manufacture it. --Cab88 15:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Old versus new

Have an early model that cannot be pulled apart to wash, so bought a new one that can. However on trying to cook steak in it, it just can't do it properly, its as though you steamed it!!!

I worked out why: the new version is only 1300W, (not 2400W like the early one)so it does not sear & seal the meat...result is disgusting!....I feel like I have been conned twice by buying what the big name suggests is a quality product. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.6.152.233 (talk • contribs) .

Are you writing from the US or the rest of the world? 'Cause in the US, your old grill can't possibly be rated 2400 watts -- That would be illegal with a 15 Amp power plug (where 1350 W or so is about the limit). But your basic diagnosis is correct: if meat cooks too slowly, it tastes steamed, not grilled.

Atlant 12:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me

or is this article written like an advertisement? It doesn't seem very NPOV to me. --Machriderx 17:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

In an episode of Sex and the City, Carrie's boyfriend Aiden (John Corbett) surprised Carrie with fajitas on his "George Foreman Lean Mean Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine" - he used the entire name of the grill when describing it to her.

i believe that is what is known as product placement, they were probably paid to use that particular item--71.138.143.4 14:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I based the undo on the previous user on My discussion with T-Rex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samuel Curtis (talk • contribs) 15:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Fat-Reducing Grilling Machine

It does remove a little more fat than the normal grill because it heats up slower. What happens is the fat has more time to seep out because this grill does not sear the fat in like conventional grills. This is shown in Good Eats, Episode EA1E12, "Scrap Iron Chef". After Alton Brown makes bacon from scratch, he bakes the bacon in the oven. He places the strips of bacon onto a sheet pan fitted with a rack, then places that into a cold oven. He turns the oven to 400 degrees F, then explains if you want the bacon to be less lean, to preheat the oven instead. He explains that allowing the oven to preheat with the bacon in gives the fat more time to cook out. So the grill does cook leaner because it takes the meat longer to heat up than over a hot flame. --24.123.188.12 17:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Foreman didn't invent the grill

Foreman didn't invent the grill as the page implies. Terry "Hulk" Hogan publically stated he and Foreman were approached by their mutual talent agent to promote either the grill or a blender. Hogan didn't respond to the offer quickly enough and Foreman ended getting the grill endorsement contract.

Rename?

OK, I understand Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine is the official full name of this appliance-- but even within this article, it is more referred as the George Foreman Grill. given the latter is also the name most people know about this, I wonder it should be renamed. --Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 15:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine → George Foreman Grill — George Foreman Grill is a more well-known name for this appliance than Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine, to the level that within this article, the subject is referred as a George Foreman Grill and the official product website igrillwithgeorge.com refers to the products as the more George Foreman Grill than Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine:

[1] : What makes George Foreman Grills so popular?

[2]: Salton continues to revolutionize the George Foreman Grill lineup.

[3]: Send us your George Foreman Grill recipes...

[4] Foreman himself did talk about "grill" but not "Lean Mean Fat Reducing Grilling Machine."

Hence I think George Foreman Grill is correct on both most common name and self-identification grounds. —Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 16:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

• Support as nom.--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 16:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Um, I just moved this completely arbitrarily without realising there was a requested move. If there's any objections, let me know on my talk page, otherwise it can stay at the new name. Neil ム 15:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move closed. Again, let me know if any issues. Neil ム 08:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)