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The entry on Germany is not quite correct. There is another term in German, "Pfalz", one meaning of which is the residences of the traveling kings of Germany (who doubled up as Emperors of the HRE frequently). Since Germany had no capital, the King traveled to reside on location where 'needed'. The "palace" in Aachen is one such "Pfalz", special because it was the traditional coronation palace for every King. Today, a lot of these palaces are called "Kaiserpfalz", but this is a more modern expression which overlooks that the king was only emperor when crowned as such by the pope through most of the Middle-Ages, and that the Emperor would frequently have his son elected king before he himself was dead to ensure family succession. Thus, "Königspfalz" would be a more fitting expression (and here in Dortmund, the location is referred to as the "Königshof", i.e. royal court. Unsure how much of this would be suitable to be included in the list vs. the main article on "palace", which is a bit short on this issue as well.[[User:OliverH|OliverH]] |
The entry on Germany is not quite correct. There is another term in German, "Pfalz", one meaning of which is the residences of the traveling kings of Germany (who doubled up as Emperors of the HRE frequently). Since Germany had no capital, the King traveled to reside on location where 'needed'. The "palace" in Aachen is one such "Pfalz", special because it was the traditional coronation palace for every King. Today, a lot of these palaces are called "Kaiserpfalz", but this is a more modern expression which overlooks that the king was only emperor when crowned as such by the pope through most of the Middle-Ages, and that the Emperor would frequently have his son elected king before he himself was dead to ensure family succession. Thus, "Königspfalz" would be a more fitting expression (and here in Dortmund, the location is referred to as the "Königshof", i.e. royal court. Unsure how much of this would be suitable to be included in the list vs. the main article on "palace", which is a bit short on this issue as well.[[User:OliverH|OliverH]] |
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==Rideau Hall and Nova Scotia Government House== |
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These are palaces? Do we have citations for that? If not remove them; if so keep them and their images. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 19:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
These are palaces? Do we have citations for that? If not remove them; if so keep them and their images. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 19:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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::Hmm, well in that case 'keep it' (including the RH image). PS- Sure be nice to see citations for all those 'questionable' palaces, though. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 19:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
::Hmm, well in that case 'keep it' (including the RH image). PS- Sure be nice to see citations for all those 'questionable' palaces, though. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 19:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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:::PS- Reviewd LonewolfBC's complaints, about the Rideau Hall image. Is their a Wikipedia rule/policy that bans images from ''lists''? If not, there's no reason to object. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 19:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
:::PS- Reviewd LonewolfBC's complaints, about the Rideau Hall image. Is their a Wikipedia rule/policy that bans images from ''lists''? If not, there's no reason to object. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] 19:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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=== Pic of Rideau Hall === |
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I erased the Rideau Hall image because it does not fit and is not needed, not on the basis that images are not allowed. I think that is clear enough from my edit-summaries: "pic doesn't fit & this is only a list" and "nuke pic b/c it overflows country's section & this is only a list". However, to explain at greater length, because the Canadian section of this list is short, the Hall's image over-spills it into the section below, even distorting the text there. This is visually illogical and esthetically displeasing, making the image's inclusion somewhat detrimental. Because this is only a list, images are needless here. They're okay as visual filler for otherwise blank space to the right of the listed items, but there is no real ''need'' for them in a list (as against an article). I'm of two minds about whether the list would be better without ''any'' images, but I'm not aware of any ban on images in lists, and did not delete the Hall's image a "no images" basis. So, considering the Hall's image (in particular) to be both unneeded and somewhat detrimental, I erased it. I even experimented with reducing it, but found that if it could be made to fit within its national section at all it would then be too small to be of any worth. Otherwise, I have no particular objection to having an image of Rideau Hall here.<br>I ''do'' object to the leaving of a rude message on my talk-page, its repeated restoration when I erased it, and the use of invidious and misleading edit-summaries both there and here -- misleading, among other ways, in that they only mention restoration of the pic, while not only the pic was being reverted to. The right way to proceed, Bambino, would have been to leave a message ''here'' along the lines of "I don't understand why you deleted the image. Please explain; I can't make it out from your edit-summaries," -- short, sweet, to-the-point.<br>-- [[User:Lonewolf BC|Lonewolf BC]] 21:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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The Summer Palace is not from Brazil, its from China and another one in Russia.
The entry on Germany is not quite correct. There is another term in German, "Pfalz", one meaning of which is the residences of the traveling kings of Germany (who doubled up as Emperors of the HRE frequently). Since Germany had no capital, the King traveled to reside on location where 'needed'. The "palace" in Aachen is one such "Pfalz", special because it was the traditional coronation palace for every King. Today, a lot of these palaces are called "Kaiserpfalz", but this is a more modern expression which overlooks that the king was only emperor when crowned as such by the pope through most of the Middle-Ages, and that the Emperor would frequently have his son elected king before he himself was dead to ensure family succession. Thus, "Königspfalz" would be a more fitting expression (and here in Dortmund, the location is referred to as the "Königshof", i.e. royal court. Unsure how much of this would be suitable to be included in the list vs. the main article on "palace", which is a bit short on this issue as well.OliverH
Rideau Hall and Nova Scotia Government House
These are palaces? Do we have citations for that? If not remove them; if so keep them and their images. GoodDay 19:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- According to Palace: "In English a palace is the home of a head of state or other high-ranking public figure." So, technically, yes, Rideau Hall and NS Gov't House are palaces. --G2bambino 19:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Technically, but not official? GoodDay 19:29, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see how that matters. A good number of buildings listed on here may not be "officially" dubbed a palace (the White House for example) but they fit the definition of one. --G2bambino 19:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, well in that case 'keep it' (including the RH image). PS- Sure be nice to see citations for all those 'questionable' palaces, though. GoodDay 19:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- PS- Reviewd LonewolfBC's complaints, about the Rideau Hall image. Is their a Wikipedia rule/policy that bans images from lists? If not, there's no reason to object. GoodDay 19:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, well in that case 'keep it' (including the RH image). PS- Sure be nice to see citations for all those 'questionable' palaces, though. GoodDay 19:43, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Pic of Rideau Hall
I erased the Rideau Hall image because it does not fit and is not needed, not on the basis that images are not allowed. I think that is clear enough from my edit-summaries: "pic doesn't fit & this is only a list" and "nuke pic b/c it overflows country's section & this is only a list". However, to explain at greater length, because the Canadian section of this list is short, the Hall's image over-spills it into the section below, even distorting the text there. This is visually illogical and esthetically displeasing, making the image's inclusion somewhat detrimental. Because this is only a list, images are needless here. They're okay as visual filler for otherwise blank space to the right of the listed items, but there is no real need for them in a list (as against an article). I'm of two minds about whether the list would be better without any images, but I'm not aware of any ban on images in lists, and did not delete the Hall's image a "no images" basis. So, considering the Hall's image (in particular) to be both unneeded and somewhat detrimental, I erased it. I even experimented with reducing it, but found that if it could be made to fit within its national section at all it would then be too small to be of any worth. Otherwise, I have no particular objection to having an image of Rideau Hall here.
I do object to the leaving of a rude message on my talk-page, its repeated restoration when I erased it, and the use of invidious and misleading edit-summaries both there and here -- misleading, among other ways, in that they only mention restoration of the pic, while not only the pic was being reverted to. The right way to proceed, Bambino, would have been to leave a message here along the lines of "I don't understand why you deleted the image. Please explain; I can't make it out from your edit-summaries," -- short, sweet, to-the-point.
-- Lonewolf BC 21:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)