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Speedy Nominations

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Pokémon Collaborative Project members

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The result of the debate was Speedy Rename G6 - housekeeping. - jc37 17:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pokémon Collaborative Project members -> Category:WikiProject Pokémon members

Speedy Rename as nominator. The Project has changed its name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokémon. --NThurston 13:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page, if any, or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

New Nominations by Date

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April 24

High school categories

No benefit to Wikipedia from categorizing users this specifically that I can think of. Seems like overcatigorization, and I think all should be upmerged to Category:Wikipedian high school students. Also I should add that there have previously been concerns on having categories specifically for minors, and everyone not a senior generally are. Merging would hopefully avoid this issue alltogether. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commons users

Redundant with Category:Wikipedians who contribute to Wikimedia Commons, and should be merged there. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. –Pomte 02:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. bibliomaniac 1 5 03:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bryce users

Needs to be renamed to Category:Wikipedians who use Bryce per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians by software. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. –Pomte 02:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Users who have the Ben Bulben award

The Ben Bulben award is an unofficial Wikipedia award, apparently only awarded to users for working on the Ben Bulben article. Categories by official Wikipedia award is one thing, but categories for unofficial awards can be potentially endless, depending on how many made up awards users create. At minimum needs a rename to conform with naming conventions in Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia award. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The box may be fine, but no need for the category. –Pomte 02:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians and Potato Skins

Nonsense category. "This user potato skins". Wha? Is this supposed to mean "This user skins potatos? Either way, unencyclopedic category, and needs a rename at the very least. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Myself Wikipedian

Wha? No explaination as to what this category is even for, and the name doesn't make sense. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete See {{User:Steinninn/myself}}; useless self-reference. –Pomte 02:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians formerly in Munich

How many cities are there in the world? That would be the answer as to how many categories we would allow to be created if this were kept. I don't want to see a "formerly in" category for countries, let alone cities. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians from Munich. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who are one of an infinite number of monkeys

Funny userbox, but the category is not helpful to Wikipedia in any way. There would be no reason to go through this category looking for users that I can think of. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as creator of the category. If humorous categories aren't generally approved of then i don't mind if we get rid of it, its only me and a random sockpuppet who are actually in the category at the moment anyway. Orgone 03:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who survived Hurricane Katrina

Do we want a "who survived" category for every disaster, natural or otherwise? Furthermore, this is an all-inclusive category, as almost the entire population of Earth survived Hurricane Katrina (the category doesn't specify you had to be at risk in order to be in the category). VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Users who read Milenio Diario on a regular basis

Needs "Wikipedians" instead of "Users", also "on a regular basis" is unnecessary. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who read Milenio Diario. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who have been hacked on Habbo Hotel

I nominated this for deletion a while back, seen here, but the category became empty during the nomination and was speedy deleted as such. Now it has been recreated, and this isn't technically speedyable since you are only supposed to delete things as a recreation if it still meets the reasons of why it was originally deleted, which this does not since it is not empty. If an admin wants to speedy this since it looks like there would have been a consensus to delete on the original nom, that is fine with me. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/speedy delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete too specific; makes susceptible users easy to identify. –Pomte 02:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User uz-0

0-level category, which have all been deleted here. Listing for another admin to verify. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete as nominator. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedian /b/tards

Wha? Looks like a subsection of 4chan, no need to categorize past parent category. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who use 4chan. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
/u/pmerge per nom. –Pomte 02:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians by former religion

Delete as per below ("not" category"). Both categories created by Andries (talk · contribs). ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep as per below. Andries 01:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not facilitate collaboration, could be considered a "not" category. VegaDark 01:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Untrue, I know a lot about my former religions. Andries 02:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - But not everyone who used to belong to a particular religion necessarily does. If you want to collaborate on religions without saying you are a part of that religion, create "interested in" categories, i.e. Category:Wikipedians interested in religion, Category:Wikipedians interested in Catholicism, etc. VegaDark 02:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Everything that you write applies for category:Wikipedians by religion too. Why not delete all those categories and its subcategories e.g. category:Christian Wikipedians and re-name them into Category:Wikipedians interested in religion and category:Wikipedians interested in Christianity? Andries 02:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'd support that. VegaDark 02:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        And rename category:Canadian Wikipedians into category:Wikipedians interested in Canada I welcome consistency and fairness. Andries 02:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        We allow for some basic demographic information, which stuff like that falls under, and I'm sure others would argue "by religion" categories fall under that as well (although I personally think "by religion" should be renamed to "interested in", as noted above). VegaDark 02:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Former religion is also quite basic. Andries 02:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        I suppose the consensus of this UCFD will determine that. VegaDark 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians who used to be Catholics

Delete. We do not need such categories ("not" category). ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
keep as per below. Andries 01:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not facilitate collaboration, could be considered a "not" category. VegaDark 01:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Untrue, I know a lot about my former religions. Andries 02:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - See above. VegaDark 02:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians who used to follow Sathya Sai Baba

Delete - Do not think these type of categories are needed. ("not" category). ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories category:critics of Sathya Sai Baba and Category:Former_Scientologists, category:former Muslims exists too.

it is not a "not" category like ~~category:atheist Wikipedians~~ category:non-Catholic Wikipedians Wikipedians]] (not theist) but a "former" category. It cannot be fairly equated to a "not" category like category:Non-Catholic Wikipedians Andries 01:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No really. An atheist is not necessarily a person that once believed in God and now does not, rather, an Atheist is a person that does not believe in God. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I agree, bad example. Andries 01:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If Wikipedians can classify themselves for a particular religion then I think they can also classify themselves for former religions. See category:Wikipedians by former religion Andries 01:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Does not facilitate collaboration, could be considered a "not" category. VegaDark 01:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Untrue, I know a lot about Catholicism and Sathya Sai Baba. Andries 02:01, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - See above. VegaDark 02:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Category:Former_Scientologists, and Category:critics of Sathya Sai Baba are for notable critics, not for Wikipedians. Wikipedian's categories are designed to entice collaboration. These are not "userboxes". You could create Category: Wikipedians interested in Sai Baba, if you wish. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Your proposed alternative category names are somewhat unusual until now. Andries 02:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        
        I am just following common practice pertaining user catgs. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April 23

Category:Flying Spaghetti Monsterists

Propose renaming Category:Flying Spaghetti Monsterists to Category:Wikipedian pastafarians

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are referred to as Pastafarians, as per the article. CA387 11:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I would just like to point out that, should there be a name change, "Pastafarian Wikipedians" would be a much more correct UC name change than "Wikipedian pastafarians".--Ramdrake 13:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support. It doesn't explain much about the context but then I suppose neither does the present name. I favour the change on grounds of simplicity. Sam Blacketer 11:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and keep current name as a redirect. As creator of the category, I am of two minds about it: while "Pastafarians" is indeed reported by several sources as being the correct term, I find it less descriptive than its alternatve. Maybe creating a redirect from one of those two names two the other so as to catch both alternatives would be best? I also just wanted to point out this is a user category, not a namespace category.--Ramdrake 12:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm also concerned that leaving only the name "Pastafarians" may lead someone to think it's a typo and speedy-merge it with "Rastafarians"... Not good!--Ramdrake 12:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then should it not be Category:Wikipedian pastafarians? Sam Blacketer 12:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As it's a user category, then yes. CA387 12:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As, it is a sub of Category:Wikipedians by religion, I used the same naming format as the rest of the sub-categories in this category. The naming style is consistent with all other entries in this category. "Wikipedian pastafarians" would use a different naming style.--Ramdrake 12:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Shouldn't this be in the Wikipedia:User categories for discussion then?--T. Anthony 12:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think so.--Ramdrake 12:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Definitely; move the discussion to WP:UCFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Pastafarian Wikipedians per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians by religion, and do not leave current name as a redirect, as current name has no indication it is a user category. VegaDark 19:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could we then have Flying Spaghetti Monsterist Wikipedians as a redirect? I would like to ensure nobody mistakes "Pastafarians" for a misspelled "Rastafarians"--Ramdrake 19:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then simply make that clear in the category introduction. - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User standards compliant

Category:User standards compliant - If kept, it should have a rename to clarify intent. - jc37 07:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to ? - jc37 07:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There are two things wrong with this category. The first is the name. It starts with "User", making it in the babel category system. This definitely does not need to be in this. Secondly, the category is for users who "believe in compliance with W3C standards". My question is, who cares? Believing that people should comply with W3C standards is not a defining characteristic of users, and we should not group such users together in a category, as it would be useless. What possible article could such users be expected to collaborate on? If kept, needs a rename, but there is no rename that would both be in the spirit of the category creation and be useful for collaboration. VegaDark 07:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
??? Shouldn't a lack of consensus over a long period of time default to keep? If not, relist yet again for continuity lest I copy and paste what I typed below in response to VegaDark. –Pomte 07:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not when a "no consensus" results in keeping a category which still obviously needs a rename at minimum, so I'd support relisting in such cases, or perhaps just being bold and changing it. VegaDark 19:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Right. No consensus = feel free to re-nominate. I just didn't want to relist again. Multiple relistings tend to lead to confusion. So instead I started semi-fresh with a renomination. - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY

Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY - Renomination. While all relevant discussion is welcome, I'd like the question of whether WP:IAR should be invoked for the existance of this category being named in variation to the rest of the Category:Wikipedians by interest sub-cats. Note that the related article I love New York was boldly moved, and the resulting discussion for moving it back resulted in "No consensus", so it currently resides at I love New York. - jc37 07:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No comment for now, - in the hopes of fostering discussion : ) - jc37 07:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in New York. I just realized we don't even need to categorize Wikipedians who "love" New York, under any name, so the naming discussion is moot (to me). What articles can we expect Wikipedians in Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY to collaborate on that we wouldn't expect Wikipedians in Category:Wikipedians interested in New York to collaborate on? I Love New York? I'd say each could be expected to collaborate on that, and even if not, one extra article is not enough to justify an entire subcategory. What added benefit would we have with this subcategory? None that I can see. VegaDark 07:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in New York per VegaDark because we're a dry conventional bunch. –Pomte 07:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
ROFL - speak for yourself : p - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep! The people want it. Those two at least. Why must we dictate to them? What policy reason, I ask you, is there to disturb this whimsical cat? -- Y not? 22:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in New York. That heart character is also hideous. —ptk✰fgs 22:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Does no harm; no reason to not let people use it. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per Pomte. The heart symbol is nearly impossible to reproduce on a standard keyboard without copy-and-paste. Please disregard the WP:HARMLESS and the WP:ILIKEIT keeps.--WaltCip 00:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:HARMLESS refers explicitly to articles. These user categories are not in the article space, not part of the encyclopedia, and are subject to entirely different standards. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fwarn recipients

Category:Fwarn recipients - Seems unnecessary, and I can't see how this makes anybody's job easier. I do a lot of vandalblocking, and I certainly never patrol this category. – Riana ^ऋ 03:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Have to agree with the nominator on this one. I don't see how the category could be of any use unless the category was automatically removed by a bot once 2 hours or so have passed, or once the user has been blocked. That way people could patrol the category for recent vandals who need to be blocked if they vandalize again. But, since that doesn't happen, this category is useless (and even if that did happen, the category would probably need a rename to be more clear). VegaDark 06:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April 22

Category:You forgot Poland

Category:You forgot Poland - If anyone has more insight to this than "Huh?", please enlighten me : ) - jc37 14:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral due to being uninformed, mostly. - jc37 14:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: See You forgot Poland. So is this a serious nomination or not? -- Netsnipe ► 16:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete joke, serves no practical purpose. YechielMan 19:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - My first reaction on coming across a number of maintenance categories has been "Huh?"; my second has frequently been "It is not worth the trouble to CfD this, I'll just leave it be". My brief glances into Category:Wikipedians and its subcategories suggest many such categories also lurk there. This one seems to me to be causing no more of a disturbance than any of those – and much less than some. On the other hand, as YechielMan points out it serves no practical purpose – Gurch 20:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Oop. I never intended this to be a serious thing, was only planning to pop it onto my userpage for a day or so, and then take it off. Didn't notice anybody had created a category page for it. Can't speak for the other category members, but I believe this has outlived the joke (and probably isn't worth any more attention, at that). – Luna Santin (talk) 04:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Funny, but the user category system is intended for serious use. VegaDark 06:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure? Would you care to explain the "serious use" of Category:Chaotic Good Wikipedians, Category:Wikipedians who play practical jokes, Category:Wikipedians who have been arrested, Category:Wikipedians with Erdős number 5, Category:Wikipedians concerned about their weight, Category:Wikipedians who believe in Santa, Category:Wikipedians and Potato Skins ... I could go on all day – Gurch 09:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. I'd support deletion of all those categories (except possibly Wikipedians who have been arrested, as a category identifying users who have unique knowledge of the arrest process and could possibly collaborate on related articles). VegaDark 19:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think the erdros one resulted in a keep (though the higher numbers were at risk, at the time). Santa isn't a "joke" category. And ask User:Mike Selnker about the chaotic good one : ) - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Does no harm, no reason to delete. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The harmless argument that you are providing in a variety of UCFDs is invalid, since it establishes precedence to create a wave of other redundant categories, which is not the purpose that UCFD serves.--WaltCip 00:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And what purpose does UCFD serve? -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April 21

Category:Wikipedians who collect airsickness bags

Does not aid in collaboration, and seems like a purely nonsense category. Bl a st ^{[improve me]} 21.04.07 0403 (UTC)

Delete as nom. Bl a st ^{[improve me]} 21.04.07 0403 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Was planning on nominating this myself. No potential for collaboration by categorizing users into this category. VegaDark 06:39, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. It's not a nonsense category, you would be surprised at the number of people who pursue this as a serious hobby and there are many websites devoted to it.[1],[2], [3],[4],[5],for just a few. However, it is debatable whether it is a category for collaboration. If there are acceptable categories for baseball or cigarette card collectors then it should be kept. Barfbagger 06:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Personally, I think the other "Wikipedians who collect" categories should be deleted as well. (there are only 4 or 5 other ones). And they should be converted to "interested in". In this case, however, I don't see how a category would help facilitate collaboration on more than a single article, so a category is not needed. VegaDark 07:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. I'd also support deleting other "Wikipedians who collect" categories. Pea ceNT 08:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete per Barfbagger's reasoning, but also per VegaDark.--WaltCip 17:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
BJAODN Barfbagger, you crack me up! YechielMan 06:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - And only because, amazingly enough, there are references for it, per Barfbagger. - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Does no harm, no reason to delete. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April 20

Category:Wikipedians who know that there IS NO EXIT

Does not help Wikipedia in any way to categorize users in to this category. Looks to have been created simply for the sake of associating it with the userbox. VegaDark 09:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 09:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Doesn't serve as a useful category.--WaltCip 10:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but I object if there are ever more than three people in the category. SchmuckyTheCat 18:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. --Core desat 20:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nonsense category. Naconkantari 20:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because there is an exit. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 04:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Yuanchosaan^Salutations! 06:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Does no harm, no reason to delete. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who crack boiled eggs on the rounded end

The following discussion is an archived debate regarding the category or categories above. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the category's talk page (if any). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Speedily deleted as intentional WP:POINT violation. Naconkantari 20:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC) Obviously not needed. No encyclopedic benefit to categorize users by this characteristic. Looks like it was created as a WP:POINT violation to me. VegaDark 06:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete as nominator. VegaDark 06:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep my category. You fail. This is a sub-category of Wikipedians by religion. Are you claiming my religion is invalid? (The state of Washington recognizes marriages I've performed as a religious leader, are you claiming Wikipedia know more about the validity of religion than a government entity who is required to make that distinction?) Or maybe I'm lying about what my religion is, are user categories required to be truthful? SchmuckyTheCat 06:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Please avoid WP:ILIKEIT arguments. Bl a st 20.04.07 1327 (UTC)

Anymoreso than "IDONTLIKEIT" nominations? SchmuckyTheCat 16:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment. Yes, user categories are required to be truthful, or at the very least, not patent nonsense. I can't believe that people are keeping this under the misguidance that it's "harmless."--WaltCip 16:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment. Is that any more nonsense than Wikipedians who believe in Santa?--Ramdrake 16:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - More so. DEFINITELY more so.--WaltCip 19:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How do you verify that user categories are truthful? Are you going to start asking everyone in Category:Jewish Wikipedians to prove it? How preposterous, it is impossible to verify truth in user categories. SchmuckyTheCat 18:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is obviously a reference to Gulliver's Travels but hardly a starting point for a collaboration. Barfbagger 06:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I think, just because I can, I'm going to stay neutral on this one. I have to admit thought, I am having several fits of irony thinking about those who butter their bread the butter side down : ) - jc37 07:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:POINT in practice.--WaltCip 10:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. What is the harm of having user categories that show a little originality and humour, rather than being just drably descriptive? Yes, Wikipedia is an encyclopedic project, but I see it as possibly counter-productive to remove everything (in this case categories) that show people actually have a sense of humour and like having fun while they're working on the project. Just my twopence' worth.--Ramdrake 12:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are organized projects of humor - see WP:RA. Go to those if you want to seek humor. Utterly unencyclopedic and random categories are deleted daily. In fact, unencyclopedic and random anything - see WP:TFD, WP:CFD, WP:AFD, WP:STFD, WP:MFD, etc - are deleted.--WaltCip 13:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to add that there's no way to collaborate about a specific topic using this UC, which is what the system is supposed to provide.--WaltCip 13:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Response to comment You're making my point, actually, that we are lacking a place for humour and orginality in Wikipedia except in well-organized projects. Reminds me of the ST:Voyager episode where Seven of Nine had neatly organized one hour of "Fun" into the daily routine of ex-Borg children, oblivious to the fact that "fun" can hardly be planned. Here, if you must, may I then suggest we make a supercategory of Humorous Categories of Wikipedians and that this UC be moved to a subcategory of these? Or is it just that Wikpedia is too serious to entertain a degree of self-derision? Why must every category be utilitarian? I'd hate to think it was this bad.--Ramdrake 13:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This may be a better proposal, if not a total sandbox.--WaltCip 13:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per Ramdrake. Ex-Nintendo Employee 15:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - you can't have a WP:DISRUPT violation unless there's actual disruption going on. Milto LOL pia 20:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because it does not aid in collaboration. This is an encyclopedia gosh darn it, not some coffee clutch. —Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 20:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not helpful to the encyclopedia, and appears to be a WP:DISRUPT creation (the fact that the creator of the category declared that the nominator "fails" is all the evidence needed for that, really). --Core desat 20:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page, if any, or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

April 19

Category:Wikipedians who use GNU/Linux

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Linux.

"GNU/Linux" is a disputed alternate name for the operating system that was named Linux by the people who started the project. This category was originally merged from "Category:Linux users" and "Category:GNU/Linux users". The two should never have been merged under this title, which seems to endorse a particular side in this dispute. AlistairMcMillan 01:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
AlistairMcMillan needs a history lesson: The GNU project was started in 1983. Linux is name for one kernel most frequently used by the GNU system and it's a popular moniker taken by distributions of this system. In any case, GNU was the name given to the GNU system by the people who started it. There are other GNU system variants such as NexentaOS which do not use the Linux kernel. NexentaOS is almost totally indistinguishable from an Ubuntu desktop, yet there is no Linux at all inside it. This is because the user experience is overwhelmingly driven by the GNU system, while the kernel plays a background role. Debian GNU/kfreebsd is likewise another functional GNU system which does not use Linux and yet works like a regular debian system. Yes there are arguments about using "Linux" as a short hand name of the system, but few informed people would argue that "GNU/Linux" is not a more accurate and complete name. The opposition is largely built around it being a mouthful, and somewhat confusing to new people.

Naming argument aside, this category under the name "Wikipedians who use GNU/Linux" was used by many userboxes since their inception. AlistairMcMillian went around agressively changing these userboxes [6], long after the Category:Wikipedians who use Linux was deleted via CFD. --Gmaxwell 01:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The userboxes used this category because the others had been deleted. And the "Category:Wikipedians who use Linux" wasn't deleted via CFD, it was created as a redirect and then deleted for being empty after another user "aggressively" changed all the userboxes to point to "Category:Wikipedians who use GNU/Linux".

About the name: why do you keep referring to "NexentaOS" when the true name can only be "GNU/NexentaOS"? Linux is named after the guy who started it, Linus Torvalds. When asked whether the operating system should be referred to as "GNU/Linux" he said "calling Linux in general GNU/Linux I think is just ridiculous". See GNU/Linux naming controversy for more. AlistairMcMillan 02:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also when you say "the user experience is overwhelmingly driven by the GNU system", don't you mean the X Windows/Gnome/KDE system? I think they have quite a bit to do with the user experience being the user interfaces that most people interact with. Perhaps by your reasoning the category should be renamed "Category:Wikipedians who use X Windows/Gnome/KDE/Linux"? AlistairMcMillan 02:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What? No, that's an utter non sequitur. Straw men aren't helping to prove your "point". Nobody calls it "X Windows/Gnome/KDE/Linux". --Cyde Weys 02:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose rename, "GNU/Linux" is the correct name for the combination of GNU (the entire operating system minus the kernel) plus Linux (the kernel). You aren't going to get very far at all using just "Linux" without the rest of the operating system. Look around at all of the essential software on any modern Linux system; you'll find that most of it is GNU. --Cyde Weys 02:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry what do you mean by "the entire operating system"? Is the XWindows software from the GNU project? Is Samba from the GNU project? How about Apache or Gnome or KDE or Firefox or a hundred other packages that are standard parts of the Linux? AlistairMcMillan 02:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do you know what an operating system is? Everything you just mentioned are not part of the operating system. Apache is a webserver, Gnome/KDE are graphical windowing environments, and Firefox is a web browser. None are essential for getting the basic system working (and indeed, I'm running two GNU/Linux servers right now that lack everything you just mentioned except for Apache). --Cyde Weys 15:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's debatable what constitutes the operating system. I agree with Cyde here, except as far as I'm concerned, GNOME or KDE (or another similar desktop environment) are part of the operating system, as I wouldn't use a system that didn't have one. However, AlistairMcMillan is implying GNOME isn't part of GNU, but it is - see the GNOME 'about' page. Guyjohnston 16:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a simple fact that right now the GNU/Linux article is a redirect and the operating system article is titled Linux. Pretending there is no controversy surrounding the "GNU/Linux" name is just simply dishonest. I'm frankly stunned that established editors are suggesting that "GNU/Linux" is the definitive name. AlistairMcMillan 19:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose rename and don't merge. UCFD isn't the proper place to determine the proper name. Users who feel passionately about one name or the other can put themselves where they want to be. SchmuckyTheCat 02:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is only one category right now. I tried to separate into two, but Gmaxwell reverted. AlistairMcMillan 02:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then I suppose the one that is a redirect should be removed as a redirect so users can deal with it as their preference. SchmuckyTheCat 03:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with this. I agree that 'GNU/Linux' is the correct name for the whole operating system, and I use that name myself, but I think another category should be created for all the people who choose to call it 'Linux'. Guyjohnston 16:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any chance of building consensus around having both then? I would much prefer having both to renaming, but that option seems to be strongly opposed. AlistairMcMillan 19:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Rename - per GNU/Linux naming controversy. - jc37 07:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the article about the operating system is at Linux and GNU/Linux is a redirect. AlistairMcMillan 09:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom (common name for the OS, and used by our article) or to something else, or split into several categories. "GNU/Linux" is a controversial minority point of view term, and usage of it should be avoided in a neutral encyclopedia. Prolog 12:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who like hot food

No encyclopedic benefit, food category which we have historically deleted. VegaDark 10:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 10:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - if all no encyclopedic benefit categories were to be deleted there would be very little left. Wikipedians who drive cars?, Wikipedians who are martial artists? Wikipedians interested in breweries? Barfbagger 14:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Food categories are deleted based on precedent. And strike the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS vote.--WaltCip 20:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the wishes of 550 users who've put themselves in it. SchmuckyTheCat 22:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Above user lists self in various other redundant and uninformative user categories, which should also be deleted per precedent.--WaltCip 23:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What does my user page have to do with ignoring the wishes of 550 other users? SchmuckyTheCat 00:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Invalid keep reasoning. Every category brought to UCFD will have users in the category, or else it would have been speedyable. Furthermore, I'd bet 95+% of the users in the category are in it due to a userbox. VegaDark 01:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Who cares how they got there? They chose to be there. SchmuckyTheCat 02:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Still invalid keep reasoning. Many categories before have been deleted that consisted of over thousands of users.--WaltCip 10:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep There are plenty of articles for these users to collaborate on. –Pomte 23:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"hot food" could mean spicy food or warm food, it is unclear. Either way, either of those would be too broad for collaboration IMO, and at minimum should be reworded. It doesn't help Wikipedia at all to know "who likes" certian food. VegaDark 01:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename - I removed my original argument as un-Wikipedian. However, strike nom's orginal vote per WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC. Agree that hot is ambiguous. Propose rename to Wkipedian's interested in spicy food. This goes beyond a mere single food type preference but covers a range that many users have an interest in.Barfbagger 05:49, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Unencyclopedic" is a reasonable reason to delete a user category, as the main focus for user categories are to help build an encyclopedia. We don't need a user category to violate a policy to delete it, we just need it to not help Wikipedia to delete it. VegaDark 06:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And just to add, I'd consider your proposed Category:Wikipedians interested in spicy food infinitely better than the current name, however I still say delete as being too broad for collaboration. Also "spicy" is subjective, what is spicy to some may not be spicy to others. VegaDark 06:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is recommended that "Unencyclopedic" is not an argument to be used for justification. The subjectivity of "spicy" is immaterial as most definitions invloving human activity have a window of inclusiveness. As for the category being too broad this is also not an argument. People have general interests on a topic without having to narrowly define it and defining it too rigidly excludes many others. Admittedly some food topics are too narrow - individual foodstuffs or brands for example - but I contend that an interest in spicy food per se is sufficiently compartmentalised to warrant a category. Barfbagger 07:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Delete - Presumably an all-inclusive category. (Doesn't everyone cook their food? : ) - If kept, it needs a rename to clarify that "spicy" is meant. - jc37 07:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have already proposed a rename. Barfbagger 07:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't support the idea of a rename : ) - jc37 20:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename if necessary to Wikipedians who like spicy food, although I find it already obvious that "hot" in this case does not refer to food temperature (never met yet someone who doesn't like a warm meal).--Ramdrake 12:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no potential for encyclopedic collaboration. Picaroon 03:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Does no harm; no reason to delete. User categories aren't used for encyclopedic collaboration anyway. That's what Wikiprojects are for. As far as I can tell, user categories are just for fun, so why tell people what they can and can't do unless they're being divisive/inflammatory. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April 17

Category:Wikipedians of Greek ancestry

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The result of the debate was no consensus, I recommend a group nom for all "ancestry" categories if nominated in the future. VegaDark 21:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with parent category, Category:Greek Wikipedians. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-12 05:18Z

Speedy Merge because of redundancy. bibliomaniac 1 5 05:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There are several "ancestry" categories and the argument has previously been made that having Greek ancestry is not the same as being Greek. That being said, however, I don't see the benefit that any "ancestry" categories would provide and I would support deleting them all, reason being that just because someone is of a specific ancestry does not mean they can reasonably be expected to collaborate on topics relating to their ancestry. VegaDark 07:57, 12 April 2007
Comment - I disagree with this notion. Wikipedia is a place where any type of information can be found and if someone wants to find someone with Greek ancestry for any reason, Wiki should be the place they look. It is pointless to delete such a category.Knea2006 1:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

"Wikipedia is a place where any type of information can be found" - what you're leaving out is: "...in an article." (And these days, "notability" may be a question, as well.) - In any case, your rationale is contrary to: WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site. - jc37 10:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These users possess a sufficiently distinct attribute for them to hold a varying take on Greek-related articles. –Pomte 17:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because someone is of a particular ancestry does not imply that they would be more able to contribute to such articles, IMO. You can choose your interests, but you can't choose your ancestry. VegaDark 01:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, VegaDark 01:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep you can have Greek heritage without being Greek. SchmuckyTheCat 02:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above user. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 19:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians Taking Exams

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The result of the debate was upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who are not currently active. VegaDark 01:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who are not currently active, their is no need for a separate category just for exams. Tellyaddict^Talk 16:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge As nominator.Tellyaddict^Talk 16:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just delete it. The amount of time someone is inactive for due to taking an exam is so short that it isn't even worth the user adding themselves to this category. VegaDark 20:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge. Speak for yourself, almighty VegaDark. Some people spend weeks straight on exams, with exam periods every other month. –Pomte 21:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge per Tellyaddict and Pomte. bibliomaniac 1 5 22:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This gives more specificity than the indefinite "not currently active". - jc37 07:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Upmerge − this is overspecificity, jc37. We have an article Category:Wikipedian Colorado Avalanche fans, but it would be useless to create Category:Wikipedians Joe Sakic fans − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 04:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, per nom. Useless cat. A W 14:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge Needless specifics. Pea ceNT 08:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Trekkie

No indication it is a Wikipedian category, so it needs a rename at minimum, but I don't see how it would be much different than the already existing Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek, so I'd say merge. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek as nominator. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek per nom. (Staying out of the trekkie/trekker debate, as its unneeded for categorisation purposes.) - jc37 09:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek per nom. –Pomte 13:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek per nom. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) ^(Talk) 17:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek per nom. Barfbagger 19:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who like the Mirror universe

Unnecessary overcategorization. Are we prepared to have a "who likes" category for every aspect of the Star Trek universe? VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek as nominator. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose - This is a setting in several episodes of different series, and novels. It's a whole other universe, and not that far different than saying it's a mini-series within the Star Trek milieu. - jc37 09:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that it's the setting for several episodes, but the same could be said for Kronos, Vulcan, Section 31, Bajor, etc. etc., and a category for each would be allowable if the criteria for a star trek category is "a setting in several episodes of different series, and novels". VegaDark 09:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, upmerge as overcategorisation. Especially if the categories for fans of each series merge as proposed below, this one would clearly have to go too; but even if not, the case for keeping it is too weak. - Fayenatic london (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Unnecessary" is subjective. Users have decided they like this category by putting themselves in it. There's no reason to ignore that. SchmuckyTheCat 00:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "unnecessary" is subjective. That's why we are on UCFD to determine if there is a consensus that agrees with me. In either case, "People have put themselves in the category" is the worst UCFD reasoning I have seen to date. VegaDark 01:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"overcategorization" is a reason not to have mainspace categories. These are userspace categories. This discussion goes beyond any prescription in WP:USER to make any decision whatsoever. SchmuckyTheCat 02:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my, the main star trek category proposed as a merge has more than 700 users, way too full. If anything this entire area is undercategorized. SchmuckyTheCat 01:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United Federation of Planets Wikipedians

Another case of unnecessary overcategorization per above nom. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upmerge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek as nominator. VegaDark 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek per nom. - jc37 09:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek per nom. -- wrp103 (Bill Pringle) ^(Talk) 17:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Unnecessary" is subjective. Users have decided they like this category by putting themselves in it. There's no reason to ignore that. SchmuckyTheCat 00:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that "unnecessary" is subjective. That's why we are on UCFD to determine if there is a consensus that agrees with me. In either case, "People have put themselves in the category" is the worst UCFD reasoning I have seen to date. VegaDark 01:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Further, "overcategorization" is a reason not to have mainspace categories. These are userspace categories. This discussion goes beyond any prescription in WP:USER to make any decision whatsoever. SchmuckyTheCat 02:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even More W b W renaming (Minor cases)

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The result of the debate was Speedy Rename per caps. - jc37 18:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Case Issues

Speedy Rename as nom. --NThurston 15:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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More W b W renaming

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The following cases are the same as discussed in #W b W renaming below:

*Category:WikiProject Munich Members -> Category:WikiProject Munich members Speedy Merge as nom. --NThurston 15:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw as cat has been deleted. --NThurston 17:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Rename as nom. --NThurston 14:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename all per nom for now, but hopefully we will come to a consensus on a new convention for these soon. VegaDark 00:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 16

Category:Wikipedians who think América is a better team than yours

Category:Wikipedians who are fans of Club América

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The result of the debate was Speedy Merge per creator request. - jc37 06:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who think América is a better team than yours

Category:Wikipedians who are fans of Club América

The current convention of Category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams would seem to be "Wikipedian <team> fans", so Merge both to: Category:Wikipedian Club América fans. (Presuming the accurate name of the team is Club América.) Note: The first cat is currently a "redirect" (but not a category redirect) to the second cat. - jc37 06:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge both as nominator. - jc37 06:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge both as "creator" of the categories. I am sorry I didn't follow the guidelines, I am still learning. - Hari Seldon 06:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologise. You seem to have meant for the best. I'm just glad that you were spared Rouge admin interaction : ) - jc37 06:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedian game programmers

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedian video game developers. This allows for the profession concerns, while removing the problematic word "programmer". - jc37 10:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Category:Wikipedian game programmers to Category:Wikipedians interested in game development - All but one of the category's members is already in the latter category. I don't think that there is a need to make a distinction between the categories in this case. (See also the nomination to rename the latter cat below.) - jc37 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - as nominator. - jc37 00:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is what separates the fans and idle dreamers from the professionals, who presumably have a different grasp on article content. As an analogy, think about merging Wikipedian physicists to Wikipedians interested in physics. Rename to Category:Wikipedian video game programmers. –Pomte 06:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedian programmers, but unlike the last time this category existed, make it a subcategory of Category:Wikipedians by profession, and don't associate it with any of the programming language userboxes. I think there is an important distinction between people who actually program and people simply interested in game development, but I don't think we need a category for each type of software a programmer could be working on (games, in this case). VegaDark 00:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't the category last deleted for being too general? People who add themselves to this probably won't know it's meant only for professional programmers, which is hard enough to distinguish (do you have to work for a well-known programming company, can you start your own programming company, do you just need to get paid for programming for someone, etc). Game programming is a good enough distinction, I think, since there are people interested in it. –Pomte 00:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the last one was renamed to Category:Wikipedians by programming language (and depopulated) since that's what it essentially was last time. I think the category could exist as a "by profession" type category, though. Perhaps you are right that it would be too general, but I think "game" programmers could be too specific. Do we want a category for "accounting software" programmers? "word processing software" programmers? VegaDark 00:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the problem with that from a Wikipedia standpoint: It's all-inclusive. - Speaking as one who removed most if not all of the programmer categories from innumerable userboxes, one such was WikiText. Depending on how one defines it, even simply knowing to add the 4 tildes makes you a programmer. Not to mention all the wannabe xml, java script, and visual basic programmers out there. Unless we want to permantently watchdog the cat, we'll likely have confusion, disruption, and simply just upset people. I think we're better off not creating such a cat. - jc37 02:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, that's a good point, I was thinking more along the lines that the category would be used for people who program as their job. Too be honest I'm not sure what to do about this cat then, perhaps merging is a better option. VegaDark 02:45, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Trek DS9 Wikipedians

Category:Trek ENT Wikipedians

Category:Trek NF Wikipedians

Category:Trek TAS Wikipedians

Category:Trek TNG Wikipedians

Category:Trek TOS Wikipedians

Category:Trek VOY Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Rename all per the adjusted nomination. - jc37 10:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Trek DS9 Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

Rename Category:Trek ENT Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Enterprise

Rename Category:Trek NF Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: New Frontier

Rename Category:Trek TAS Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: The Animated Series

Rename Category:Trek TNG Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: The Next Generation

Rename Category:Trek TOS Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: The Original Series

Rename Category:Trek VOY Wikipedians to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Voyager

Rename as nominator. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 18:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Any renaming done to this category should apply to the other subcategories in Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek as well. –Pomte 19:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, you're right. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 21:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Rename Category:Trek DS9 Wikipedians to Wikipedians who like Star Trek: Deep Space Nine per Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and conventions of Category:Wikipedians interested in science fiction and Category:Wikipedians interested in television. And I too would like to see the rest of the subcats nominated. : ) - jc37 23:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all now that I know more about Star Trek than I've ever wanted to. –Pomte 06:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all as nominated. I'll also throw out the idea of upmerging all to Category:Wikipedians who like Star Trek. I've seen every episode of TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT, and I don't particularly think that a category for each series is all that necessary. VegaDark 08:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all - per adjusted nomination. - jc37 09:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, upmerge all, BUT at the same time someone who understands parsing must amend User:UBX/Star_Trek_series, as that page contains the code which puts people with various userboxes into the above categories. This way, people can still choose a userbox for a specific series if they like, but all will go in the one category. - Fayenatic london (talk) 12:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The categories are sufficiently populated for me to oppose upmerging. The parent is the least useful of the bunch due to its size, and could be downmerged if not for the fact that someone could like the entire series. –Pomte 13:45, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 15

Category:Miscellaneous Wikipedian categories

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Miscellaneous Wikipedian categories - How is this different than Category:Wikipedians? - jc37 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 18:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians from the suburbs

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians from the suburbs - a nice large sprawling vague category : ) - jc37 17:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 17:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as unintentionally hilarious. –Pomte 17:47, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and create subcategories I think maybe we should have different categories for different suburbs. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 18:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete and explodify which isn't a real word but what I mean is I suggest splitting it up into many new categories. Well, if you think about it, this category could include over half a million wikipedians, if they all added this userbox. I mean, who is going to have time to read over half a million links? Therefore, it is rather meaningless, but if we at least divide it into many subcategories, it should correct this problem. So, I suggest deleting and/or splitting into subcategories, as this should be a better alternative. Thanks. – A stroHur ricane 00 1^{(Talk+Contribs+Ubx)(+sign here+How's my editing?)} 22:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians by location serves that function as specific as cities and certain subsections of cities (e.g. East London, England below). We don't need to know whether a Wikipedian lives downtown or in the suburbs. –Pomte 23:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who play video games

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The result of the debate was Rename Category:Wikipedians who play video games to Category:Wikipedians by video game, and depopulate. - jc37 09:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Wikipedians who play video games to Category:Wikipedians by video game and depopulate as "all-inclusive". - jc37 12:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nominator. - jc37 12:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support "play" merger. --WaltCip 15:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and depopulate per nom. –Pomte 17:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and depopulate per nom. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as nom. bibliomaniac 1 5 22:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians interested in video games

Category:Wikipedians interested in game development

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The result of the debate was Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in game development to Category:Wikipedians interested in video game development. - jc37 09:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~Rename~~ Category:Wikipedians interested in video games ~~to Category:Wikipedians interested in video game development~~ - (Rename withdrawn, depopulate as suggested below, instead.)

Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in game development to Category:Wikipedians interested in video game development

Rename both as nominator. - The goal is to better clarify the purpose of each category. - jc37 12:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy oppose "interested" merger, The "interested" merge narrows down the category into a subcategory, which should be avoided. --WaltCip 15:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Depopulate the first and rename the second. "Interested in video games" is all-inclusive; the users in this category aren't necessarily interested in development, and there's already Category:Wikipedians interested in game development. –Pomte 17:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The latter should probably be merged (based on the intent of the populating userbox), since there is a difference between game development and video game development. Adding it to this nom. - jc37 17:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The intent is clear in User:Scepia/game dev, and you created the category 8 months later. I have updated my stance in bold. –Pomte 19:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm withdrawing the first rename. Several of the sub-cats (as you accurately noted) don't have anything to do with VG development. - jc37 00:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename the second per nom, unsure about depopulating the first at this time. VegaDark 00:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Healthy Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in herbalism - jc37 09:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Healthy Wikipedians - "All-inclusive" category by its name. The introduction is rather vague, since it says: "Wikipedians who prefer natural health remedies to conventional methods, as well as other participants in the Canadian Wikipedians' notice board." - But the transcluding userbox says: "This user prefers to use herbal remedies." - This shouldn't be renamed, but deleted, due to it's confusing inclusion criteria. - jc37 01:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 01:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The user has no record of ever participating at the Canadian Wikipedians' notice board. However, this is a "support/interested in" category, so rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in herbalism. –Pomte 01:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, it is presumed everyone is healthy by default. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians with a virus

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians with a virus - Too vague in naming, causing it to be all-inclusive. The intention of the category seems to be to be inclusive of those with Hepatitis-C and HIV-positive. (See also: Hepatitis C#Co-infection with HIV.) Hepatitus C is treatable, though with a possibly lengthy treatment duration (up to 48 weeks of treatment). Just as we shouldn't have Category:Wikipedians with tuberculosis (see Tuberculosis treatment), or even Category:Wikipedians with a broken leg (see Bone fracture), we probably shouldn't have a Hepatitus C cat either. - jc37 01:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 01:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - TMI.--WaltCip 11:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What does TMI mean? - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 18:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a guess in TMI. –Pomte 19:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Three Mile Island? - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 21:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, "a virus" can be anything from HIV to the flu. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and create subcategories for certain viruses. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 18:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

XFD is not a vote. Please provide reason for the keep.--WaltCip 20:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No no no, that'd be Too Much Information! –Pomte 20:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians by collaboration

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia collaboration - jc37 09:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename Category:Wikipedians by collaboration to Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia collaboration - More accurate and precise. - jc37 00:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nominator. - jc37 00:40, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose implied; overcomplication. –Pomte 17:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm undecided on this for now, but if it should be renamed I think Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia collaboration is a little better than the nomination's proposed rename. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch! : ) - Changing Wikipedian to Wikipedia per your suggestion. - jc37 08:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per (modified) nom. After looking through the subcategories I think the rename would be somewhat beneficial. "By collaboration" by itself doesn't necessarily imply Wikipedia colalboration. Someone may think the category is for categories of what Wikipedians are collaborating on in real life. VegaDark 00:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who use dual monitor configurations

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who use dual monitor configurations - I think this falls under Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Non-defining or trivial characteristic. Note: This category had hundreds of members. I was bold, and removed it from the associated userbox, and that left 4 members. - jc37 00:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as nominator. - jc37 00:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Perhaps the dual monitors make editing more efficient, but that'd be another cat. –Pomte 17:29, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. VegaDark 08:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who use Google

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in Google. Userhood is of no encyclopedic value. See numerous discussions below. Many other subcats of W by website need such renames and its hatnote (what some questionably call a "naming convention") needs to be changed, but this is the flagship example, so fix it first. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Further rationale: Super-duper-mega overcat, and useless; with the exception of a tiny handful of Google-hating cranks, every single Wikipedian qualifies for this category as currently named, to one degree or another, and I'd bet that 98%+ of them qualify to a strong degree. Quite a smaller number qualify to an encyclopedically-valuable level of being intersted in Google, in the sense of being willing to work on articles about Google. I can't, honestly, think of a stronger case for a (non-speedy, e.g. typo fix) rename in UCfD history. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - ATM, I think it could be fair to say that it's an "all-inclusive" category. (It's even listed as an option in Wikipedia's search engine when the result is page is not found!) - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jc, more or less an all-inclusive category and can't really benefit Wikipedia by categorizing users in to this. VegaDark 09:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To be fair, the userbox says "This user uses Google as a primary search engine." Still, too inclusive and not of much use. –Pomte 13:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Not sure I see the relevance; the text of a userbox can change at any time, and UCfD isn't about deleting/keeping/renaming/merging/rewording userboxes (see top of page). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just mean the current category name doesn't reflect its intended scope (see the text in the category itself). This is one disadvantage of following convention in every case. –Pomte 15:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or the scope changed out from under the category, which is often more likely the case; it's much easier to change a userbox (or rescope a cat. with a new UB) than to change the category. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, one of the things that is welcome in weighing the "intent" of a category is what is said in the userbox. (I often check the diff of what a userbox "says/said" when the category was added (which is often the first edit). One of our goals should be to retain the intent of a category if keeping it. If we rename and change the intent of a category, suddenly Wikipedians may find themselves in a category in which they may not wish to be included in. We have had issues with that in the past. (For example, when the astrological symbol categories were merged to the "interested in astrology" categories.) Also, remember that when we rename ategories, that means "someone" (often one of the admins active on this page) has to go and change all the user[ages of those in the category, and this may possibly include inactive Wikipedians (who are thus not around to correct an possible error of inclusion). So we have to be very careful with renaming/merging (moreso even than deletion, in my opinion). That said, I agree that changing the text of a userbox can be useful at times. It all depends on the situation. Hope this helps clarify : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who use YTMND

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The result of the debate was No consensus' - jc37 08:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in YTMND, per just about every other discussion here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:24, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The current name reflects the other subcats of Category:Wikipedians by website. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: That's a non-rationale. If I used my astounding powers of mesmerism to convince 100 people to jump off a bridge, would you do it too just to go along? >;-) J. Random Editor's hatnote on a category page does not make a consensus-based actual naming convention just because no one bothers to object until a huge mess has been made as a result of it. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a feeling that I'll be repeating this as I scroll down the page, but while I understand (and welcome) your exhuberance, and your interest in this POV (which is a valid opinion, whether I agree or disagree), you are straying rather close to personal attacks. Just a friendly request to "tone it down" a bit, please : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Jc, but I'd probably support deleting the lot of categories in Category:Wikipedians by website in a group nom. VegaDark 09:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Someone please do it then; the salvageable ones need to be "Wikipedians interested in X", or they're just POV fannish woo-hoo!-ing. I'm in the midst of stubsorting and WPP tagging and properly categorizing several hundred articles (see my contribs lately if you don't believe me :-). Can someone other than me please do the group-noms? — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:30, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two thoughts: The first is that, personally, arguing the semantical difference between being interested in a topic and liking a topic is a rather subjective fine line. The second is that it's likely not worth the work involved to change them. And third (albeit, perhaps a bit more subjective), I don't see a reason to disallow variation in category naming. Otherwise every subcategory of Category:Wikipedians would follow the "interested in" convention, and I just don't believe that there is consensus for that. - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who like The Phantom Menace

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The result of the debate was No consensus' - jc37 08:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in Star Wars: The Phantom Menace; cf. numerous other debates here about like/fans of/who think X is great/etc. — SMcCandlish [ (nominator)talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The current name reflects the other subcats of Category:Wikipedians interested in film (among others, including: Category:Wikipedians interested in television). - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Again, this is not really a defensible rationale; see above at the YTMND entry. Adhering to divisive category names simply because they match other divisive category names is backwards; what is needed here is leadership by example in getting rid of the divisiveness (and fanvertising, and unencyclopedism/non-collaborativeness, and...) PS: Please interpret my ardor about this matter as a wikipolitical commentary on how UCfD is running (in sharp contrast to CfD and SfD, which don't tolerate this kind of stuff at all), not a personal matter in any way.— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's an easily defensible rationale, per my comments above at Category:Wikipedians who use YTMND. (I also disagree with your characterisation of WP:CFD, but I think that's outside the purposes of this discussion : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Jc, but I'd probably support deleting any categories on individual films in Category:Wikipedians interested in film in a group nom (We don't want a category for every film ever made, do we?). VegaDark 09:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As above under the YTMND entry, I'd love to, but I'm waaay swamped right now. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, if you limited it to individual films (as you mention above), and not film series, I think I would support such a group nom. - jc37 09:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I think film series could have enough articles associated with the category to justify it, but individual film categories, for the most part, would only have 1 or perhaps 2 articles associated with it, which is too few to justify a category IMO. VegaDark 10:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also agreed in principle (though, again, if the wording were changed to the "interested in" structure we insist upon more generally; movie/comic/whatever fans don't get a magic hall-pass.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 14

Category:Wikipedians by membership of other websites

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The result of the debate was speedy merge per creator request. VegaDark 23:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with Category:Wikipedians by website, and should be merged there. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy merge - I created the nominated category, and it was simply a mistake on my part that I didn't notice the other one.—greenrd 23:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who know 'x' digits of pi

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unencyclopedic category, no need to categorize users by this. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, else we'll soon have Category:Wikipedians who can say the alphabet backwards in under 10 seconds and Category:Wikipedians who can solve the Rubik's Cube with their toes (in case you think I'm making the last one up, I've seen it done on national television; the paraplegic who did it beat the then-reigning world RC champ. Trivia of the day...) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - I happen to know the number three, and likely so do nearly all other Wikipedians, Thus making this a nearly "all-inclusive" category. (Not to mention vague.) It's merely for a userbox in which you can enter a number, which, of course, isn't reflected in the category name. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and only because the users are not sorted by x. –Pomte 13:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Were it not for the ridiculousness of the category, I'd suggest a rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in mathematics. But this just plain doesn't work.--WaltCip 20:29, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who enjoy False Colour Representations

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who enjoy false-color astronomy representations - jc37 08:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this is for people who enjoy this. My question is, what benefit do we have in categorizing users by this characteristic? At minimum needs a rename for proper capitalization. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. And then some. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - See also: Template:User FalseColour. It's apparently about astronomy. If kept, it should be renamed to include "astronomy". It's possible that this cat may be useful to those who are involved in Images on Wikipedia. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Potential to spawn more collaboration on astronomy images than the general Category:Wikipedians interested in astronomy. –Pomte 17:35, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If "keep", do you oppose renaming to Category:Wikipedians who enjoy false-color astronomy representations? (Per False-color, and the apparent intent of the populating userbox.) - jc37 18:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I would support that rename. The spelling of 'colour' can go either way. –Pomte 18:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who enjoy thinking in four dimensions

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No encyclopedic benefit to categorize users by what dimension they "enjoy thinking" in. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with extreme prejudice (and I say this as someone very familiar with tesseracts). I like thinking about hot girls, too, but we don't need a Wikipedians who enjoy thinking about hotties category either. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fourth dimension is the target article, per the associated userbox. See the introduction of the article to see why this term is vague. (And besides those reasons, it could refer to "thinking outside the box", as well.) If kept, it should at least be renamed. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I can't think of any collaborative benefit from this.--WaltCip 15:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who have written an AP Exam

Judging by the userbox this category is associated with, it is for people who have taken the exam, not written it, in which case it has no encyclopedic benefit. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There are a lot of articles in Category:Advanced Placement for them to write on after becoming familiar with the exams. –Pomte 17:38, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who think Blade Runner is one of the best sci-fi films ever

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians who like Blade Runner. - jc37 08:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously needs a rename to Category:Wikipedians who like Blade Runner per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians interested in film. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. bibliomaniac 1 5 23:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Category:Wikipedians interested in Blade Runner; stop this "like" and "fans of" junk before it spreads any further. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS: The fact that some random editor put up an idea for how to name subcats of Category:Wikipedians interested in film does not make a "naming convention", and even less does it make the "like" phrasing a good idea. The very parent category itself uses "interested in", and for a reason. All of this like/fan/hate junk is divisive and will lead to nothing but an endless stream of time-wasting UCfDs, as people see the "who like X" category and (if they don't like X) reflexively create the "who don't like X" counter-catetory. Just put a stop to this now. That entire category and every one like it need to be mass UCfD'd for "interested in" renames, and their "convention" hatnotes changed if they are actually recommending "like" phrasing. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedians who like Blade Runner, per current convention. Also, just because the name of a parent cat uses a format, doesn't mean the subcats should also, else we might have "Wikipedians by..." as a convention for quite a few subcats, for no apparent reason. Consistancy has to do with the members of the same cat, or similar cats, not with what a parent cat is named. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't buy that argument. No one here has suggested that the parentcat's name can dictate the name of the subcats, nor that subcats should be named as per the parentcat if the results would be nonsensical (Category:Wikipedians by Google). Please. Let's not be silly! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you did : ) - "The very parent category itself uses "interested in", and for a reason." - And "nonsensical" is a rather subjective and perjorative term. I'd rather assume good faith of those who determined the previous consensus, rather than just dismissing them. Consensus can change, but please let's determine that consensus before deciding that others were/are being "silly". - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who are fans of APC

Judging by the userbox associated with this category, it is for people who are fans of the band A Perfect Circle. Needs to be renamed to Category:Wikipedians who listen to A Perfect Circle per naming conventions at Category:Wikipedians by musician. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename instead to Category:Wikipedians interested in A Perfect Circle — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedians who listen to A Perfect Circle, per current convention. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Trying hard not to make this sound like a personal jab, but how exactly does your repeated position on these matters differ from "resist fixing that which is clearly broken, simply because the status quo, even if dreadful, is better than change, even if a vast improvement"? I honestly cannot tell them apart, so I must be missing something because you seem smart/rational/a good editor/etc. <genuinely confused> — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Replied in the nominations above. If you would like a further discussion on this, perhaps we should take it to the talk page so that it would be less disruptive to these discussions? - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Those who actually listen to the music are more likely to edit the articles contructively than those who are merely interested in it, which includes poseurs who like to think they like the kind of music without actually knowing anything about it and haters who have nothing but bad and more biased things to say. –Pomte 03:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who are proud to be mathies

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in mathematics. - jc37 08:12, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially redundant with Category:Wikipedian mathematicians, and should be merged there. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. rationale; very redundant. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge ~~per nom~~ to Category:Wikipedians interested in mathematics. See also this. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in mathematics. The creator is from University of Waterloo, and I am certain he means someone studying math as an interest, not necessary professionally. The spirit of the userbox reflects this. –Pomte 13:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch! : ) - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. VegaDark 00:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per jc37.--WaltCip 11:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians studying Chemical Engineering

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in chemical engineering - jc37 08:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only category of its kind. Do we want to have a "studying" category for every interest? VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in chemical engineering as nominator. VegaDark 22:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per VegaDark. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in chemical engineering. I don't like the idea of having to define the subjective demarcation line between "interest" and "study". - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per above. General comment: "Interested in" is way too inclusive and doesn't imply any kind of work on those articles. On the other hand, "studying" implies the user is more likely to access and improve those articles at some point. –Pomte 13:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Getting rid of "interested in" is way bigger a change than my proposal to do away with "like" and "support" and so on. What would you replace it with, that wouldn't raise the same "study"-for-every-conceivable-interest issue that VegaDark brought up? I don't have any particular investment in "interested in"; it's simply what we've been using so far (when not making bad-idea exceptions left and right for movies and websites and stuff). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For conventionally academic subjects, I think "studying" works better. For other fields that people don't generally do academic studies on, the "play", "listen" and "use" type names are more reasonable. Once people graduate, they can rid themselves of this category and stick to "interested in". What I'm proposing though is so trivial and most people won't be aware of it, so forget it. –Pomte 17:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who hate América with religious fervor

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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete G10. Even if the category was renamed to include "club" before america, to clarify, it's still a "hate" category. Note: Categories which vilify the opponents of some fan's preferred team violate the category rules at Wikipedia:Userboxes#Category inclusion. And the userbox does as well, (and violates T1 at the same time), and will be deleted along with this category. In a nutshell: Please feel free to use a userbox which shows interest/support of your favoured team, but not one about those you hate. - jc37 09:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd definitely speedy this if it was refering to the country, but its only referring to a soccer team. It is still probably speedyable as a G10, though, and is certainly unencyclopedic. VegaDark 22:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/speedy delete as nominator. VegaDark 22:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I don't understand why this category is considered for deletion. Hari Seldon 03:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as creator of the category. This category does not go against any of the naming conventions. Of course "hating" is a strong undesired verb, but a justification for the verb can be found in the Userbox's talk page. As for the term being "unencyclopedic", I believe that it helps to know the bias of an editor. This is not more "unencyclopedic" than stating that the user "likes the good, the bad, and the ugly". Hari Seldon 03:15, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above ed. seems to be the only user.DGG 05:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The userbox has been recently created. I expect it to catch on.

How about a rename? Hari Seldon 08:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, 'not' category, which are normally deleted. -- Jelly Soup 07:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY

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The result of the debate was No consensus - I typically don't like citing WP:ILIKEIT, because I believe that often having a preference is not only allowed in a discussion, but welcome. However, that presumes that both (or more) choices are each valid. The problem is that while I ♥ NY may be a reason to WP:IAR as a variant to the rest of the categories in Category:Wikipedians by interest, or Category:Wikipedians by location, I love New York is not. So if this nomination was closed as "merge to Category:Wikipedians who love New York", then Category:Wikipedians who love New York would and should be immediately renominated for merger/deletion. So in this case, WP:ILIKEIT would be a valid reason to ignore merge requests. (Incidentally, the latter cat was created - by me - due to navigation concerns.) All that said, I would like consensus about this. So I'll renominate, with a question of whether this should exist as an WP:IAR alternative to "...interested in...", and of course, any other concerns. I think that closing and renominating is better in this case than relisting the discussion again. - jc37 06:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted for continued discussion. - jc37 12:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is a spoof of Category:Wikipedians who love New York - the proper one without the heart in is supposed to be empty and all of them in Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY but its all mixed up, because of the deletion of the category with the heart in would make this less confusing.Telly addict 14:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As nominator.Telly addict 14:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Request for clarification - I don't understand what the nom intends to do at all.--WaltCip 18:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Wikipedians who love New York, then delete - I can't fathom how this survived the last nom. Having the heart in the category name makes this needlessley difficult to search for. VegaDark 18:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hence the redirect. The same way you'd search for I ♥ Huckabees. –Pomte 02:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and delete, and in the event of no consensus, create a redirect.--WaltCip 03:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Please see the previous nomination: Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/December 2006#Category:Wikipedians who ♥ NY, and also Talk:I Love New York#Requested move - back to "I (heart) NY" - jc37 09:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Take note of the WP policy - WP:CCC.--WaltCip 16:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutey, but communication and information of prior discussions, one would think, should be useful for others to make an informed opinion : ) - jc37 11:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Category:Wikipedians who love New York and then delete; since the bulk of the pages that are tagged are in the "love" as opposed to the "♥" category, it seems rather logical to merge the "♥" to "love". Kyra_~(talk) 03:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Merge and delete → We should disallow "ASCII-art" and similars. If we allow this one, there won't be no end. Snowolf ^(talk) _CON ^COI - 10:03, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The arguments above about being difficult to search for simply are out of the bounds of this discussion. We have MANY characters which may be considered "special" characters in article names. Just look below your edit box to see quite a few. That is one of the reasons that redirects exist. The discussion here should be whether or not the heart symbol is the "accurate" name. We often consider the article name as relevant in relation to the category name. Do any of the commenters above have any references to show that the heart symbol is inappropriate? - jc37 11:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"We often consider the article name as relevant in relation to the category name" - Agreed. The article is titled I Love New York, the heart is a redirect. VegaDark 08:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the last discussion at that article resulted in a 3:4 no consensus to move back a WP:BOLD move by an editor. I think I would doubt that the m:wrong version makes for good precedent to this discussion, however : ) - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Changing it to "Love" destroys the spirit of the logo/slogan, and it could arbitrarily be renamed to "Heart" as well. –Pomte 11:06, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and delete for reasons already stated. The fact that there's actually a discussion at all about whether it maybe should be "love" or "heart" instead of the UTF-8 symbol strikes me as missing the underlying point. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm wondering if the "point" is collaboration on the specific article, and on other topics of New York City? And since the NYC slogan uses the heart symbol, aren't we supposed to use the "most common usage" if possible, per policy and guidelines? That it's a nonstandard character means that we should have a redirect in place for searching, but the "name" should reflect actual usage outside the encyclopedia. We wikipedians should not be creating a neologistic phrase just because we have a preference. - jc37 23:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If there is a split, let the users decide which they prefer. SchmuckyTheCat 16:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm afraid that's not how a UCFD (or any XFD) works.--WaltCip 23:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Says who? SchmuckyTheCat 13:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User standards compliant

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The result of the debate was No consensus - Renominating rather than relisting again. - jc37 07:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted for continued discussion. - jc37 12:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User standards compliant - Even in reading the associated article, I'm confused : ) - I think it's a "agree with the current convention/standard/law" opinion, but I'm not sure. In any case it would seem to be a supporter/critic cat. Whatever the outcome, it needs a rename. - jc37 08:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - Further information would be welcome. - jc37 08:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The actual relevance of this, Its hard to undertand what the category is all about due to the lack of info there now.Telly addict 10:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. VegaDark 23:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep and file under Category:Wikipedian programmers. It encourages collaboration on the numerous articles in Category:W3C standards, and sort of implies that these editors are rigourous with syntax on Wikipedia as well. Not exactly controversial, most people simply neglect or are unaware of W3C standards, as evidenced above. Suggest rename to Category:User W3C. The category isn't populated because the template isn't categorized or listed at WP:UBX, which I will do if this is kept. –Pomte 02:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, they're not necessarily programmers. W3C compliance has to do, of course, with stuff like browsers and coding. IE is bad in that regard, while Firefox claims to be the most compliant. Etc etc. I wonder if there's a good parent cat for this. Xiner (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I had neglected non-programmers who might come to support W3C compliance to improve their browsing experience. Category:Wikipedians interested in technology may be a better parent cat. –Pomte 05:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See also Category:Wikipedians by politics. - jc37 10:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Pomte. I admit that I don't know much about W3C, but it seems to encourage collaboration on a legitimate computer-related topic, so why not? Rookwood^{Dept. of Mysteries} 17:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If kept, this needs to be renamed to Category:Wikipedians interested in the World Wide Web Consortium. We certainly don't need to have this category in the naming convetions of the babel system, and we certainly don't need to categorize users who support compying with W3C standards. VegaDark 19:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reasonable compromise, and I support that rename, though it does mean something different. –Pomte 11:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And it also strengthens my leaning towards deletion, since "interested in" is not the intent of the category. If kept/renamed, it lies somewhere between Category:Wikipedians by philosophy and Category:Wikipedians by technology. - jc37 12:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who use the usertalk template

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need to categorize users based on what templates they use, and we have previously deleted categories similar to this. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. If the pages transcluding it are of interest, use whatlinkshere to find them. –Pomte 10:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: In light of the tools that I can use to find the usage, I vote Delete. ~Step trip 12:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 21:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "What links here" exists for a reason. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - agreeing with prior consensus to not categorise by template usage, but instead (for example) by content of such a template. - jc37 09:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who is oldest of his/her siblings.

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 08:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

it does not help Wikipedia in any way to categorize Wikipedians by this characteristic. There are also several grammatical errors in the name. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom unless there's a study correlating oldest children with quality of contributions. Easily fixable grammatical errors are irrelevant to the intended purpose; I don't know why nominations have to point these out. –Pomte 10:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed it out so that in case anyone thinks we should keep the category, they can suggest a rename instead of keeping, as a "keep" would result in keeping the incorrect category name. VegaDark 10:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom. While perhaps this may show knowledge/interest in such articles as Birth order, this is just too specific. If no consensus to delete, I agree that it really could use a grammatical rename : ) - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
De-e-elee-ee-eet. Ist der ũberOverCat. (Kind of like "Wikipedians who use thus-and-such website", but perhaps that's a different matter, to some...) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 12:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per Vegadark. ~Step trip 02:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who attend QASMT

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The result of the debate was speedy rename per original creator supporting rename below. VegaDark 21:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be renamed to Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Queensland Academy for Science, Mathematics and Technology per established naming conventions. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename/speedy rename as nominator. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Per several previous discussions, including a talk page discussion, I think we have consensus that (until/unless the convention is changed in a group nom) the individual school cats may be speedily renamed per consensus. - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but I still like to have a second admin's opinion for anything we consider speedyable that isn't explicitly stated in WP:CSD, even if that means an immediate close as speedy after nominating. VegaDark 11:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. As an aside, this would seem to be similar to "uncontroversial requested moves". - jc37 12:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. –Pomte 10:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename....what was I thinking... ~ Giggy! ^Talk_Contribs 05:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename: To a more generalized category. ~Step trip 23:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who use the Latin alphabet

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The result of the debate was Delete - jc37 07:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All-inclusive category, so it is not useful to categorize users in to. It is presumed that everyone uses this by default, for the minute few who might not use the Latin alphabet on the English Wikipedia, they can use Category:User en-0. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. If an earlier smaller Latin alphabet is meant, vse the catezory user la instead. –Pomte 10:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - While I disagree with the nominator's final comment about en-0 being the same (there is a difference between written and spoken, obviously), I do think that this is "close enough" to being all-inclusive, since this is the english Wikipedia. (Essentially for the same reasons that Category:User en-0 should be "kept".) - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jc37. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia:Admin-Candidate

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted per original author request. VegaDark 11:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant with Category:Wikipedia administrator hopefuls, and should be merged there. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/speedy merge as nominator. VegaDark 09:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. This is for the user's proposal, though it's not at a stage where this misleading category is needed. –Pomte 10:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
you r right,did not see the other one existet. removed the page in the category and marked it for speedy deletion. many thanks for noticing! --ThurnerRupert 10:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is a proposed way to nominate cantidates, and until it has consensus, the category shouldn't exist (and should merely be commented out in the template for "future reference"). - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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April 13

Category:Wikipedians that support Leicester Tigers to Category:Wikipedians who support the Leicester Tigers

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Wikipedian Leicester Tigers fans - jc37 07:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename As nominator. Telly addict 10:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedian Leicester Tigers fans per convention. –Pomte 13:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per Pomte. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)}^|^HISTORY 18:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a minute. It's been a while since I've cruised over here, but if this is a convention that we've adopted then it's wrong, in my opinion. This is a US-centric renaming, and if it's become a defacto policy, then we need to consider changing the policy. It is common practice in British English to refer to names of sports clubs with no article. An example would be, "Reds play Wolves today." In American English, we would say, "the Reds play the Wolves today." This is the most common usage, ask any Brit. If we rename a category regarding a British team with a title based in American usage, then we're just propagating US-centrism on Wikipedia. Our policy is to use British spellings in articles pertaining to Britain, I see no reason why this should be different for user categories. A Train^talk 19:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, but the nomination actually goes against convention, which is why I proposed the conventional rename without the "support" and without the "the". The subcategories of Category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams avoid the "the" altogether. –Pomte 19:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well taken. A Train^talk 19:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedian Leicester Tigers fans. That's our style for this type of category.--Mike Selinker 22:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedian Leicester Tigers fans per convention, if you want to change the common convention try a group nom. VegaDark 07:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedian Leicester Tigers fans per previous consensus for the convention, and, of course, per above. - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in the Leicester Tigers; no more double-standards, please! All it will do is lead to more "fans of" and "supporters of" and "worshipers of" nonsense categories. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedian Leicester Tigers fans for consistency. --Dweller 09:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who support F.C. Copenhagen

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Moved from CfD. —Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-12 13:28Z

Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians who support F.C. Copenhagen to Category:Wikipedian F.C. Copenhagen fans

Nominator's Rationale: Rename, Consistency with other entries in Category:Wikipedian football (soccer) team fans. Dweller 13:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. –Pomte 13:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. VegaDark 07:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename differently: Category:Wikipedians interested in F.C. Copenhagen — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That would just make the cat name inconsistent in a different way with the other entries in the higher category, rendering the change pointless. See Category:Wikipedian football (soccer) team fans. --Dweller 12:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note that none of the other teams in Category:Danish football clubs have periods in their initials. This holds and doesn't hold for the other countries' categories. Take it to CFD? –Pomte 02:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of the 72 sub-cats, 66 follow the "Wikipidean xxxx fans" format. If there is a consensus of support for this nomination, I'll nominate the remaining 5 in one go. --Dweller 15:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom, and do nom the other five because they need to be made consistent as well. The Rambling Man 18:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedians who are Farkers to Category:Wikipedians who use Farker

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Not adhering to the Category Naming conventions for categories. Telly addict 12:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename As nominator. Telly addict 12:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Fark. :) –Pomte 17:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as per Pomte. ;) Frankly, I like it better the way it is but Tellyaddict is right. -- Seed 2.0 06:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as nonencyclopedic ~~hooey~~, sorry, I'm not allowed to state the obvious... nonencyclopedic cruft. If we allow, ahem, stuff like this, pretty soon we're going to have Category:Wikipedians who use Smith's brand lotion when they masturbate and Category:Wikipedians who use John Q. Doe's shareware Windows XP "Start" bar clock widget. Just nip this stuff in the bud while we still have the chance. If this must be kept for some reason, rename per Pomte, not Tellyaddict. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Or if all else fails, rename to Category:Wikipedians interested in Fark; userhood as a categorizer is of no intrinsic encylcopedia-building value. Updated: 08:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fark.com has an article, and those other things don't. Applying this standard, it will only lead to cruft we already have, not all conceivable cruft. Category:Wikipedians by website has an even higher standard: "only for highly noteworthy and widely-visited sites." This subjective claim is likely to be established by consensus, and I think Fark fits it. Fark.com even has 2 other articles directly related to it to allow for collaboration. –Pomte 13:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply comment: Again (I've brought this up before here) "X has an article" is not a valid rationale for keeping a user category. At all. Bat Boy and gringo have articles too, yet Category:Wikipedians who believe in Bat Boy and Category:Wikipedians who love the word "gringo" are never going to be acceptable categories here. There is no relationship between the WP-utility (and therefore acceptability, among other criteria) of user categories and "but...topic X has an article about it!" PS: Just to be clear, I think all of WPians by Web should be deleted as spam and fancruft; the actual "collaboration" being generated by this stuff is simply not in evidence, and WikiProjects exist for a reason (i.e. facillitating said collaboration). No project? No need for a user cat. Project? No need for a user cat; use the WikiProject's members/participants cat. Simple. The real purpose of these website-worship categories is MySpace-ish userbox goofing-off. I'm sure I'd get resistance on the front of getting rid of them all at once, so for now I am simply resisting the addition of yet more spam and fancruft. PPS: Since you didn't like my original tongue-in-cheek lotion and Start bar clock examples, substitue KY Jelly and Virtual Pool 64. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I take it, then, that you'd also be willing to apply the same logic to all other similar categories, like for instance users of Slashdot, Something Awful and Flickr, all of which are major websites with a large following. I'm generally with you as far as avoiding fancruft goes and we certainly don't need a category for 'Wikipedians who read John Doe's blog' but Fark is one of the major news aggregators out there, has a large userbase and is well-known and, frankly, I think you're being just a bit extreme here (no offense). Also, regarding your general point regarding usefulness or, rather lack thereof, of these categories: yes, they may not be as useful as projects dedicated to a particular subject but with the limited number of major sites, they're hardly a big problem in terms of resource usage (ie. they're cheap and just like that extra, somewhat unnecessary redirect, are just nice to have). Not everything has to be judged in terms of utility, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise we'd have to get rid of 95% of all userboxes and a whole lot of other content. WP isn't just an encyclopedia, it's also a community and I don't think you can separate those two aspects. -- Seed 2.0 17:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply comment: You suss me out pretty correctly. The article about Slashdot is pretty good. It's not going to get any better because of the existence of a category which appears to exist for no real purpose other than to declare "allegience" or fandom. Just because Slashdot has a useless cruft category doesn't mean we need to encourage the creation of more of them (I forget the WP:-something shortcut to the appropriate page about that rationale, but there is one). Show me Wikipedia:WikiProject Slashdot and Category:WikiProject Slashdot members and I would have no objection; that would speak of organized, actual collaboration not wishful-thinking, "maybe someday through random happenstance", imaginary collaboration which is masking "dude, this website rawks!" fannish promotion that serves no legitimate encyclopedic or encyclopedia-building purpose. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Fark.com per name of article including the .com. If you want categories like this deleted you should try a group nom, I'd likely support deletion but not in single noms like this, since that creates the possibilty of a double standard if some wikipedian by website categories are kept and others are deleted. VegaDark 07:29, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Largely addressed elsewhere above (short version: I don't have time for a group nom right now), but I want to add that I hope is clear that I think most of this categories are salvageable if renamed to "Wikipedians interested in X" form, including this one. I've never meant to imply that I think Fark is like the blog of Jennie Q. Johnson, high school sophomore. It's the partisanship that is troubling me, no the notability of the subject! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:User wikimarkup enthusiast

Category:User wiki

Category:User wiki lang

Category:User wiki-3

Category:User wiki lang-3

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The result of the debate was Merge unnumbered cats to Category:User Wikitext, and numberered versions to Category:Wikitext-x, where "x" is the babel number. - jc37 07:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Category:User wikimarkup enthusiast and Category:User wiki and Category:User wiki lang. Target name to be determined by consensus. Associated with this is Category:User wiki-3 and Category:User wiki lang-3. Target name determined by the above. - jc37 13:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to ?, per my comments above, as nominator. - jc37 13:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was not, and am not suggesting that the babel breakdown be all merged to a single category. The third level merely has two categories of different names, so whatever the main category is named, the rest of the babel cats should match. - jc37 10:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all to Category:User Wikitext per Wikitext. VegaDark 23:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:User wikitext would be all-inclusive as most editors use it at some point. The levels make sense. –Pomte 03:48, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- With levels there would still have to be a parent category. VegaDark 08:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, VegaDark 08:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To emphasize my position, merge to Category:User wikitext and Category:User wikitext-3 (lowercase as shown in the article). The people in Category:User wikimarkup enthusiast will have to go in the root. –Pomte 11:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The article has Wikitext in uppercase, not lowercase. VegaDark 20:14, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Pomte's more recent suggestion. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 08:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 Funny userbox, but the category is not helpful to Wikipedia in any way.  There would be no reason to go through this category looking for users that I can think of. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' as nominator. [[User:VegaDark|VegaDark]] 02:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' as creator of the category. If humorous categories aren't generally approved of then i don't mind if we get rid of it, its only me and a random sockpuppet who are actually in the category at the moment anyway. [[User:Orgone|Orgone]] 03:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
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