Talk:The Eras Tour

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that The Eras Tour, set for 2023, will be Taylor Swift's first concert tour since the Reputation Stadium Tour in 2018? Source: Willman, Chris (November 1, 2022). "Taylor Swift Announces 2023 'Eras Tour' of U.S. Stadiums". Variety. Retrieved November 1, 2022.
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Converted from a redirect by Ronherry (talk). Nominated by Unlimitedlead (talk) at 16:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC).

• That's a nice hook, though I'd like to hear a better one if somebody has anything else to suggest. ℛonherry☘ 17:31, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Of course! New hook suggestions are welcome, though there isn't much to say since this tour was only announced yesterday. Unlimitedlead (talk) 19:57, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Working Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:51, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Place a citation at the end of the table title and this is GTG. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:58, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Peacemaker67: Hi, what exactly do you mean by "place a citation at the end of the table title"? Unlimitedlead (talk) 11:43, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

I mean the table is currently uncited, but if it comes from one source, you could place a footnote at the end of the table headings and that would cover the whole table. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:11, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: Drive by addition. I've added some refs to the table above. Cowlibob (talk) 22:10, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Awesome. GTG, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:38, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

@Cowlibob and Peacemaker67: given that Taylor Swift hooks tend to struggle at DYK due to a lack of readership interest, and that we've run a good many this month already, I wonder if there's a better hook to be found? It might be that there's not much good to say yet about a future tour... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Whoops! Meant to ping Unlimitedlead. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 11:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I agree. If it's okay with everyone, I'd like to withdraw this nomination. On the plus side, this means I have an extra QPQ to use! Unlimitedlead (talk) 14:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Unlimitedlead: Okay, works for me :) Unfortunately, we'll have to keep that QPQ, it's one per nomination. But if there's something I can do for you, don't hesitate to reach out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Surprise song guitar and piano

The table for surprise songs just has the acoustic guitar not piano songs. Shouldn’t it have both?(23.123.210.20 (talk) 05:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC))

it should but someone for whatever won’t stop changing it so that only 1 of the surprise songs is shown and that tim mcgraw wasn’t a surprise song 73.230.17.27 (talk) 06:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

If you are going to place an argument regarding an edit, please do so with reliable sources, and not based on what you find the "most logical" about your favorite music artist. The set list represents the first show only, and is derived from a multitude of reliable sources that list the set list of the opening concert that way. ℛonherry☘ 06:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ronherry I agree with IPs. Even though the set list may only be representative of the March 17 show, there is still no evidence that Act IX has anything to do with Taylor Swift (album) at all. She performed one song from the album at two of the three shows that have already happened, and at one of the three she didn't perform any at all. Plus, if the setlist is representative of the March 17 show, "Mirrorball" should replace Surprise song as it was performed that night. No evidence that "Mirrorball" is a permanent song = No evidence that "Tim McGraw" is a permanent song, they should be treated the same. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 06:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

But that is not how the multitude of sources listed the set list of the first Glendale show. A majority of them mentioned the "surprise song" slot, followed by "Tim McGraw". "evidence that Mirrorball is a permanent song = No evidence that Tim McGraw is a permanent song" is short sighted because it is not that simple; this is a grey area. In sources (of Glendale March 17), mirrorball's slot has the distinction of a "surprise" song unlike Tim McGraw. There is a clear difference. Also, you might show some sources listing Tim McGraw as a surprise song, but that is because of the second show, not the first show. Billboard is one of the reliable music sources, but not the supreme one. Rolling Stone, Variety, NYT, WSJ etc list the 36th setlist track as the "surprise song" and the 37th track as "Tim McGraw" and that is why I also believe so. ℛonherry☘ 06:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Here are some sources that show the full set list but do not mention a surprise song, after Tim McGraw, instead all three simply name both Tim McGraw and Mirrorball as songs performed. In the Variety article, they differentiate the two songs as being acoustic, but still no mention to only one being a surprise song. This along with the fact that at the last three shows there have been two surprise songs each, suggests that Tim McGraw was in fact a surprise song, and people misunderstood, due to there not being a dedicated spot for her Debut album.

As such the section for her debut album, should be retitled Acoustic set or or Surprise songs, or something along those lines, and include a surprise guitar song and surprise piano song, since that is what happens at the show.

https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-eras-tour-setlist-1235552488/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/music/2023/03/18/taylor-swift-set-list-eras-tour/11499422002/

https://pitchfork.com/news/heres-what-happened-at-taylor-swifts-eras-tour-opener-setlist-and-more/ Getawaycar13 (talk) 06:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

here is another article that lays out each album and section of the concert, and includes a wildcard section for the two different acoustic songs each night. https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/music/2023/03/24/taylor-swift-eras-tour-setlist-las-vegas/70043580007/ Getawaycar13 (talk) 06:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Doggy54321 edited the section to include the second suprise songs in the table, after which I rephrased the note alongside Tim McGraw to mention how it was replaced with another suprise song moving forward. I think this version of the section is the best one in terms of clarity.ℛonherry☘ 07:35, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I have to agree with everyone else's arguments that "Tim McGraw" should be listed as a surprise song rather than as a part of the set list, with the section listed as "acoustic surprise songs". Quite a bit of sources state that the two songs are surprise songs and don't indicate the section as the debut album section nor note that "Tim McGraw" is a paart of the set list. Including the links provided by Getawaycar13:

• https://www.capitalfm.com/features/taylor-swift-eras-tour-setlist/ (which specifically notates that the section is "The Surprise Acoustic Set")
• https://www.billboard.com/lists/taylor-swift-eras-tour-las-vegas-concert-review-surprises/love-for-lana-del-rey/

Ronherry, can you provide the updated sources that were published after the first show (so the sources can take into account the future shows and be written based on non-outdated information) that state Tim McGraw is a part of the tour's set list?

As stated previously by Doggy54321, there is no evidence that Act IX has anything to do with the album Taylor Swift at all, and such a distinction places an unwarranted importance on the first show's surprise songs. Mcyossi26 (talk) 04:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

My point was that the sources published after the first show should not count as they refer to the shows after the first show, whereas the set list of every tour article in Wikipedia follows only the first show of a tour. Nevertheless, since several editors feel strongly about this, I think act XI can be renamed as Acoustic set. ℛonherry☘ 06:42, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Act IX being renamed to "Acoustic Set". No evidence is present on Act IX being involved with the first album, and like it says in the setlist section: it "may not represent all shows on the tour" as the shows have setlist changes on each show. HorrorLover555 (talk) 06:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

"Surprise songs" is a better title for the ninth act since ATW10MV was also an acoustic performance but part of the Red act. ℛonherry☘ 13:33, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal with Impact of the Eras Tour

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I propose merging Impact of the Eras Tour to the Eras Tour article, from which the former was split. I know the size is big but this whole article reads like a WP:MISC comprised of mostly lightweight journalist material (the whole "Related phenomena" section is an example of possible WP:FANCRUFT in terms of both subject and writing style). A better way to go is to cut down whatever feels remotely related to an encyclopedia entry. We don't need a new article for this one, we need more selective and concise writing. Ippantekina (talk) 02:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I do not think this article is a case of WP:MISC as several perennial reliable sources (such as The Guardian, Pollstar, The WSJ, Billboard) have covered the tour's impact holistically. The prose in the "Related phenomena" section (do not confused the topic of the section with the tone of the writing style; much of the section is quite literally about the fans from the perspective of critics) are all perfectly sourced and use neutral language and attributions. The tour is not even half way through and the international legs have not even begun yet, but the topic has already garnered more-than-enough independent coverage, size is large enough, and information is presented in a summary-style neutral tone, as per the requirements put forth by WP:SPLIT. Only more year-end, tour-end statistics, data and cultural commentary (which are not related to the music/shows of the Eras Tour, but about its effects on other industries) are going to appear henceforth, which the tour article cannot keep on accommodating despite heavy tweaking. It was time for a split for the welfare and better maintenance of both the articles.

ℛonherry☘ 06:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Ronherry: I acknowledge that publications have covered the topic extensively but per WP:GNG "significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article". This discussion requires more critical input whether this topic actually deserve a standalone article beyond the fact that it has been covered in publications.. also taking into consideration that Wikipedia is not a newspaper that chronicles each-and-every piece of news/journalism. I can also start similar articles such as "Impact of 1989 (Taylor Swift album)" or "Impact of Midnights" supposing I can gather enough material to create a decent-length article. Also billing this article as "Swiftmania" in the {{Taylor Swift}} template is confusing. How are these two equivalent? Ippantekina (talk) 06:16, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

This discussion is about the merger proposal of an article, not the Taylor Swift template, which would be a topic of a different discussion (and one where I would not object to change the term in the template). Please stick to the current topic of discussion. Impacts of Midnights and 1989 have clearly not received the same independent notability as this tour, as there are only very little perennial sources that have published comprehensive articles specifically about "Impact of [insert album]". That is why they're currently sections and not articles. And once again, let's not be whatabout-ist here. The topic of discussion is the notability of the Eras Tour's impact as an article. Coming to that, yes, Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Majority citations of the article uses perennial music/business/culture magazines that have analysed/critiqued the tour's impact on economies, businesses, music industry, fashion, and culture. You've placed your argument on why they should be merged in your OP, and I've made mine on why they shouldn't be merged in my first response. If I say anything more, it would be repeating what I've already stated, and I do not want to go in circles. Impact of the Eras Tour passes WP:SPLIT and WP:GNG. ℛonherry☘ 07:46, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I agree with all of the reasons above. RegularboyA (talk) 10:08, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ronherry's reply. ItsMarkWbu (talk) 15:14, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with Ronherry. HorrorLover555 (talk) 15:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I also agree with Ronherry. OfTheUsername (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose – I agree with Ronherry. — VAUGHAN J. (TALK) 10:31, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose Swift and her empire are just way too big not too have more broken down articles like this. As a person who is interested in learning about her it was much easier for me to access this information than when it was all in one big article. I also think her tour is not even halfway done yet, it is going to get so much press and have so many notable moments, it’s too much for one article. Elttaruuu (talk) 01:10, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Oppose, I agree with Ronherry. AverageLogic (talk) 19:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, per Ronherry. This tour has clearly had a much bigger impact that the other tours mentioned. Mukedits (talk) 23:39, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

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Images

If these happen to be helpful, here are two images from Lumen Field, Seattle:

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---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Thank you for uploading them! ℛonherry☘ 15:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

No problem! Please feel free to place the images in more appropriate categories at Wikimedia Commons. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Hey Another Believer, thanks for the two photos. The first one is potentially useful, but I'm not sure if the second one suffices for free use. Do you think the second one satisfies De minimis? Ippantekina (talk) 06:18, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

(shrug) I dunno, I'll let others decide. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:30, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Incidents

I'm a big fan of Taylor Swift aside from Coldplay but I don't see how her disagreement with a security guard and the fact she swallowed a bug during a concert is worthy of inclusion in the article. The earthquake is, but that was already included on Impact of the Eras Tour months ago. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 18:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Same here, I don't think it's notable. Shuipzv3 (talk) 12:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Agree. It's definitely not notable. HorrorLover555 (talk) 14:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. I think the entire 'Incidents' section should be in the Impact of the Eras Tour article, if the incidents are indeed deemed notable. Adding in that looking at the actual video, I don't think the bracelet incident is in the same ballpark of artists getting struck by objects/getting drinks splashed on them. I would argue it only received coverage because these incidents had been in the news recently. amisnaru (talk) 16:09, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

The bracelet incident is mentioned in the article Concert abuse in the 2020s. It may be possible to incorporate that into this or the Impact article, but personally I think it's going to be a bit shoehorned. Not everything has to be connected. Shuipzv3 (talk) 16:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I removed the whole thing. It's clearly WP:FANCRUFT and WP:TRIVIA. We did not have to have a discussion on this. ℛonherry☘ 11:12, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

"The" part of the name?

Is the definite article part of the name, as suggested by the title? The current title includes it, which, as suggested by the official website and the advertising, is taken as part of the name and included in the title per WP:THE. But, the body of the article does not include it as part of the proper noun, and uses lowercase "the Eras Tour" (sentence case). On top of that, we have Impact of the Eras Tour, which indicates it is not part of the name. Anyone have any insight? One of these pages likely needs a page move, just not sure which one. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Point of note, The 1989 World Tour seems to do the same thing: includes "the" in the title, and then uses sentence caps for "the" throughout the article. 〜 Askarion ✉ 13:15, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

That's how it works. "The" is indeed part of the title, but it's a tour name, not an album title. Just like the prose in The Beatles, the "the" is not capitalized within the prose. There are no moves required. ℛonherry☘ 13:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

typo in the "music releases" section

"On November 3, 2023, Hits Double Daily reportad that a live album of the tour has been in talks."

it'd fix it myself, but i don't have extended confirmed protection as of now. best for someone who does to fix it. Vancouvercalico (talk) 14:54, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done. 〜 Askarion ✉ 16:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

2023 in the United States collage submission

This article was proposed as a potential choice for the 2023 in the United States collage. You are free to participate in the collage choice discussion here: Talk:2023 in the United States#Collage submissions. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2023

Under the surprise songs listing for November 11, there is an extra "and" before "Is It Over Now?" 20person (talk) 04:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

 Already done The 'and' has been removed in an earlier edit. Liu1126 (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

References

In this article there are eight records that Swift broke and are not supported by references. Please change the templates {{Citation needed}} to the references for Sweden, Scotland, England, Ireland and Netherlands, which can be accessed through the country names mentioned respectively. I couldn't find references for records broken in France, Spain and Vancouver. Also, please add the records broken at Anfield and Veltinz-Arena with this citations: 1 and 2. Thanks. Santi (talk) 22:29, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Concert death

There are reports that a fan died at the most recent show in Rio de Janeiro (apparently due to a heatwave in the country); there is one report out from the Brazilian newspaper Folha de S.Paulo here. I assume that more concrete proof won't come until the morning. Should this be added to the article (and if so, where?) wizzito | say hello! 06:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Lots more sources available now here, here, here, here and here. Taylor also released a statement. – Peterpie123rww (talk) 11:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Should also include that 1,000 fans fainted at the concert stated here RayScript (talk) 12:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

It should be added to the article. Also should mention Swift's tribute to the fan. --195.99.227.0 (talk) 12:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I was looking at the article and think that it definitely is notable to be added, also just confused on where, possibly a new section? QueerFilmNerd^talk 18:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)