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A long-term abuse case exists at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/WorldCreaterFighter.

09 August 2022

– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.

Suspected sockpuppets

• Ghizz Archus (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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In a previous case Ghizz Archus was not linked to WorldCreaterFighter due to technical differences and insufficient behavioral evidence. I will now offer new behavioral as well as circumstantial evidence to consider:

Behavioral evidence For several months, Ghizz Archus has been adding the same content at Uyghurs that WorldCreaterFighter (Vamlos) had added two years ago:

• [1]
• [2]

Ghizz Archus has even defended this content using the same exact arguments Vamlos made, two years ago:

• [3]
• [4]

Ghizz Archus shows a keen interest in the Y-chromosome haplogroup D-M55, commonly found in Japanese and Ainu people. This interest, in an obscure Japanese haplogroup, is also shared with multiple WorldCreaterFighter alts, including MomotaniYY and AsadalEditor.

• [5] MomotaniYY makes concerned edit regarding the frequency of haplogroup D-M55 in Japan
• [6] AsadalEditor again makes very specific changes to the paragraphs about haplogroup D-M55 at the Ainu people article
• [7] GhizzArchus makes very detailed edits about haplogroup D-M55 at the Ainu people article

In April of 2022, Tommyranger, a blocked sockpuppet of WorldCreaterFighter, made multiple requests for people to add a study about Uyghurs from Hotan, emphasizing their "60% West Eurasian, 40% East Asian" and "as much as 84%" West Eurasian ancestry:

• [8]

Sure enough, one month later, Ghizz Archus added that same study to History of Xinjiang:

• [9]

In fact, Tommyranger had added this study to that article, previously:

• [10]

Circumstantial evidence Ghizz Archus recently added a Google Books citation to an article:

• [11]

The citation url is google.co.uk, in spite of the fact that Ghizz Archus claims to be Turkish, as seen on his user page. WorldCreaterFighter almost always uses .co.uk links and is often IP-linked to the United Kingdom.

In a successful SPI case filed by Austronesier, they pointed out that WorldCreaterFighter's socks can be linked by "bare URL with common geolocation" as shown by their Google Books citations:

• [12]

This is not the only time Ghizz Archus has done this. Here I will quote edits from Ghizz Archus and WorldCreaterFighter, with emphasis added:

• [13]

"The dominant type of the Yenesy Kyrgyz" was Mongoloid <ref>Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources, Issues 1-3 [...] http://books.google.co.uk"

• [14]

"The dominant racial type of the Yenisey "Kyrgyz" was East Asian but with a indisputable admixture of West Eurasian elements in their composition. [...] books.google.co.uk"

The Google geolocation in the URL should be an honest signal of where the user really is. It's unlikely Ghizz Archus would get a British Google URL if he was outside the UK, even if using a VPN. So this should prove useful when looking at Ghizz Archus's technical details. If Ghizz Archus isn't using British IPs, it would be suspicious.

Thank you for your time. - Hunan201p (talk) 03:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 03:02, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I am adding new behavioral evidence since RoySmith has indicated that the checkuser failed.

Note that Ghizz Archus and WorldCreaterFighter have a verbal commonality in their usage of this statement: "don't call this original research".

[15] Ghizz Archus says: "Don't call this original research. Unless there is absolute evidence that early Ashina looked like a "Hu" but even Chinese people from Qing dynasty described Uyghurs as looking like "Hu" people and Uyghurs are clearly mixed race. Basically the historian would have us thinking in last 2 centuries it was ruled by a predominant Chinese ruling class, even the Western Turkic Khaganate expansion to the west in Central Asia and East Europe, were done by a ruling class of Chinese genetically/physically."

• [16] DerekHistorian: "Do not tell me is this original original research. Many anthropologist and geneticist argued for a Mongoloid origin for Finns"

And yet another verbal commonality is observed in the tendency to threaten to 'use someone's own source against them':

• [17] DerekHistorian, editing while logged out: "... Do I need to use your own source against you again"
• [18] Ghizz Archus: ... "HERE. Using the 2017 study against you."

Note the upper-case and boldface above from Ghizz Archus. Trademark WorldCreaterFighter style in the comment section.

Consider that WorldCreaterFighter has boasted about having IPs in the following countries:

• [19] SatoshiKondo (confirmed sock): "the user behind worldcreaterfigher lives in england london. While we have IPs from Austria, Germany, Turkey, Iran, Singapure, Japan, S.Korea, Australia and Canada." - Hunan201p (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Update: Recently, Ghizz Archus has left some voluminous and erratic comments to this case. He has displayed an extensive knowledge about WorldCreaterFighter, which is pretty suspicious to me. How can a guy who just started editing in May of 2022 have so much knowledge about WorldCreaterFighter?

As I was reading through his comments, something stuck out at me. He wrote: ... "You blah blah blah even the tiniest thing as evidences."[20]

"Blah blah" is something that WorldCreaterFighter used to say a lot. I went looking for examples and found a very interesting one from the talk page of Gyatso1, a confirmed sockpuppet of WorldCreaterFighter.

Gyatso1 left this satirical comment at Gyatso1's talk page, during which they were having an "argument" about whether or not the Ainu were "black" or mixed with ASSI (indigenous south Indians). DerekHistorian was arguing against them being "part black". Emphasis added:

• [21] ... "it is racist propaganda to say: oh you are all the same and related bla bla” but then you white and asian say: “no the black is nothing worth” and studies support multi regional human origin anyway. You not only want to steal our history but also our blood and our DNA. Many pictures show the Ainu had dark black skin. Ancient Tibetans had black negro skin and look. They not suddenly look asian. Look at all ainu japanese, they look still a bit black. Like papuan. Ancient Taiwanese was black too. The story of the little black man"

This comment is very peculiar, because I noticed Ghizz Archus making similar comments at Talk:Uyghurs, where he adamently argued that Uygur people aren't mixed with ASSI, because they aren't black, just like DerekHistorian did at Gyatso1's talk page. And like that discussion at Gyatso1's talk page, this one seems like WP:GHBH sockpuppetry.

Here are some examples from Ghizz Archus:

• [22] ... "All your examples of high peaked South Asians examples that only you had shown so far; black skinned ethnic groups that look either South Indian tribal or Onge."
• [23] ... "They generally look nothing like the mainstream South Asian especially not the South Indians where AASI peaks in the blackest skinned tribes."
• [24] ... "Even in this chart [1] provided by 103.154.184.104. He uses only black skinned population of South Indian (Dravidian speaking tribal) or Negrito like Onge Andamanese to represent South Asia/SA. Is this a deliberate attempt to mislead wikipedian readers to believe Uyghurs are actually partially related with black skinned dalits and negrito Onge?"

However it doesn't end there, because DerekHistorian and Gyatso1 also had a neat little discussion about the frequency of haplogroup D-M55 in Ainu, which as I mentioned before was another topic that Ghizz Archus is interested in.

• [25] ... DerekHistorian wrote: "D-M55 in Oceanic has nothing to do with ancient DNA but Japanese expansion and occupation."
• [26] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "A study by Tajima et al. (2004) Fourteen out of sixteen (or 87.5%) belong to YAP+ lineages (Y-haplogroups D-M55* and D-M125), with 13/16 (81.3%) belonging to D-M55 and 1/16 (6.25%) belonging to D-M125 (the latter is much more typical of mainland Japanese males than Ainu)."

In my opinion this is a clear duck case. Ghizz Archus adds the exact same material to Wikipedia as WorldCreaterFighter/DerekHistorian, and even uses similar idiosyncrasies when talking to people (especially me). He has way too much knowledge about WorldCreaterFighter for a new user, and acts like someone who has interacted with me years ago, despite only starting to edit in May of 2022. This all adds up to something very suspicious. If the CheckUser data says they're unrelated, consider that WorldCreaterFighter may actually be as sophisticated as they say they are, and may have some kind of "network".

WorldCreaterFighter has done this before. He has made sock accounts that passed CU, but turned out to get banned anyway because everyone intuitively knew they were related. DerekHistorian and Vamlos are two such examples. - Hunan201p (talk) 19:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Update: I have found yet more damning evidence for this case, this time from Vamlos.

• [27] ... Vamlos wrote: "From what I've seen Adamanese are not 100% AASI either. Now as for Indian tribes, I have not seen every study but many of them are super black as heck in skin color although their hair type and facial features are different. Adamanese look like pseudo-Africans from Sub-Sahara where as all the South Indian tribes like Paniya 83% AASI With groups like Dalits, also know as the the untouchable are possibly 100% AASI. Also the point is if it was 50%- 75% African Sub-Saharan mix with 25-50% Iranian farmers, they woul all certainly look like a typical african black people. Or the very least they would have those tightly curlyed afro hair would be seen in every South Asian population."
• [28] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "'Obviously this 8% Adamanese/Onge related DNA in Tajiks isn't actually from people like Onge Adamanese/Negrito with their tight coiled hair or else people from North India and South India would look like part negrito with coiled hair."

Here we see again the same obsession with the black skin of ASSI and Negrito people. The same bias against ASSI ancestry in South and Central Asian populations that Ghizz Archus showed in his Talk:Uyghur discussion about ASSI. And now we see another matching idiosyncrasy: his belief that all South Asian populations would have 'tight coiled' hair if they were mixed with ASSI or Andamanese Negrito people.

In my opinion, there's no way Ghizz Archus cannot be a participant in the sockpuppetry that has plagued this site for years. - Hunan201p (talk) 06:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Update: More similarities. Compare these two comments from Vamlos and Ghizz Archus. Same sentiment against ASSI/Negrito/Onge admixture, same idiosyncrasy "commonsense".

• [29] ... Vamlos wrote: "Mentioning the Harappan civilization in the Negritos wiki page. Do we even need a concensus to remove this ? Is like someone edited Donald Trump is a Indian guy and I'm sure you don't need to concesus to remove that when the source is manipulated, is all commonsense. I read prettymuch everything about Harrapan civilization and have not met a single word saying Negrito. The links genetic study says nothing about Negrito racial/phenotype people nor DNA..."
• [30] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "Kashmir was only recently part of India ( Union of India) in 1947, thanks to British colonization. The point is anyone with half the intellect and commonsense will there know is no way that South Insian/Onge can make up such a substantial percentage in Uyghurs."

You can also gleam from these talk page discussions the commonality in spacing errors, especially with puncuation and parentheses. Ghizz Archus and Vamlos/DerekHistorian always add a number of errant spaces with their question marks and parentheses.

Two diffs to compare:

[31][32] ... DerekHistorian restores content supporting a Turkic origin of the Turkic Ashina tribe, while adding CN tags and tempering the wording of anything suggestive of Sogdian or Saka links to the Ashina tribe.

[33] ... Ghizz Archus wrote: "I am like a thorn to your pro-Iranian edits in Turkic history [...] I disagree with Ashina being predominate Chinese rulers because they were Turkic. You have no problem with that because you Ashina to be Sogdians who became East Asian"

Recently, Ghizz Archus has posted a bunch of Quora pages. That's pretty funny, because look at the long term abuse page of WorldCreaterFighter:

• [34] ... "A series of extremely thorough blog posts (though organized somewhat erratically and potentially unreliable) presented many accounts of evidence that behaviors and views very similar to this user are seen on various other internet platforms such as Quora and YouTube, also with a large number of sockpuppet aliases" - Hunan201p (talk) 15:29, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

@RoySmith: I have added some extra behavioral evidence. If it's too late to take this in to consideration I will file another non-CU case. Thanks for your efforts. - Hunan201p (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Hunan201p, your evidences are very boring, fake and repetitive. I know wondering why you been editing so many different wikipieda pages in just timelenght of 1 to 2 min just to change a letter. Is it because you don't want people to go back and see your history of bad behaviour.

I am like a thorn to your pro-Iranian edits in Turkic history, this is why you want to get rid of me. You blah blah blah even the tiniest thing as evidences. Our URL or geolocation is changed by google translate or even when I just a click a link provided by others. My primary objectives are all Turkic based history while DerekHistorians are all Chinese, Finns, Finland, Uralic, Singapore, Mongols, Turks and other ethnicities. I disagree with Ashina being predominate Chinese rulers because they were Turkic. You have no problem with that because you Ashina to be Sogdians who became East Asian looking

You have a history of unsuccessful word games. The fact that you repeated these same tricks shows what kind of person you are. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter&diff=951916624&oldid=951910216

What Hunan201p said in 15:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC) " Notice the phrase Shinoshijak used, "please do check". That same exact phrase was used by another account, Queenplz, who I linked to WorldCreaterFighter in the Qiushufang investigation below. Queenplz was also involved in an edit war over Genghis Khan's hair color: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=950263958 Queenplz quote: "PLEASE DO CHECK. I'm completely new to wikipedia, I not a sockuppet or whatever." This is the investigation where I linked Queenplz to WorldCreaterFighter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qiushufang#11_April_2020 "

According to you Qiushufang, Shinoshijak, Queenplz should have been blocked too, but they haven't. So this time your going to say I'm DerekHistorian because I said against you ?

Miranda warning "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court".

why have you in the past months made thousands of edits that last only for 1-2 minutes ? The vast majority of them it's just changing a single letter or word. If your trolling than I don't know what it is. Another possiblity is you want to make as much edits so people won't know that you have a bad history of trolling and accusing others for challanging you. Afterall you did get a 3 months blocked for wrongly accusing admins and other wiki users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hunan201p/Archive_3#Block_and_unblock Ghizz Archus (talk) 21:48, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

I did more checking. I'm want to say that you deliberately avoided mentioning that User:Satoshi Kondo was a confirmed sock/or suspected sock of WorldCreaterFighter. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Satoshi_Kondo . Why would Satoshi Kondo expose himself as WorldCreaterFighter if those locations are all correct ? The only proven and confirmed Geolocation or IP of WorldCreaterFighter are Austrian IP and English IP.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/WorldCreaterFighter

With the Austrian IP make up for 39 confirmed, the British IP only 3. More than anything, WorldCreaterFighter is Austrian. I bet you knew all of this but you didn't say anything about it here, because we are in a sockpuppet investigation. You will use gibberish evidence and narratives just to get anyone who stands in your way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=958378105#Disruptive_editing_at_User_talk:Hunan201p

User:Steve Quinn said this "Hunan201p is now using his talk page to encourage 4 editors (by pinging them) to revert edits on Wikipedia articles to his preferred version [195], [196]. Please see the top of that section for the pings. How this is done is - the pings are in conjunction with some gibberish about another editor and some IPs engaged in sock behavior and/or meat behavior on certain named Wikipedia pages. Hunan201p is doing all this under the banner of pointing out sock disruption and meat disruption, when in reality, the edits he to which he points are in agreement with guidelines and policies."

Here is why User:Deepfriedokra blocked Hunan201p. He said " I would like to point out that that sort aforementioned gibberish is the reason for the block. He also requested to be unblocked on WP:SPI, talk pages, and noticeboards. That seemed a silly thing to do, and this gibberish spewing just confirms that perception. @Hunan201p: I would like to point out that continuing this behavior after the current block ends will certainly result in a longer block. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 13:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC) " Ghizz Archus (talk) 12:19, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Dude, how can bizarre can you get. Gyatso and DerekHistorian are at least 2 years old accounts.

Your own very evidences are contradicting yourself. Why Can't you even see that for yourself ??

Hunan201p mistakes'

DerekHistorian said "D-M55 has nothing to do with ancient DNA but with Japanese expansion and occupation". Meaning he is claimimg D-M55 belongs to Japanese males.

I wrote " 1/16 (6.25%) belonging to D-M125 (the latter is much more typical of mainland Japanese males than Ainu) ". I said D-M125 is what belongs to Japanese males

Again, let me repeat. DerekHistorian said D-M55 belongs to Japanese expansion/occupation (meaning Japanese males) but I said D-M125 is more much typical of Japanese males.

You were so desperate in kicking me out of the game that you couldn't even see this mistake your mistake. We are clearly two different people or else we be saying the same thing.

Another mistake by Hunan201p

Dude, I said Uyghurs look Caucasian, East Asian, mixed race. The other guy tried to claim Uyghur are part dravidians in DNA which was ridicolous because Uyghurs look nothing like that. Dravidians are indeed black skinned people with their own phenotypes but even that

I CLEARLY SAID they don't look Negrito or Australoid. That blocked Gyatso1 is trolling by claiming everything as black and negro. Again, we are clearly two different people .Ghizz Archus (talk) 13:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Update

This is getting boring as heck so I'm to refute one more time. I have nothing to do with this Vamlos, DerekHistorian, Gyatso and every other accounts. As for WorldCreaterFighter, he is anti-Turk so I don't understand why you think I'm him. Properly a few of those accounts are ethnic Turks like me, because I see many Turks that write with similar opinions.

Are are you kidding me ? The nonsense claim that about Adamanese/Onge being related with some Negrito aborigines is a widespread silly questions by trolls. Also why you comparing these similarities with what I said ? I said tight coiled hair, while Vamlos said tightly Curley Afro hair. Just because we share a tiny bit of similarity does not mean we are same people. I've read plenty of Vamlos comments, perhaps he is also Drakey504 on reddit, I tend to agree with more than 50% of what he wrote. You can easily say p anyerson from Quora it's me. If I was to copy similarity between me and others there be at least thousands of people who can as me just became in more than 5 or 10- similar topics.

Quora questions and answers. I certainly couldn't be 30-50 different Quora users are the same time.

Are Tamils the same as Australian Aborigines racially. How closely related are they linked to the Adamanese Aborigines ?

https://www.quora.com/Are-Tamils-the-same-as-Australian-Aborigines-racially-How-closely-are-they-linked-to-the-Adamanese-Aborigines

If South Indians are closely related with Adamanese, why do they not have curly hair like Onges (resembling Africans)?

https://www.quora.com/unanswered/If-South-Indians-are-closely-related-with-Adamanese-why-do-they-not-have-curly-hair-like-Onges-resembling-Africans?q=Are%20Adamanese

Are south Indians related to Africans?

https://www.quora.com/Are-south-Indians-related-to-Africans

Shouldn't the Tamil civilization be referred to as an African civilization (not Dravidian), since genes of Tamils are mainly derived from Negrito Andamanese who are the earliest representatives of Africans?

https://www.quora.com/Shouldnt-the-Tamil-civilization-be-referred-to-as-an-African-civilization-not-Dravidian-since-genes-of-Tamils-are-mainly-derived-from-Negrito-Andamanese-who-are-the-earliest-representatives-of-Africans

Are black skinned people of India (Tamils, Dravidians) classified as Caucasoids?

https://www.quora.com/Are-black-skinned-people-of-India-Tamils-Dravidians-classified-as-Caucasoids

https://www.quora.com/Which-race-ethnicities-tend-to-have-certain-hair-textures-curly-straight-wavy-hair

From REDDITT

And about Africans and Onge/Adamanese having tight coiled hair is common knowledge

https://www.quora.com/Which-race-ethnicities-tend-to-have-certain-hair-textures-curly-straight-wavy-hair

https://www.reddit.com/r/evolution/comments/m7tq39/did_african_curlywiry_hair_evolve_after_people/

Which race/ethnicities tend to have certain hair textures (curly, straight, wavy hair)?

https://www.quora.com/Which-race-ethnicities-tend-to-have-certain-hair-textures-curly-straight-wavy-hair

I'm done with Hunan201p. I don't know if he is trolling or not at this point.Ghizz Archus (talk) 14:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

• From a CU perspective, nothing has changed since 25 May 2022. I ran another check; the data from that check says Ghizz Archus is  Unrelated or at best  Unlikely. It is always possible that the CU data is wrong, and for that reason I'll just leave this as checked and add  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation, but my advice to the clerk who looks at this is that the CU data looks solid to me and you'll need really strong behavioral evidence to come to a different conclusion. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
•  Clerk note: I've trimmed a bunch of unnecessary blank lines to make the report more readable. --Blablubbs (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

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