Talk:Everett Stern

Request for Comment on Article Version

RfC: Which version of this article better serves the public, the subject and Wikipedia?

There have been major revisions to this entire article in the past week. The current version is completely different than everything before it. There were multiple arguments in the talk page, the editors are too close to the product. It may be helpful to have the community weigh in to decide which product is better serving.

There are three major versions:

• Before the edit battle: Special:PermaLink/922359595
• Diff 1: Special:PermaLink/930248600
• Current: Special:PermaLink/930434324

Everettstern (talk) 17:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I've changed the links to PermaLinks and done some formatting tweaks. Primefac (talk) 12:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

• 3rd Version It is organized well, has more relevant information than the others, yet doesn't have all of the superfluous information in the Tactical Rabbit section. HAL333 18:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Primefac I am not sure how to close this discussion. The way the wikipedia page is now I believe is accurate and is to the community consensus. You will know better then me, but if it is ok with you may you please close this section. Everettstern (talk) 01:51, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

RFC withdrawn/closed per the above as there is no "opposition" to the current version. Primefac (talk) 02:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Edit request (Feb 2020)

The following article recently came out and I am not sure if any of this can be added to the Everett Stern page. Maybe not, but I want to bring this to the attention of the moderators before a third party makes a change. I will try and do this going forward as fast as possible to prevent the edit wars we have seen in the past. Primefac I am not sure if I am doing this correctly. I added the code you recommended but I am not sure if I used it correctly. https://www.bankingdive.com/news/iran-sanctions-anti-money-laundering-hsbc-whistleblower/570522/Everettstern (talk) 14:05, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure why that should be included in this article; it sounds like it would serve as a reference for an article like United States sanctions against Iran. Primefac (talk) 22:56, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

To add to article

To add to this article: information about these revelations. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

As an interview with seemingly no corroborating sources or content, I don't think this is appropriate. It would basically say "Stern says he was asked to spy on people" which not (at this point) verifiable. Primefac (talk) 07:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Primefac These two articles are critical and come from very credible sources. They contain essential actions taken that should be considered as part of the article as it shapes my political career and has significance not only to myself but the overall U.S. Election. For example, testifying to January 6 and the FBI goes beyond someone asking me to do something. The New York Times article found someone else like me who was also asked to similar actions. The New York Times article is also credible and a verifiable source that shows my vetted actions and a pattern of criminality being conducted by Flynn. The Guardian and the New York Times pieces on my actions regarding Flynn in defense of the United States are significant to not only my article but others. The Guardian and the New York Times have an extensive vetting process. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/magazine/michael-flynn-2020-election.html , https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/21/michael-flynn-allies-allegedly-targeted-republicans-back-election-audits . --Everettstern (talk) 02:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Significant Article Changes

• What I think should be changed (include citations): Hi Primefac (talk) May you and the other editors please correct the page so it is in accordance with Wikipedia community standards. I am running for U.S. Senate and will be in the race to the end. My photo keeps being deleted and there is a statement that is not true about my policy beliefs. I believe in more regulation not less as I saw what happened with HSBC and losing regulatory standards. My mission in this race is to fight ring wing extremism and that is why I broke off from the Republican party. Please consider the following articles as both the New York Times and the Guardian state I testified to the January 6th committee against General Flynn. I am a moderate pro-democracy anti-trump politician. I took on the Republican party and suffered tremendous consequences as a result. I worked with the FBI to report domestic terrorism. I know you are very busy but please read the Guardian and New York Times articles. You will see that there was another person who was asked to extort politicians as well by the Patriot Caucus and Flynn. I say all of this because Americans are all invested in the PA U.S Senate race not just people who live in PA as whoever wins can change U.S. Senate red or blue for a long time. Whistleblowing on General Flynn and his Extortion plot was serious and had major implications that I believe the page should reflect. Most people i know rely on Wikipedia for the truth. People are looking me up and they need to see a Wikipedia page just like the other candidates and one that accurately reflects me as a living person. I am sincerely trying to fight for what is right and putting it on the line. in my humble opinion, I believe my page should be written so it is encyclopedic. Right now it has a banner on top saying the article is not written appropriately. I have done a tremendous amount since HSBC and the other wars I have launched as the intelligence director of Tactical Rabbit. It is not a matter of self-promotion, but facts. There have been a number of credible news stories I am featured in since the last major revision of the page. Again, this is not about showcasing achievements but making sure the American voter knows what I stand and fight for. I will go with whatever the Wikipedia community agrees upon as this is not my Wikipedia page. It is the communities. I just sincerely ask you and the other top editors to research and make the proper adjustments so the page accurately reflects my actions. There may not be a conviction yet against Flynn, but my actions of testifying to the FBI and the January 6th committee are significantly credible and verifiable actions. Please also note that my campaign managers were in control in the beginning of the race. My real views on things are on Twitter and clearly evident by my actions against Trump and right-wing extremism. I know you are very busy and I sincerely thank you for your help. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/21/michael-flynn-allies-allegedly-targeted-republicans-back-election-audits / https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/magazine/michael-flynn-2020-election.html / https://www.salon.com/2021/10/31/candidate-michael-flynn-trying-to-run-extortion-scheme-on-us-officials-to-reinstall/ https://www.salon.com/2021/10/31/candidate-michael-flynn-trying-to-run-extortion-scheme-on-us-officials-to-reinstall/ Everettstern (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

• Why it should be changed: To make the article more neutral and encyclopedic in accordance with community standards. Everettstern (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Everettstern (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Re the photo: It was deleted for lack of permission. We would need a free picture in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The photos were taken by professional photographers hired by my campaign staff. I own the rights to the photos. Please let me know what you need. I have other photos I could provide. How do I get them to you. I do not want to make any changes or additions to the page. Thank you for your help. Everettstern (talk) 14:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Everettstern: Please provide a direct link to a photo on your website and state here that you agree to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. I believe your identity has been confirmed on Wikipedia already (someone correct me if I'm wrong), so permission from you here should be enough. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 14:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for providing me the correct information. The photo that was up before which is the one on the American Flag on the U.S. Senate website. It is the first photo of me on www.everettstern.com. https:///url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Feverettstern.com%2F&psig=AOvVaw3pNzHAWdnFGeJVez_Z-cZa&ust=1652539341242000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAwQjRxqFwoTCNi4kvba3PcCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD This photo is from www.TacticalRabbit.com https://tacticalrabbit.com/intelligence-director/ https://www..com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftacticalrabbit.com%2Fintelligence-director%2F&psig=AOvVaw3pNzHAWdnFGeJVez_Z-cZa&ust=1652539341242000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAwQjRxqFwoTCNi4kvba3PcCFQAAAAAdAAAAABBi The last photo is from the Campaign website www.EverettStern.com https://everettstern.com/contact/ I am not sure how to get this last photo into a link. I provided 3 photos that I agree to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. I provided 3 photos so the Wikipedia community can decide what photo goes up and not me for neutrality. Thank you for your help. Everettstern (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

(talk) I apologize but it said google was blacklisted and I could not reply unless I deleted the word. You will see a hole in two links where google should be. I was not sure how to navigate this problem. Everettstern (talk) 15:05, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Everettstern: Tactial Rabbit would need to release the image: they're claiming the copyright over the image on their site. —C.Fred (talk) 19:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

As the owner of Tactical Rabbit I give permission to use the image of me from the Tactical Rabbit website therefore I agree to release it under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license. Everettstern (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done, thank you. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 02:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

The article is no longer written like a résumé, so I've removed the {{like resume}} tag. —C.Fred (talk) 13:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the rest, I don't see a clear suggestion, but I'm leaving the section open for now. —C.Fred (talk) 13:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Please read the Guardian article. It is free and very comprehensive. I know you are very busy but the Guardian is a credible source and this piece took months in the reporters and editors writing, approving, and fact checking. The New York Times story followed. Everettstern (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

There is also this article which shows more of my political views. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/michael-flynn-kathy-barnette-everett-stern-b2020977.html Everettstern (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Hi Primefac I hope your move went well. I also recently wrote a book that is on Amazon and Barnes & Noble called "Dark Money & Private Spies." The link is following https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-Private-Spies-Everett/dp/1647045789/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Everettstern (talk) 13:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Everettstern: Editors on Wikipedia are volunteers, and it is quicker to get changes if the request is presented in a "Change X to Y" format and citations for each statement are included. I am closing this request because it is difficult to ascertain how you would like the article to be changed. Interested editors can evaluate the article based on the references you provided, or you can open a new request below. Please let me know if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 23:32, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Z1720 Primefac My apologies. I know everyone are volunteers and I appreciate people taking the time to work on my article. I am not sure of the exact statements but I provided the Guardian and New York Times stories I was in that are significant to my page. I want to leave it up to the Wikipedia Community as to what goes in my article and what does not, but I sincerely ask that the Guardian story and New York Times is read. I will provide links again. These stories contain critical facts that should be included in my biography. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/21/michael-flynn-allies-allegedly-targeted-republicans-back-election-audits

and https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/magazine/michael-flynn-2020-election.html

Both articles are credible and had serious implications on my life and others for the greater good. Thank you for your help. I also wrote a book called Dark Money and Private Spies. Everettstern (talk) 15:12, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Primefac (talk) I understand you and the other editors are volunteers and I am sorry to take up your time, but the On the Issues link on my page does not accurately reflect the issues I believe in. My campaign is responsible for that. Ballotpedia accurately represents my views. I am very much a moderate not the right-wing extremism being shown on that On the Issues page. I have emailed On the Issues a number of times and I am trying to resolve the issue. Thank you for your time and help. Everettstern (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

If there is something specific that needs changing, please be specific - is it a word? A sentence? A paragraph? The more specific you are with your requests for change, the more likely we can be to help you. "This page is out of date and needs fixing" is too vague, and multiple editors have now indicated that you need to be more specific in your requests. In other words, "change XYZ to ABC" and a supporting reference is the best way to do this. Primefac (talk) 10:10, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I will gather a list and submit for review. Please note my requests are not demands as I understand the wikipedia page is not mine but the community. Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to make the page more accurate. I will have everything submitted by the end of the day, but please no rush on your part. I hope you are doing well. Everettstern (talk) 12:22, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Please remove * Everett Stern at On the Issues It does not accurately reflect my views. Please replace it with https://ballotpedia.org/Everett_Stern.

Please add that worked with the FBI and then testified to the January 6th committee against General Flynn. The source is The Guardian and the New York Times. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/21/michael-flynn-allies-allegedly-targeted-republicans-back-election-audits

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/magazine/michael-flynn-2020-election.html. Please consider adding a Tactical Rabbit success in which a Nazi Group was taken down by the FBI due to Tactical Rabbit. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-white-supremacists-ss-prem-20210120-55z7iiaribet3lei4h6372ftb4-story.html Please add that i was featured in the award winning and most listen to podcast "True Spies" with my episode being the Avenger. https://spyscape.com/podcast/the-avenger https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-avenger/id1508522747?i=1000523764807 Please also add that I recently came out with a book called "Dark Money & Private Spies" https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-Private-Spies-Everett-ebook/dp/B0B39LJYJY Thank you for your time and consideration with this matter. I hope this was more specific in what you were asking for. Everettstern (talk) 15:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Misleading article

The article creates a false impression that Stern is the whistleblower responsible for reporting information that led to the 1.9 Billion dollar settlement. This is not supported by the supporting article on the topic, a Rolling Stone article. This article shows that he was responsible only for making a report that led to a $32K settlement. The timing indicates that the 1.9 billion dollar settlement was already in the works when Stern stepped forward with his own separate complaint. See the court document which shows the HSBC had been sent a cease and desist order by federal investigators on October 6 2010: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4322267/3/3/united-states-v-hsbc-bank-usa-na/. But from the Rolling Stone article we see that Stern had only begun working at HSBC that month. He could not have initiated the investigation. Here's the article about the $32K fine apparently linked to Stern, which I don't see referenced here: https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-252B-3169. By saying that Stern is "the" whistleblower in the article, it creates the false impression that Stern's actions led to the larger settlement. No evidence is presented anywhere that he had any connection to that settlement. Further, the Rolling Stone article's source for much of this information seems to be Everett Stone himself. A thorough community review of the sources should be taken to see what claims in the article they actually support. 100.10.14.31 (talk) 09:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

The article itself currently says (in the Aftermath) section that the settlement (apparently?) related to Stern's whistleblower complaints is "unrelated to the bank's December 2012 agreement". The government report on the larger HSBC case, which the article currently mentions but does not directly reference does in fact mention a whistleblower - from 2005. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/PSI%20REPORT-HSBC%20CASE%20HISTORY%20(9.6).pdf Thus, "the" whistleblower in "the" HSBC case can not possibly be Stern.

I will remove all references to the 1.9 billion dollar settlement as utterly irrelevant. Note that additional work is needed on the rest of the text to see if there are further implications wrongly connecting Stern to the earlier, larger HSBC investigation.

This article seems to be intended from its inception to create this false impression that links Stern to the 1.9 billion dollar settlement. That raises concerns about actual authorship and purpose. Battling McGook (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm also very concerned that someone purporting to be Mr. Stern has been active in the maintenance of this web page for years, and this misleading information has persisted here throughout it's entire history. Battling McGook (talk) 18:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Primefac I was NOT convicted of any crime in my entire life and that should not be in this Wikipedia. Everettstern (talk) 00:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)