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The result was keep. And please assist to format the sources. - Mailer Diablo 17:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

St. George El Mozahem

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This article is of an assumed person with no verifiable historical fact of existance, at least none shown in the sources listed. It appears to be solely based on a fabled story in church fliers which seems to be copied from each other, week in plot, and ficticious in character and detail. The article can remain if it is made clear that this person is not a historical person and that his existence is just a matter of belief. Ahmed Khalil (talk) 09:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. This is simply not an acceptable rationale to delete. The nominator's objection is purely a content issue. St Anselm (talk) 20:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a saint long revered in the Coptic church, with many sources attesting to the fact, and so satisfies WP:GNG. -- 202.124.73.117 (talk) 01:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If he's revered as a saint by a mainstream religion then he's notable. End of. Whether there's verifiable evidence he existed or not is irrelevant (if it was relevant then we would be deleting articles on a huge number of religious figures, starting with such minor figures as Jesus Christ and, er, God!). -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:46, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. What you mentioned goes for Mohammed too! Like StAnselm told you, it is not an acceptable rationale to delete. Your religious views shouldn't be the motivation for your edits!--Beshoy El Epti (talk) 22:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy/Snow Keep - Nominator's WP:IDONTLIKEIT nomination is spurious. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If the nominator is right and there is "no verifiable historical fact" of this person's existence, then the lead can be modified to read (like the Saint George article), "St. George El Mozahem (940 - June 26, 969) was, according to tradition, a Coptic Orthodox martyr and saint." St Anselm (talk) 06:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Speedy/[[WP:SNOW|Snow]] Keep''' - Nominator's [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] nomination is spurious. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 02:19, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''': ''If'' the nominator is right and there is "no verifiable historical fact" of this person's existence, ''then'' the lead can be modified to read (like the [[Saint George]] article), "St. George El Mozahem (940 - June 26, 969) was, according to tradition, a Coptic Orthodox martyr and saint." [[User:StAnselm|<b>St</b>]][[Special:Contributions/StAnselm|Anselm]] ([[User talk:StAnselm|talk]]) 06:19, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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