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AVL Trees - Pseudo Code

I have examined the pseudo code on the AVL Tree page and it appears to be flawed in many respects. I contacted Wikipedia via email and gave them the source code to AVL Trees in C++, C# and Java. I look forward to a better presentation resulting from this step.

AVL Trees account for Sets, Maps and Trees - the three most important classes in computer science. Therefore it is critical that the correct code be presented (if Wiki is to maintain credibility). NNcNannara (talk) 06:04, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

You can find the source code to AVL Trees in Java at I# in Java. A complete discussion of AVL Trees in C# may be found at I# in C#. NNcNannara (talk) 06:07, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

The Pseudo Code for AVL Trees involves pointers whereas the actual C# and Java contains no pointers. Perhaps Psuedo Code is a dated subject. It needs to be ascertained precisely how to approach the presentation of trees. My opinion is that actual modern code is better than dated pseudo code. The question is which language to use C++, C# or Java. I have already supplied the source code to AVL in Native C++, Managed C++, C# and Java at Rosetta. NNcNannara (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest in improving wikipedia, but this is not how it works. We don't publish original thout. Please read WP:NOR, WP:CITE, WP:RS. - üser:Altenmann >t 15:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

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Guidelines for individual software design pattern articles

I recently made some significant edits to Singleton pattern to remove content which I perceived as overly Java-oriented. I received a negative reaction from an anonymous IP on my talk page whom I have replied to at Talk:Singleton pattern. I stand by my edits, but regardless, I have observed that there is very little consistency between the various software design pattern articles. Perhaps there need to be some, at least unofficial, guidelines which all of the articles should follow? I list my suggestions and thoughts here.

Language-neutrality

In my opinion, articles on individual software design patterns should be as programming language-neutral as possible. By this I mean that the article should discuss the pattern in a way that is generally applicable to the majority of languages in which that pattern is relevant. Examples that violate this guidelines include:

Code samples which rely on features not present in the majority of relevant languages (e.g. using Java enums to implement the singleton pattern)
Discussion of language-specific implementation details or bugs which should be accounted for when implementing a pattern (e.g. the Java synchronized and final keywords)

No superfluous information or opinions

These articles are about software design patterns, not about things like naming conventions or software design best practices. For example, the following sentence from the Adapter pattern article is totally inappropriate:

When implementing the adapter pattern, for clarity one can apply the class name [ClassName]To[Interface]Adapter to the provider implementation, for example DAOToProviderAdapter.

Code samples

Code samples should be embedded in the relevant sections of the article, not placed in a separate "Code samples" section. Code samples perform a similar function to images: they are an illustrative aid to understanding the topic under discussion. Segregating them to a separate section of the article only makes things harder for the reader. In addition, if we start listing code samples in various languages, how do we determine which languages deserve an entry? Presumable we have to draw the line somewhere, as these articles are not stand-alone lists. And we have to ask ourselves: what purpose does this serve? Is the article really improved by having a C++ example and a Java example and a C# example, when the syntax for all three languages is very similar? Does it help to get across important additional information about the pattern? I would say no.

There is still the question of which language should be used to provide the code samples? For the sake of consistency (I'm a software engineer after all), I would be perfectly fine if a consensus could be reached on a language to use for all articles on patterns (e.g. C++ or Java or C# for all object-oriented software design patterns – I would probably advocate Java on the basis that it is probably the most widely understood language). However, I can see this consensus being near-impossible to reach, so perhaps the language should be chosen per-article. I am open to the idea of using different languages for each code sample within an article – variation is good and neutral – but I worry that it will be harder to compare code samples if they are written in different languages (they will generally demonstrate different variations of the pattern). I'm keen to hear opinions on this.

Lastly, code sample should be as minimal as is appropriate. If a bare-bones template is sufficient to illustrate the pattern, then that should be used. If providing some additional dummy functionality is necessary to accurately convey the purpose of the pattern, then it's fine to elaborate a bit. However, the sample should be kept short. For example, the Adapter pattern PHP example is far too long.

Infoboxes

We might be able to devise an infobox template for software design patterns. If possible, the infobox should contain the class diagram (or other applicable diagram) for the basic pattern. Other information the infobox could contain:

The type of pattern (creational, structural, behavioural, ...)
Summary of the purpose of the pattern (if this is do-able in infobox format).
Aliases
Well-known publications that discuss the pattern (e.g. GOF)
Related patterns

However, perhaps there is simply not enough to summarize to justify an infobox. Definitely open of suggestions about this.

Article structure

I propose the general headings to be standardized across all articles:

Lead – Should summarise the article. As per Wikipedia guidelines, should not contain information not provided and sourced elsewhere.
Purpose – Should describe what the pattern does and where, why and how it should be used (and should be well-sourced). I don't think it is necessary to subdivide this section unless the section becomes unmanageable.
Implementation – Should list the requirements and general approach to implementation of the pattern. If there are variations on the pattern then they can have subsections here.

These headings are not hard and fast, and I'm certainly open to other suggestions, but it would be nice to have some consistency. For example, I would like to see a "Criticisms" section in the singleton pattern article, as it is a somewhat controversial pattern.

I'll be glad to hear feedback on my thoughts. Hpesoj00 (talk) 08:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Blockchain data structure and "blockchain" as an emerging imprtant technology

Since data structures of the concatenate chain model, or blockchains (originally "block chains", but now most commonly spelled "blockchain") seem to be much in the news with major financial sector initiatives underway in addition to their tradition digital currency exchange-of-value use case, and since WikiProject Databases seems to be in hiatus, it would be real helpful to have a few more editors from the WikiProject Computer science project consider taking a look at a few of the articles in that space. The ones that I know could use much more work to improve them are blockchain (database) and Ethereum. But I'd be happy to suggest/find others if asked. Hope to see some of you over there. Cheers. N2e (talk) 01:13, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject PHP

Hello WikiProject Computer science/Archive 11.

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject PHP, a project dedicated on improving Wikipedia's coverage and detail regarding the PHP programming language.

If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project.

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Software update as a redirect to Patch (computing)?

Please see Talk:Software update#Software update as a redirect to Patch (computing)? --5.170.9.7 (talk) 20:34, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

RFCs on citations templates and the flagging free-to-read sources

See

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Bird–Meertens formalism

Hello,

I have added enough material to Bird–Meertens formalism to revoke its stub status, in my estimation.

However, this is fresh paint and not my field, so if anyone is interested in the topic, their eyeballs (or any other relevant body parts) are welcome.

Cheers — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 16:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Reassessment request for article "Pointing device"

Could somebody from the assessment team have a look at Pointing device and update the quality/importance class, please? A student in my course significantly extended the article compared to the previous state which (imho) improved it quite a bit. As I was involved in the writing of the article, I would prefer not to do the reassessment myself. Raphman (talk) 14:53, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages

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Missing topics list

My list of missing topics related to computers is updated - Skysmith (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Designing for virtual reality at AfD

Link for giving input: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Designing for virtual reality. Samsara 14:46, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

WikiJournal of Science promotion

The WikiJournal of Science is a start-up academic journal which aims to provide a new mechanism for ensuring the accuracy of Wikipedia's scientific content. It is part of a WikiJournal User Group that includes the flagship WikiJournal of Medicine.^[1]^[2]. Like Wiki.J.Med, it intends to bridge the academia-Wikipedia gap by encouraging contributions by non-Wikipedians, and by putting content through peer review before integrating it into Wikipedia.

Since it is just starting out, it is looking for contributors in two main areas:

Editors

See submissions through external academic peer review
Format accepted articles
Promote the journal

Authors

Original articles on topics that don't yet have a Wikipedia page, or only a stub/start
Wikipedia articles that you are willing to see through external peer review (either solo or as in a group, process analagous to GA / FA review)
Image articles, based around an important medical image or summary diagram

If you're interested, please come and discuss the project on the journal's talk page, or the general discussion page for the WikiJournal User group.

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T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 10:38, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Primitive data type - needs attention from an expert

Primitive data type - This article needs attention from an expert in Computer science. Is there anyone can edit this article? Please have a look on this. Thank you very much.

Dulaj Chathuranga (talk) 17:28, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers

Template:Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers has been nominated for merging with Template:IEEE councils. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Too many articles on singularity/superintelligence/etc

I am trying to deal with

Which overlap in various ways, both in content and in concept.

I propose that AI takeover be reduced to a meta style article like this revision, covering several topics with specific content placed in topical articles where possible. Meanwhile, AI control problem ought to be merged into Existential risk from artificial general intelligence, Intelligence explosion ought to be merged into Technological singularity, and Friendly artificial intelligence ought to be merged into superintelligence. These topics are very similar and the sources are often shared. K.Bog 22:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Friendly artificial intelligence and superintelligence are distinct topics, although obviously there is overlap, and shouldn't be merged. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 23:39, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

However, a merge of Friendly artificial intelligence into machine ethics might be possible. I don't see the harm in keeping them as distinct articles, though. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 23:43, 28 March 2017 (UTC)]]

What to do with the AI takeover article is being discussed at Talk:AI takeover#What's next?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Transhumanist (talk • contribs)

Source code vs pseudocode, yet again

The perennial discussion of whether our articles about algorithms are improved or worsened by adding long chunks of code implementing the algorithms has raised its head again, this time at Talk:Hopcroft–Karp algorithm. Please contribute your opinions there. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:05, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Stochastical algorithms

I'm trying to devise distinctive short descriptions for

see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_18#Category:Statistical algorithms. Maybe some of the categories should even be joined.

(Possibly, a statistical algorithm is an ordinary one that computes a function, such as the standard deviation, of a given set of statistical data points; and a stochastic algorithm, aka. randomized algorithm, aka. probabilistic algorithm, gets an extra random source as input, as in Monte Carlo and Las Vegas algorithms?)

Are there any experts in this field who can help? Thanks in advance. - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 08:47, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report

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Alain Colmerauer

Hello. Could you please expand Alain Colmerauer with in-lined references?Zigzig20s (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Disjoint-sets

I'm endeavouring to clean up the Disjoint-set data structure page. It's currently rated at C-Class. If you have thoughts about what would help improve it, do let me know.Finog (talk) 07:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

RfC Announce: Wikimedia referrer policy

In February of 2016 the Wikimedia foundation started sending information to all of the websites we link to that allow the owner of the website (or someone who hacks the website, or law enforcement with a search warrant / subpoena) to figure out what Wikipedia page the user was reading when they clicked on the external link.

The WMF is not bound by Wikipedia RfCs, but we can use an advisory-only RfC to decide what information, if any, we want to send to websites we link to and then put in a request to the WMF. I have posted such an advisory-only RfC, which may be found here:

Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#RfC: Wikimedia referrer policy

Please comment so that we can determine the consensus of the Wikipedia community on this matter. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

New page

I have created a new page for computer scientist Dr Kate Devlin. I would be grateful if you would consider it for your project and possibly rate it. Many thanks. Mramoeba (talk) 23:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

old userspace draft

Found "user:Tango tree", an abandoned userpage draft exploring the tango tree with a bunch of images. Are any of those images at all useful? DS (talk) 15:07, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Please help review Draft:Priority search tree

This draft has already been waiting for four weeks in the AFC queue, but it really needs a subject specialist to review it. If you do not wish to do a full AFC review please post your opinions to the talk page. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Recent proof attempt of P≠NP

I'd like to draw your attention to this edit: recently, a paper has been published claiming to prove P≠NP. If the proof turned out to be unflawed, we'd have to change "unless P=NP" to "since P≠NP" (or similar) in a lot of articles. According to the cited blog, the paper will (have) be(en) discussed in this Oberwolfach Workshop (13-19 Aug). - Jochen Burghardt (talk) 04:43, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

There are hundreds of papers claiming proofs of either P≠NP or P=NP (see e.g. Woeginger's collection). This one was at least by someone with expertise in the right area, but a consensus has developed that it's wrong, the same as all the others. See e.g. the summary of the situation in this more-recent blog post. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

ISO 4 redirects help!

{{Infobox journal}} now features ISO 4 redirect detection to help with the creation and maintenance of these redirects, and will populate Category:Articles with missing ISO 4 abbreviation redirects. ISO 4 redirects help readers find journal articles based on their official ISO abbreviations (e.g. J. Phys. A → Journal of Physics A), and also help with compilations like WP:JCW and WP:JCW/TAR. The category is populated by the |abbreviation= parameter of {{Infobox journal}}. If you're interested in creating missing ISO 4 redirects:

Load up an article from the category (or only check for e.g. Computer science journals).
One or more maintenance templates should be at the top of page, with links to create the relevant redirects and verify the abbreviations.
VERIFY THAT THE ABBREVIATION IN |abbreviation= IS CORRECT FIRST

There are links in the maintenance templates to facilitate this. See full detailed instructions at Category:Articles with missing ISO 4 abbreviation redirects.
|abbreviation= should contain dotted, title cased versions of the abbreviations (e.g. J. Phys., not J Phys or J. phys.). Also verify that the dots are appropriate.
If you cannot determine the correct abbreviation, or aren't sure, leave a message at WT:JOURNALS and someone will help you.

Use the link in the maintenance template to create the redirects and automatically tag them with {{R from ISO 4}}.
WP:NULL/WP:PURGE the original article to remove the maintenance templates.

Thanks. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Program execution sidebar

Hey there,

Requesting some assistance Re: this edit (and a more up-to-date diff). See talk page. François Robere (talk) 09:29, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

WP:Manual of Style/Computing#Definite article section proposed for revision

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

The WT:MOSCOMP#Definite article section is proposed, here, to be substantially revised for better agreement with RS practice, linguistics, and MoS norms.

Note: I meant to leave notice here on 1 November but didn't; this discussion has changed and is turning into a proposal to merge useful bits of MOS:COMP into MOS:COMPSCI then delete the rest of MOS:COMP. More on that in a moment. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 11:38, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Merging MOS:COMPSCI#Style and salvageable parts of MOS:COMP into a real guideline

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see proposal at at WT:MOSCOMPSCI, pursuant to the direction the discussion mentioned above has turned. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 11:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

AlienVault

Hi, would someone take a look at my userpage? User:BC1278 would like to update the article. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

AlienVault is a leading cybersecurity software and threat detection firm. The article about them could use a number of updates. I've made my suggestions at Talk:AlienVault. I'm a consultant to AlienVault, and so, according to Wikipedia policy, must have all my suggestions independently reviewed and approved. If anyone has some time to take a look, I'd appreciate it. BC1278 (talk) 18:17, 12 November 2017 (UTC)BC1278

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Computer_science

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 14:34, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Merging K-way merge algorithm into Merge algorithm#K-way merging

See associated discussion at Talk:Merge_algorithm#Merge_K-way_merge_algorithm_article_into_this_one. This is not just a pun. — P C B 22:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Add Geometric BST View Visualizer

I am one of two developers for http://bst.mit.edu I think it would fit as an external link on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry_of_binary_search_trees

Firescar96 (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Splitting public-policy from technical material at Computer security

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Computer security#Some initial ideas on a split and an overhaul.

Summary: The present article is a mish-mash of material of a general nature (technical, academic, practices, history, terms, incidents, notable-figures) and material of a socio-political nature (infrastructural, regulatory, legal, corporate, financial, espionage and cyberwar, public impacts).

This started as an RM discussion but turned into a scope one. I've proposed that a Cybersecurity article (using the term favored in technology-and-public-policy circles) should be a spinoff, per WP:SUMMARY, for the second group of material, leaving the bulk of the more general info at Computer security (the basic, non-jargon, descriptive term for the field). This would be in keeping with Cyberwarfare, Internet privacy, Internet censorship, Genetically modified food controversies, and numerous other clear splits between technology and technology policy articles (sometimes multiple such articles, e.g. Electronic cigarette → Regulation of electronic cigarettes, Safety of electronic cigarettes, and several others – but let's just start with one here).

I've done a section-by-section review of what needs to be done, but it's just one opinion, so additional input is sought.

Computers: In particular, a whole lot of "cybersecurity" isn't about computers and their security so much as it is about telecommunications infrastructure and its management and control.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 10:42, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Pile of broken programming-language templates

There's a whole bunch of half-finished wrapper templates for syntax highlighting of example code in various programming language, at Category:Programming typing-aid templates.

They're mostly in the sorry state that Template:D-lang is in, with broken categorization, no documentation, misuse of large font size, and just malfunctioning – they do not respect whitespace, yet line breaks cannot even be forced with <br />.

I repaired some of the issues with a couple of them, like this in the template and this for skeletal documentation, before realizing they're all like this. I didn't resolve the whitespace problem in any of them. It appears to me that these serve no purpose and should be sent to WP:TFD, unless someone wants to make them work right: to issue the article category they're supposed to (actually it would be better to do a namespace test than the |notcat=y thing I did, on second thought), to have proper documentation, with the template category in that, and to do something sane with regard to whitespace. I think Sae1962 created most or all of them, and apparently got side-tracked (I know the feeling!). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ< 17:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Uniform binary search

Does anybody with any experience in programming have any idea whether uniform binary search is a notable enough technical term to need its own article? I'm running into problems doing a simple Google search because there seem to be some sources that refer to a normal "binary search" as "uniform" without necessarily meaning the topic depicted in the article. I don't know anything about programming so I can't tell the difference with any real certainty.

I'll do any legwork if there should be a merge or delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Overcategorization in Category:Programming languages

I just noticed that there appears to be some overcategorization in Category:Programming languages. Please comment at Category talk:Programming languages § Overcategorization in this category and help fix the issue if you can. Thanks, Biogeographist (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Linda Shapiro

The article Linda Shapiro has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

I don't believe that Professor Shapiro meets the basic notability guideline, of having "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." I looked through the top 50 G-Hits for "professor Linda Shapiro" and quickly realized that there are multiple subjects, found no independent reliable sources providing coverage, and got to the point where the three words were each appearing separately in the article instead of together.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. ★ Bigr Tex 02:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

What does it mean for a source to be "reliable and independent of the subject"? I understand one's personal webpage is not independent, but what about if a committee has them listed as a former chair -- is that not reliable or independent? Because if not I'm confused by that considering there are other articles of computer scientists where such sources are the few (or only) sources that are not written by the subject themselves. Derek M (talk) 03:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

For a professor the relevant notability guideline is WP:NPROF, not WP:GNG. People who meet NPROF are actually exempt from having to meet GNG, mostly because notable academics are rarely written about personally, and most of their notability comes from citations to or reviews of their work. You'd be perfectly justified to remove the PROD on that basis, especially if you have reason to believe the person passes NPROF. DGG knows NPROF better than most people know the alphabet so I have pinged him to have a look.

That being said...I think generally you can take a committee's own word for whether or not someone was a member or a chair. Same thing with a university saying someone is a professor there. That may not add much to notability depending on the individual committee or university. "Independent" when it comes to NPROF is more like, don't cite their own papers or publications to support notability.

And finally, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. There's no way to know how the PROD tagger came across this article specifically, nor does it really matter why they tagged this article and not others in the category. If the subjects of those other articles are not notable, they should be deleted. If they are, their sourcing should be improved. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. So if I am understanding you correctly, the proposal quoted the wrong criteria. We should instead be focusing more on whether this professor passes the "Average Professor Test." I am not in academia so I can't comment on whether a particular committee is notable or a particular award is "prestigious" enough for that criteria but I am glad to learn more about the process regardless. Derek M (talk) 04:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The criteria are in WP:PROF. They are much more specific than the "average professor test", which we have not used for years. Shapiro easily passes several of them. But the article as nominated was very bad, mentioning almost nothing about Shapiro beyond the name of her employer. It is understandable that an article in that shape was nominated for deletion, but the nominator also demonstrates a clear failure to understand the criteria for academic notability. I unprodded it and added some better information about her. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

depending on how one defines professor, using the so-called "average professor test" would make all associate professors and higher at any college notable; but our standards are higher, and I do not think anyone has advocated anything so broad with 1996 or so. With the actual WP:PROF standards the line is more at the level of all full professors at major research universities--but that's only a very rough indication, because the actual specific criteria need to be applied. (the clearest one here is IEEE Fellow, which is a major honor in the field) This is entirely indpendent of the GNG,, which does not have to be met; though it is usually could be met also, it would givevery erratic results in this area. DGG ( talk ) 14:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I know it is late in the day, and the IEEE Fellow entry wasn't in the article, but a quick 10 minute search would have shown she was a fellow, and they dont hand these out in lucky bags. I mean they really dont. scope_creep (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Foo

Question please. Is "Foo?" with a question-mark used in computing as a variant of Foo. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

I've never seen this in the wild. Languages like Ruby can have function names of the form foo?, typically used as predicate functions, so I suppose it is possible as a metasyntactic construct. --Mark viking (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Problem with bulkloading a B-tree

The B-tree article (version oldid=817371125, 28 December 2017) seems to have an interesting part in section #Initial construction, which is unsourced, incomplete and possibly original research. Please comment on appropriate way of resolving the issue at Talk:B-tree#Initial construction by bulkloading. --CiaPan (talk) 11:10, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Algorithms for generating uniform distributions

A common and well-studied problem is generating uniform random numbers mod $n$ , i.e. a random number $0 \leq x < n$ . I can't find mention of the common algorithms (rand32() % n, (uint64_t)rand32() * n >> 32, and the rejection techniques used to eliminate bias in the results).

Am I blind and this is already in Wikipedia somewhere?
Assuming not, where should it go? I'm not sure which is best among:
- Discrete uniform distribution
- Random number generation
- Pseudo-random number sampling
- A separate article like Draft:Algorithms for generating uniform distributions

Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks! 23.83.37.241 (talk) 03:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that these are popular techniques in practice to get a random number in

[0...n]

given the output of rand32 or a similar random function. However, what kind of encyclopedic content did you imagine we should have about them? To me, these just seem like code snippets, not notable algorithms. BenKuykendall (talk) 22:03, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@BenKuykendall: Well, algorithms are encyclopedic content. Including ones to generate probability distributions like the alias method and ziggurat algorithm and the Box-Muller transform. Mostly I want to talk about the bias, how it varies depending on the input size, how it differs between the modulo and multiplication algorithms (the fact that the overrepresented numbers are all at the low end with the modulo algorithm biases the mean more than the multiplicative), and then ways to eliminate it.

The actual inspiration was simpler: I came across Fast random shuffling and hadn't seen the algorithm there for debiasing the multiplicative technique. "I wonder if that's in Wikipedia?" And then I couldn't find any discussion of the entire subject, so I had to write more.

For my own future reference: How much bias is introduced by the remainder technique?

23.83.37.241 (talk) 01:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@23.83.37.241: Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to shut down your idea; I just want to make sure that other sources have talked about these sampling techniques. If you're still looking for sources, I recommend Knuth; he mentions the first technique in section 3.4.1 of TAOCP vol 2 and has some other citations. In terms of an appropriate article, I would lean towards adding a new section to Pseudo-random number sampling. Best, BenKuykendall (talk) 17:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of ACM Doctoral Dissertation Award

Hey all. Someone has nominated ACM Doctoral Dissertation Award for speedy deletion. Anyone here want to step in to the debate? I for one think ACM awards are significant in general, but I would appreciate hearing what you all have to say. Best BenKuykendall (talk) 17:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

For everyone's information, the issue of WP:Notability is still under discussion, but the WP:SPEEDY proposal (under A7) has been withdrawn; it's going through the long process while an editor is working to find references. 23.83.37.241 (talk) 03:11, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

With the wikilinks, you can see many of the winners/honorable mentions are notable (and many more need to be linked or added). I'm not trying to inherit to the award, but I think many gained notability from the award. I was wondering about how to improve the article. Should we always include the university's announcement of the award and/or third party mentions or just use the ACM list? Should we add the title of each thesis? StrayBolt (talk) 08:09, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of Academic genealogy of computer scientists

The deleted page was linked to on this project page and our to-do list. I removed the newly red links.

Any thoughts on how we can keep track of biographies of computer scientists without this page? I liked having the recently-changed link [[Special:RecentChangesLinked/Academic genealogy of computer scientists|Biographies of computer scientists]]. Any idea on how to maintain that functionality now?

(The Afd page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Academic genealogy of computer scientists) BenKuykendall (talk) 19:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I guess I resolved this by linking to List of computer scientists instead BenKuykendall (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

No "Computer History" category?

New to the WikiProject Computer science. I noticed there is no Computer History category listed as part of this WikiProject scope? I guess there might be many interesting articles. Floppy Disk, ENIAC, IE6, etc.

Xinbenlv (talk) 04:16, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a great deal of information about historic computation; much of it is organized in the Timeline of computing. BenKuykendall (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Xinbenlv: There is a Category:History of computing with a subcategory Category:History of computing hardware and multiple sub-sub-categories... --CiaPan (talk) 13:02, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Input needed at Talk:AV1

Hi there. A user is asking quite a lot of questions on this page that falls under the scope of this WP but I have no idea how to answer them. Could someone more knowledgeable have a look please? Regards So Why 07:26, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Cache hierarchy page could use some work

Just thought I'd pop up here and link to an article that could use some attention. Cache hierarchy needs some serious copy-editing, suffers from WP:Jargon, and is very intel-specific with few sources cited, lending itself to read almost like an advertisement for x86/x86-64 architecture design decisions. Figured any academics that are on here that want to research it or anyone knowledgeable about the subject might want to take a look at the article. I'm getting by just going through a section at a time and fixing the most egregious errors, but this is going to need more than a couple people looking through it. Rejewskifan (talk) 20:09, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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Various Computer Science/AI drafts

Over on WP:WPM we been working on identifying draft which come under our project and reviewing them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics/List of math draft pages. Part of this process involved finding draft which had mathematical of chemical equations in them. Quite a few of them come under your project and we have listed them at Wikipedia:List of draft pages on science and engineering. You may wish to examine these and see if any should be promoted to main space. --Salix alba (talk): 07:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Copy-edit to "Computing" article

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The disamb page for "Bot" shouldn't link to Computing Machinery and Intelligence. Right?

The disamb page for the word "Bot" includes a link to our article about Turing's paper Computing Machinery and Intelligence. The word "bot" apparently doesn't occur in that article.

This paper and the concept of "bots" might be related, but IMHO it's wrong to include a link to that article as an actual disamb of "Bot".

What say you? - 189.122.52.73 (talk) 02:42, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Input needed at Talk:Garden of Eden (cellular automaton)

Hi there. I noticed that Garden of Eden (cellular automaton) was unreviewed, and given the quality of it, I felt it was better to B-class assess it now than rate it C-class and it not get seen for a while. I've assessed all categories other than scope, but could do with a subject-matter expert to confirm whether it "reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies." Would someone be able to take a look at it? Thank you. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 18:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, I think it does (and probably qualify as a cellular automaton expert), but I have a COI, as I wrote most of the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:26, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

From my physics background I know something of cellular automata, but would not say I was an expert. I read through the article and some of the sourcing in some depth at the time of the RFC there and began to think of it as a good article candidate. As far as I can tell, it covers the field well and no obvious omissions or errors. In my opinion, easily a B class. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 03:09, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both. I've now updated it to B-class accordingly.

Done — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 16:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Help closing AfD

Some strangeness happened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toledo Nanochess. Could I entice somebody impartial who's both a programmer (and can thus understand the geekiness) and an admin (and is thus qualified to close the discussion) to take a look at it? -- RoySmith (talk) 15:49, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Not an admin, but it's a weird debate. I think most the votes are to keep, nominally a weak keep based on the chessbase and ICGA articles. Most participants appear to be making a joke of the code in the article. Their votes are also explained in English. I would recommended to ignore the code as it's not written to be valid. Instead take whatever inference is possible from the English in the debate. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

There is no article about web shell on Wikipedia so i created a draft regarding web shell

I am surprised that there isn't already one. And I talked to another Editor who was also surprised. I am here to ask for help to improve that article and I do believe that some of you will certainly help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Web_shell

I have copied the most of the draft from a US government website https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/alerts/TA15-314A I know that United States copyright law does permit re-use. But my problem is that it addresses the reader and offers opinions and advice. Can any willing editor help me to fix it ? Eatcha (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

UPDATE i fixed the "addresses the reader and offers opinions and advice" Eatcha (talk) 09:17, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC

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Human Interaction Proof

Was wondering if someone from this WikiProject would mind taking a look at this new article and assssing it. It looks like a first attempt at writing an article by a new user. Subject matter seems quite technical, and it reads more like an academic paper than a Wikipedia article. I tried to do some basic formatting cleanup, but perhaps someone here is familiair with the subject matter and can help with the phrasing, etc. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

The article contains a huge fork of CAPTCHA, which must be trimmed mercilessly. That done, we may take a closer look whether it is OR or covered somewhere else. Unfortunately I cannot do this due to computer access impairment.- Altenmann >talk 05:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Missing deep learning topics

Articles about many notable deep networks are not created. --Sharouser (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Weird Article alerts behavior

Why is Pareto efficiency listed under PR but the discussion link is broken? Qzekrom (talk) 02:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Boldface for computational complexity classes

In computational complexity theory it's traditional to denote complexity classes by short, inscrutable, boldface, all-capital abbreviations. Of course (as a project and an encyclopedia) we have to decide what is right for us. At the moment our articles are split between boldfacing complexity classes throughout (e.g., RE, AM, UP, PH, ⊕P, PP, ♯P, IP, ZPP, BQP, NC, L) and leaving them in standard type (e.g., EXPTIME, R, P, NP, PSPACE, APX, AC⁰). It would be nice to have a style guide imposing uniformity (or at least admitting to the current lack thereof).

Thoughts?

CRGreathouse (t | c) 07:06, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Prefer normal weight. Boldface might be fine in a textbook, if you have complete freedom to choose other style elements. In a Wikipedia article it's too overloaded. --Trovatore (talk) 07:59, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I'd be okay with sans-serif (in particular the LaTeX command \mathsf), as that's the convention used by many papers/textbooks. I don't think we should use boldface, per the reason given by Trovatore. Enterprisey (talk!) 03:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm happy with just one vote, if it's Trovatore's, but I'd like to have somewhere to point to other than this Talk page before I start making changes. Is there a good subject-specific MOS somewhere? - CRGreathouse (t | c) 01:08, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Enterprisey (talk · contribs) that \textsf is the most common convention (e.g.

{\textsf {NP}}

instead of NP or NP); but for Wikipedia articles, this may be too distracting. I would be fine with normal weight text in running text, and \textsf inside of formulas on their own lines. I do think, per CRGreathouse (talk · contribs), that we should add this to an MOS -- perhaps a new section in Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Manual of style? BenKuykendall (talk) 17:33, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

First choice for me is normal weight text font. Second choice is \textsf in a math formula. (I have different publications with different choices of these conventions, and in my own publications prefer \textsf but here I think the convenience of normal text outweighs the visual distinctiveness of \textsf, which is anyway much smaller than usual because most Wikipedia display styles use sans-serif body text.) Far behind either of those is bold. But behind even boldface is the current mess of sometimes bold and sometimes not. We should standardize this. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

If "inscrutable" is a term of art regarding fonts, it's one I've never come across... Do you mean "sans-serif" ? Regarding the question, I too would favour normal text font; \textsf is fine within a formula, but frankly I don't give a hoot, so long as it's clear what is meant, and it's consistent *within an article*. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 19:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

@Gamall Wednesday Ida: I believe the "inscrutability" is due to the overwhelming number of (perhaps unfamiliar) initialisms; not due to the way we typeset them. This issue is perhaps avoidable, if we commit to referencing complexity classes by name (e.g. non-deterministic polynomial time instead of NP) but I do not think this would be a good policy. Wikipedia already has guidelines about the use of acronyms: MOS:ACRO (in summary: write out all but the most common acronyms in full in the first usage). BenKuykendall (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Complexity class names like EXP and PSPACE are not acronyms. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Or rather I don't see how they are more -- or less -- inscrutable than any other jargon. I'm also not convinced that spelling them out -- even on first usage -- is likely to be useful; especially for the most common ones. If the reader cares AND they are not familiar with NP yet, then they need a lot more than a few extra words (that were already available on mouseover anyway) to understand what NP actually means. Actually, in the case of NP, I imagine that many, many, *more* people might know the class just as "NP" rather than as "non-deterministic polynomial time". For something more esoteric like ⊕P... that's certainly a class I for one didn't know, and "Parity P" helped me naught in guessing its definition. So yeah, I've trouble imagining a likely usecase where spelling them out might be useful. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 02:42, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

AfD on Harald Tveit Alvestrand

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Nomination of Portal:Haskell (programming language) for deletion

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Quote_notation: overly optimistic

The article on "Quote_notation", although sort of interesting, is overly optimistic on the usefulness of this notation for general computation with fractions. There is an obvious problem that the length of a quote notated fraction is linear in its denominator, often even close to it.

This optimism is already there in the original article.

For example, the suggestion is that subtraction of two quote notated number is "just subtract". Here a bad counterexample: To subtract 1/19 from 1/17 (giving 2/323), you compute 2941176470588235'3 - 894736842105263159'9, and after subtraction you get a number with a repeating part of 144 digits, ending in ...4334365325077'4

This is not easy by any stretch of the imagination. However, the notation is still an interesting thought experiment, so I would suggest not to remove it, but just make it a bit more realistic.

Software Lifecyle for Mobile app development

Agile is best methodology for software development but when I closely work in Agile methodology I got so many problem in testing phase because in agile methodology the testing phase in not much important and also the clients continuously ask for changes which crate the difficulties in development because we create the test plans and cases acc. to client requirements but when requirements changes then it consumes so much time that why can develop one life cycle which makes the mobile application development easy I have structure and plan but I need some one who can help me If any one intersted please mail me : spatial763@gmail.com

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What is a suitable secondary/independent work for the purposes of notability of a language?

Stifle speedy-closed some recently POINTy AFDs. While I agree that they were POINTy, it wasn't obvious to me that the AFDs had no merit. For the particular AFD I noticed, Monkey X, I went and took a moment to see what exists to see what can actually be cited for the purposes of meeting the WP:GNG. I found a small section of a book where the language is used as an example, a how-to program in the language book, an article where the language is used to explore game design, and then trivial mentions elsewhere (nothing of interest in Google, GNews, Gbooks, Gscholar). None of these strike me as rising to the requirements in the WP:GNG.

I am, of course, less interested in the specifics of the case. I'm much more interested in the kinds of works that show a language's notability. --Izno (talk) 21:40, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

It is a good question. From my observations at language AfDs, beyond the requirements of multiple, in-depth, independent RS, the kinds of sources that gain the most traction with other editors are those written "out of universe", that is, sources that write about the language as a separate entity. Such sources might describe the history of the language, what kind of language it is in the pantheon of languages, and what its unique or notable features are. The sources might compare and contrast a language with other languages, or give a history of major applications of a language. They might discuss language standards or standardization efforts. They might discuss the influence of the language on other languages. Sources like this avoid being dismissed as just WP:NOTHOWTO-forbidden manuals. One challenge of the field is that the best sources may be written by the creators. It is sort of absurd that The C Programming Language by K&R, a book with a big impact itself, doesn't technically contribute toward notability of the C language. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 00:15, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I make no comment on the notability of the underlying articles, but to the extent it isn't implied, if you wish to renominate in good faith any of the articles I speedily kept, you are welcome to do so. I did not speedy-close all of the AFDs; where I felt there was justification or other people had weighed in some were left open. Stifle (talk) 10:49, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@Stifle: Oh yeah, no worries. As I said, I understand speedy-closing them in this instance. :) --Izno (talk) 13:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry guys, I am new to Wikipedia projects. Who should i contact to get this [1] draft reviewed? It's been months. Cheers --MLvisualizer (talk) 09:37, 30 July 2019 (CET)

Issue about Bubble sort page

Hello,

I have recently made some changes to the page Bubble sort, explaining that for some authors (e.g. on CLRS book) Bubble sort is different from the one presented now in Wikipedia, because it does not include a test to check if the array is already sorted, which implies that the time complexity is quadratic ( $O(n^{2})$ ) even in the best case, while the version presented in Wikipedia now has linear best-case time complexity ( $O(n)$ ).

But my edits were reversed by a single user. Then, I created a section in Bubble sort's talk page so that we could discuss about that. But, unfortunately, people didn't participate on it. Therefore, I would like to invite you to take a look at it and add your comments there. My main goal is to decide if we should include or omit that information about that version of Bubble sort used by some authors. So, if you can, please, go there and let's discuss. Thank you very much.

--Lp.vitor (talk) 10:41, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Turing PPT

(Originally posted to talk:Turing completeness, where it got no responses)

A while back, Tom Wildenhain wrote a paper for SIGBOVIK (a parody conference at which computer scientists get to post academic jokes and be silly) about PowerPoint being Turing-complete. This circulated online and has, more than once, been cited in our article on Turing completeness. I have removed it, and left a commented-out warning because, well, SIGBOVIK. However, it occurs to me that this deliberately-silly paper may nonetheless be scientifically valid.

I am completely unqualified to judge whether this actually is the case. I recognize many jokes, but other parts could be serious?

Could anyone who genuinely understands the topic read Wildenhain's article and determine the extent to which it can be trusted? Thanks. DS (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, it seems that we can really simulate Turing machines with power point, which implies that any program that can be computed by a Turing machine can also be computed by Power Point. However, there is no formal proof in that joke paper (as expected, since formal proofs would be boring). Therefore, I suggest that we don't cite it.

As a side note, I would like to say that actually, Power Point being Turing-complete would not be surprising result, since it is a very complex program that can, for instance, process conditional statements and "action links" between slides (which is probably sufficient to perform loops)... Moreover, there are much less complex things that are Turing complete, like Game of life.

--Lp.vitor (talk) 07:10, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Note...

Does anyone think that Computer Science has reached it's highest ground level? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killershark101 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Grammar/meaning question from "Adaptation (Computer Science)"

The text "the potential user groups are not known a prior, but need to be identified according to future scenarios" appears in the page Adaptation (computer science), under the first section ("The need for adaptation") as part of a bullet. Maybe I don't know enough about the English language to recognize it as something else, but "a prior" sounds to me like an attempt to write "a priori", as in A priori and a posteriori, which I'm not sure is meaningful outside of analytical philosophy. If that is the intended usage, the typo should be fixed, the a priori article should be linked, and the sentence should be reworded to capture what it means——possibly in a way that removes the phrase "a priori" altogether. Is it supposed to communicate that potential user groups aren't known at the beginning of the software engineering cycle? Even substituting "a priori" for "a prior", I'm at a loss.

--Beaker Bytes (talk) 15:13, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the problems. Your understanding is correct--in this context, a priori means at the start. I have rewritten the passage to clarify the prose. See if it helps. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 18:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

New Page - Vienna Center for Logic and Algorithms

Hi! I am mapping Austrian computer science scene. I have created a new wikipedia article about Vienna Center for Logic and Algorithms, which was co-founded by Helmut Veith (1971-2019). The article is still in review, and it needs editors. Do you know someone who could review the article? Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Terrenus (talk • contribs) 14:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

A link: Draft:Vienna Center for Logic and Algorithms. --CiaPan (talk) 20:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

GraphBLAS Article - Review and Improvements Requested

Hello WikiProject Computer Science! I'm one of the authors of the draft article on GraphBLAS. It's akin to the BLAS, but for graph algorithms and operations. It's been stuck in the review queue for a while, so I was wondering if I could recruit some help in 1) Improving the article and/or 2) Getting it approved and out of draft. Thank you so much for your help! --ScottKolo (talk) 21:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Lua

Hello everyone. Would anyone be interested in starting a WikiProject Lua? If so, sign your username at User:E Super Maker/WikiProject Lua Consensus.

E Super Maker (😲 shout) 01:11, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Proof of space hierarchy theorem

There seems to be an issue with the proof given in the article on Space hierarchy theorem. See the talk page of that article. Hermel (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Database Project: More eyes, less bugs

There is several messages on Database Project Talk page about whether to merge back that project into this project. Even if 2 people added their name recently, the project is inactive at best. What do you think? --i⋅am⋅amz3 (talk) 08:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Response to "vague" in the definition early in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_element

I agree with the label, FWIW.

Recommended: Add a clause at the end of the sentence so the end reads, "document or web page, typically an opening HTML tag (HTML Tags still applies), a closing HTML tag, and everything between."

This wording is consistent with my own experience and with these and other URLs: ^[1] ^[2] ^[3]

Recommended: Near the end of the article, after the text "|title=HTML Tags", and in the field "access-date", change "2009-03-28" to "2020-01-16" (or whatever later date you process this).

Several places in the article indicate this source remains useful. I agree. Further, it's comforting we can point to such foundational documents as having continuing value.

SoftwarePM (talk) 21:59, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

References

@SoftwarePM: I tried to improve the description a bit. Please see the result: Special:Diff/936903302. If you also want to look at accumulated changes I made, they are available here. --CiaPan (talk) 21:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC); updated 07:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Uniquely inversible grammar

Hi could anyone with a knowledge of natural language processing please take a look at Uniquely inversible grammar? It’s been unsourced since 2005. I can see that sources exist and the subject is notable, but not sure how relevant or accurate the current article is or what the best sources would be. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 10:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Idea for new community workspace

Hi. I would like to create some kind of collaborative workspace where coordinators or members of various WikiProjects would gather and provide updates and information on what is going on at each wikiproject, i.e. regarding their latest efforts, projects, and where interested editors can get involved. For those of you at this very active WikiProject, your input would be very helpful, so I wanted to get your input on whether you'd be interested in helping me to make this happen.

we are discussing this proposal right now at:

* Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Idea for new community workspace

Please feel free to let me know what you think of this idea, and please let me know your preference, regarding the options below. if you do not see any need for this idea, that is totally fine. However, I think that the majority of editors lack awareness of where the truly active editing is taking place and at which WikiProjects, and I would like to do whatever I can to help make people more aware of where the activity is, what they can do to help, and also which areas of Wikipedia offer ideas and efforts that might help them in their own editing activities. Please feel free to let me know.

Would you be interested in an idea of this nature?
If so, which option below seems most feasible to you?
- Create a new page/talk page at the existing WikiProject Council, where members of various WikiProject can gather to offer updates, information and ideas on the latest efforts at each of their own WikiProject, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Town Hall.
- Create an entirely new WikiProject with an inclusive name such as
- Create a new collaborative page or forum, but not as a new WIkiProject, i.e. with some name like
  - Wikipedia:Town Hall or
  - Wikipedia:Water Cooler
- Create a new sub-page in my own userspace, such as User:Sm8900/Town Hall
- Create a subpage at an umbrella-type WikiProject that already covers a broad topical area, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject History/Town Hall

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 19:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Proposal

I found this WikiProject on the talk page of Computer programming which I am proposing a WikiProject for. If you would like to support this proposal, please consider signing in the support section. Thanks! --RH9 09:23, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

ACM: Open Access to ACM Digital Library During Coronavirus Pandemic

...
We believe that ACM can help support research, discovery and learning during this time of crisis by opening the Digital Library to all. For the next three months, there will be no fees assessed for accessing or downloading work published by ACM. ... the ACM DL is now open, and will continue that way through June 30, 2020.

RDBrown (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with draft article Draft:Evolutionary automata

Can I get a real help from competent Wikipedia editors, e.g., the anonymous editor who added Example section to our draft? The submission did not have luck with the last two editors, where it looked that the draft was close to publishing. Please re-review the draft on evolutionary automata by specialists from computer science or evolutionary computation. Thanks for your help.

Eeberbach (talk) 16:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

You keep using the term "our" despite saying only one person edits from your account and you've yet to disclose as per WP:COI. Can you please clarify? Praxidicae (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is similar to a sailboat. It's not possible to steer the boat into a certain direction, but what the user has to do is to predict the existing trend. The question is not how to convince the opponent to create edits in a certain draft, but the question is, what will the opponent do next by himself. The prediction is, that draft articles from the domain of biographies and companies have a high amount of participation. That means, each day many of these articles are generated from scratch and transferred into the main space. While articles with a background in hard science and especially with recent AI theories are not attractive for most wikipedia editors.

Again, the question is not how to change this trend, but the question is if this trend is valid or not. I think so, and the outcome is, that the amount of edits taken in the Draft:Evolutionary automata article are low in the future. In case of doubt, no edits at all are created, because it takes time to prepare and upload an edit. The amount of Wikipedia editors is limited and the amount of edits they can create too.

Perhaps it make sense to describe the situation from an abstract point of view. The initial question was a request for more resources to edit a certain draft article. That means, it was an request from the outside to Wikipedia for doing a certain task. Now we can estimate how long does it take until the request is fulfilled. Perhaps an example from the past make sense. Last month, i created a draft article for an article request which was created 10 years ! ago. That means, in the year 2010 somebody had asked Wikipedia to do a certain action which was to convert an article wish into an article, and it took until the year 2020 until a stranger (me) has fulfilled the request.

I'm sure, that in the case of the Draft:Evolutionary automata it will take less than 10 years. The short term goal is to prevent a G13 deletion of the article. That means, once in every 6 months, somebody has to create a formal edit in the article to prevent that an admin beliefs the article is abandoned.

And a short note for the end. The main reason why it's a bit complicated to transfer an Artificial Inteligence draft into the main space is because the total amount of AI Drafts is low. I have counted only 25 of them, which are waiting in the draft space. If an admin will move them now into the main space, nothing has improved.--ManuelRodriguez (talk) 11:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

‎Cataloguing programming language constructs

Hey there,

I'm looking for comments / additions / re-arranging of this template. The point is to review programming language constructs (this being a somewhat vague term encompassing both practical aspects like specific types, and conceptual aspects like type systems) without duplicating other templates. François Robere (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Problem with computer network page

Could someone help with the computer network page. Telecommunications technicians are forcing that computer networks are a subset of telecommunications networks and that they are not part of computing. Please join the discussion here:

Regards, Et4y (talk) 02:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

CFD: proposed renaming of Category:Computer science by century + subcats

I have proposed renaming Category:Computer science by century to Category:Computing by century, along with 100 sub-categories for computer science by year and by decade.

The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 May 17#Computing_by_time, where your comments will be welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Deep Blue (chess computer)

Deep Blue (chess computer), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Mz7 (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Tomas Cerny

Hello there - seeking some guidance please on whether or not Tomas Cerny (professor) is notable per WP:NACADEMIC, based on @Tomcerny:'s list of achievements here. If he is I am happy to create a stub and sort out disambiguation from Tomáš Černý. Giant Snowman 07:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Resolved at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(academics)#Tomas_Cerny ~Kvng (talk) 14:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Use of Watson (computer) at Bambino Gesù Hospital

Hello! On behalf of IBM as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I've submitted an edit request to add mention of Watson's use at Bambino Gesù Hospital to the article's Current and future applications section. I've provided specific text and sourcing, but one editor has suggested perhaps I've proposed too much detail about John Kelly (the "father of Watson") in my request and asked that I find other editors to take a look. Would any other editors be willing to review my proposed text and update the page if appropriate? Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason (talk) 14:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking for help writing an article based on an academic paper

I wish to summarize the findings of this paper about a computational model into this article, but lack the technical knowledge to do so. If someone could help that would great..--22:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Where should the apostrophe go?

Where should the apostrophe go:

A new-ish computer-graphics sense of "mura"

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Mura#Another meaning. We seem to be missing an article. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Missing article about digital circuit theory

There is a missing article about digital circuits theory (or computing circuits theory) as the study of this circuits, known as digital logic circuits or computing circuits - abstract models of computation independent of their physical implementation. Nowadays it is widely used in electronics, but it can be (and was) realised as mechanical, electromechnical or even biological circuits (see also: unconventional computing). This field is closly related to automata theory, computational logic and computer architecture. It is divided into the study of combinational logic circuits and sequential logic circuits (see also: digital-logic-circuits.html). I have some knowledge on the subject, but too little fluency in English. Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Et4y (talk • contribs) 21:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of InnerSloth for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article InnerSloth is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/InnerSloth until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite (talk) 13:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

"Internet" vs. "internet"

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:Internet#Request for comment: should "internet" be capitalized as a proper noun?
There's some debate there about the difference between "the Internet" and "an internet", about what a proper name is, and about whether news style guides (cf. WP:NOT#NEWS policy) should be considered reliable for how to write about technical topics. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 14:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Enumeration reducibility: Proposed Article

Enumeration reducibility is a requested article in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Logic page, I am looking to hear the opinions of others on this article I am now proposing. Has it been discussed in the past? Is it deserving of its own article, or should it be merged with other studies of reducibility relations at reduction (recursion theory)? It is also mentioned in Kleene's recursion theorem. Thanks. Redactedentity (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I see a lot of Scholar hits on this term so it is likely deserving of a stand-alone article. ~Kvng (talk) 16:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Camera tracking vs. match moving

The Camera tracking article was recently merged into match moving, but these articles seemed to describe two different concepts: the camera tracking article was about the process of locating a moving object using a camera, but the motion tracking article is about the process of combining footage from two different scenes. Was this merge done incorrectly? Jarble (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Jarble, Camera tracking was last changed in 2006. It looks like the merge was done properly back then. ~Kvng (talk) 16:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Kvng: "Camera tracking" is a somewhat ambiguous term: it can also refer to video tracking, which is a different problem. Should the page redirect to "Motion tracking" instead of "match moving?" Jarble (talk) 17:52, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Jarble, the first Google hits on "camera tracking" are about Motion tracking. The term may sound ambiguous but it does not appear that it actually is. ~Kvng (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser

Sandbox Organiser

A place to help you organise your work

Hi all

I've been working on a tool for the past few months that you may find useful. Wikipedia:Sandbox organiser is a set of tools to help you better organise your draft articles and other pages in your userspace. It also includes areas to keep your to do lists, bookmarks, list of tools. You can customise your sandbox organiser to add new features and sections. Once created you can access it simply by clicking the sandbox link at the top of the page. You can create and then customise your own sandbox organiser just by clicking the button on the page. All ideas for improvements and other versions would be really appreciated.

Huge thanks to PrimeHunter and NavinoEvans for their work on the technical parts, without them it wouldn't have happened.

Hope its helpful

John Cummings (talk) 11:37, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Cheman Shaik up for deletion

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
Cheman Shaik (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs|google) AfD discussion

Indian inventor. Question of notability and sourcing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Artificial Intelligence

To anyone interested in improving Wikipedia's coverage of Artificial Intelligence, please support the WikiProject Proposal: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Artificial_Intelligence. Thank you! Burritok (talk) 20:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation for Serverless

Is this the place to discuss a compsci disambiguation page?

Serverless redirects to Serverless computing, which only gives a single, more modern meaning. I think it should instead be a disambiguation page.

There is a big difference between classic and modern serverless computing, and plenty of examples of the classic sort.

From what I read on Disambiguation this needs discussion somewhere before jumping in.

Dan Shearer (talk) 15:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

@DanShearer: a disambiguation page may be needed if there are multiple articles that cover the term. Serverless computing is one article. What are the others? ~Kvng (talk) 13:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kvng: I was thinking more that "Serverless" traditionally means "local" or "embedded", and so references embedded databases, whether SQlite or ISAM or Firebird Embedded . The same SQLite page I referenced had a 2007 version using ordinary terminology for the time, before the meaning now used in wikipedia. Perhaps instead of a disambiguation page, the distinction should be to use the term "server-less"?

@DanShearer:, OK but there are apparently no existing Wikipedia articles covering this meaning of the term. If you think it is a notable topic, maybe create a stub article and then we can talk about a disambiguation page. ~Kvng (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

network

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Alfred Aho (Turing Award)

We are looking to clean up the article on Alfred Aho to make sure the description of his work is accurate and cited properly. Your help would be most welcome. Joofjoof (talk) 08:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

AlphaFold, transformer networks, and "attention mechanisms" in machine learning

Given the recent "milestone scientific breakthrough" being hailed for AlphaFold for its results in the protein structure prediction problem at CASP 14, which is believed to use two transformer networks as a key core of its design; and the use of transformer networks also in computer vision, I've left the following at Talk:Transformer (machine learning model), but am re-posting it here, in case anyone with a recent background in machine learning / deep learning / artificial intelligence can help.

On that page I've asked whether "we could try to present what transformer networks are trying to do in a more general framing perspective, wider and more general than their use in NLP."

In AlphaFold#Algorithm I've written that the transformers

"effect a mathematical transformation of [the elements of two feature-vs-feature matrices].
These transformations have the effect of bringing relevant data together and filtering out irrelevant data for these two relationships, in a context-dependent way (the "attention mechanism"), that can itself be learnt from training data."

I'd be grateful for input as to whether I've got this more or less right?

Are transformers therefore doing a similar sort of job to bottleneck networks, autoencoders, latent variable extractors, and other forms of nonlinear input transformation and dimensional reduction techniques? (Though there's obviously more to it than that). But might be useful to try to identify if there are similarities and differences?

As a final point, it's clear that we could use an article on attention (machine learning), aka attention networks, aka attention mechanisms. Some of the following, found by Google, look like they may be relevant, but it would be good to get at least a stub created by someone who knows a bit about it.

Would anybody feel they could help with this? Jheald (talk) 15:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Are references/input still needed for this? I've been working with recurrent neural nets for quite a while and have piled up some links that might be helpful (although some may be rather dated...) --Idemperialism (talk) 21:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Category:Science articles needing expert attention

You are invited to participate in a discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Science#Category:Science_articles_needing_expert_attention about the following articles:

Microscope image processing
Music information retrieval
Anisotropic diffusion (and it would be good to change the name to anisotropic diffusion filter).
15 articles primary about other disciplines. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 14:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

[1] Shafee, T; Das, D; Masukume, G; Häggström, M (2017). "WikiJournal of Medicine, the first Wikipedia-integrated academic journal". WikiJournal of Medicine. 4. doi:10.15347/wjm/2017.001.

[2] "Wikiversity Journal: A new user group". The Signpost. 2016-06-15.

[3] ttps://www.w3schools.com/html/html_elements.asp

[4] ttps://www.tutorialrepublic.com/html-tutorial/html-elements.php

[5] ttps://www.computerhope.com/jargon/h/html-element.htm

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 We are looking to clean up the article on [[Alfred Aho]] to make sure the description of his work is accurate and cited properly.  Your help would be most welcome. [[User:Joofjoof|Joofjoof]] ([[User talk:Joofjoof|talk]]) 08:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
+== [[AlphaFold]], [[transformer (machine learning model)|transformer networks]], and "attention mechanisms" in machine learning ==
+Given the recent "milestone scientific breakthrough" being hailed for [[AlphaFold]] for its results in the [[protein structure prediction]] problem at [[CASP]] 14, which is believed to use two [[transformer (machine learning model)|transformer networks]] as a key core of its design; and the use of transformer networks also in computer vision, I've left the following at [[Talk:Transformer (machine learning model)]], but am re-posting it here, in case anyone with a recent background in machine learning / deep learning / artificial intelligence can help.
+On that page I've asked whether "we could try to present what transformer networks are trying to do in a more general framing perspective, wider and more general than their use in [[natural language processing|NLP]]."
+In [[AlphaFold#Algorithm]] I've written that the transformers
+<blockquote>"effect a mathematical transformation of [the elements of two feature-vs-feature matrices]. <br />These transformations have the effect of bringing relevant data together and filtering out irrelevant data for these two relationships, in a context-dependent way (the "attention mechanism"), that can itself be learnt from training data."</blockquote>
+I'd be grateful for input as to whether I've got this more or less right?
+Are transformers therefore doing a similar sort of job to bottleneck networks, [[autoencoder]]s, [[latent variable]] extractors, and other forms of nonlinear input transformation and dimensional reduction techniques? (Though there's obviously more to it than that).  But might be useful to try to identify if there are similarities and differences?
+As a final point, it's clear that we could use an article on [[attention (machine learning)]], aka [[attention network]]s, aka [[attention mechanism]]s.  Some of the following, found by Google, look like they may be relevant, but it would be good to get at least a stub created by someone who knows a bit about it.
+* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIiwuClvH6k&vl=en-GB Attention and Memory in Deep Learning]
+* Lilian Weng, [https://lilianweng.github.io/lil-log/2018/06/24/attention-attention.html Attention? Attention!]
+* [https://blog.floydhub.com/attention-mechanism/ Attention mechanism], FloydHub
+* Buomsoo Kim, [https://buomsoo-kim.github.io/attention/2020/01/01/Attention-mechanism-1.md/ Attention mechanism]
+Would anybody feel they could help with this?  [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|talk]]) 15:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
+:Are references/input still needed for this? I've been working with recurrent neural nets for quite a while and have piled up some links that might be helpful (although some may be rather dated...) --[[User:Idemperialism|Idemperialism]] ([[User talk:Idemperialism|talk]]) 21:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
+==Category:Science articles needing expert attention==
+You are invited to participate in a discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Science#Category:Science_articles_needing_expert_attention]] about the following articles:
+*[[Microscope image processing]]
+*[[Music information retrieval]]
+*[[Anisotropic diffusion]] (and it would be good to change the name to anisotropic diffusion filter).
+*15 articles primary about other disciplines. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 14:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)