Talk:Melania Trump

Advocacy for Women's Rights

In her 2024 memoir, Melania, former First Lady Melania Trump articulates a clear pro-choice stance on abortion. She emphasizes that "a woman's fundamental right of individual liberty, to her own life, grants her the authority to terminate her pregnancy if she wishes." Melania argues that decisions regarding pregnancy should be made by the woman herself, free from governmental intervention or pressure. She underscores the importance of individual freedom, stating, "Without a doubt, there is no room for compromise when it comes to this essential right that all women possess from birth."

This position represents a significant and impactful statement in light of the controversies Melania Trump has faced over her years in public life, often viewed as aligned with more conservative, traditionally Republican stances. Melania's stance positions her as an advocate for women's rights, showcasing her belief in empowering women to make their own decisions and defending their individual liberty. This shift reflects her commitment to supporting personal freedom, which she highlights as an inherent right.

Despite the criticism she has endured, this statement from her memoir affirms her perspective as more progressive and supportive of women's autonomy than many might have expected. It redefines her role not only as a former First Lady but as a voice for women's empowerment and an advocate for their fundamental rights. PrinceAyd (talk) 03:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also probably want a secondary source. Cannolis (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

First Lady New Tenure

Good morning or afternoon depending when you’re reading this,

Please I don’t think it’s right for Melania to be referred as First lady since 2025 yet, i mean anything might happen between now and then.

I think she should just be referred as the spouse to the President for now, until Biden leaves office.

Thanks! SferaEbbasta87 (talk) 12:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Could we instead use in the interim the term 'First Lady-designate'? 202.53.38.49 (talk) 13:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2024

The instances where “first lady” are in lower case should be corrected to “First Lady”. It is an official title, and should be presented as such. 90.240.200.64 (talk) 16:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

 Note: It's not an official title. M.Bitton (talk) 18:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

The full "First Lady of the United States" is generally considered a title and hence capitalised. The shorter "first lady" is a more difficult case, but per MOS:JOBTITLE and judging by usage in sources, I think it should be determined on a case by case basis. In cases where it's used as a shorthand for the full FLOTUS title to refer to its holder, it should be capitalised. In cases where it's referring to first ladies in general, it should not. In ambiguous cases... dunno, flip a coin or something. Either way, I don't believe it's worthwhile combing the whole article (and potentially all articles of former first ladies if we were to standardise) to correct such a trivial thing. Liu1126 (talk) 19:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

That’s rather annoying, but I appreciate you going into more detail than M. Bitton did. I wanted to add that, if the community were to decide to make the standard version capitalised, then surely it would only take around an hour to change all instances of “first lady” throughout Wikipedia, just use the Find and Replace feature. Right? 90.240.200.64 (talk) 16:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it would still be a relatively large operation, but editors are no stranger to these things (we once spent two and a half years manually cleaning up over fifty thousand problematic redirects; in comparison this would be small potatoes). The key issue is that a change on this scale requires a fairly high level of consensus that would only be achievable through a discussion at an overarching WikiProject like WP:BIOG or WP:POLITICS or even through a request for comment. Liu1126 (talk) 17:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

It’s not a job title, I’d even argue it’s a mode of address Thank you for your explanation , Liu. I think the joint effort would be better spent on an article about the position and title itself, and their use and evolution , and role creep. i myself have often wondered why the spouse of a president (i’m using the verb) should be called the First anything, especially in a democracy User:Jabberwoch (talk) 17:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 23:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Move Good article listing from 'History' to 'Social Sciences and Society'?

I am not sure if this is the correct platform to raise this question in, but I shall anyways. Currently, Melania Trump is listed in the 'History' Good Article Listing category and under the 'Historical miscellaneous' subsection. However, in the 'Social Sciences and Society' category and within the 'Politics and Government' category there is a more accurate subcategory present of 'Spouses of heads of state and heads of government'. Would this not be a more accurate listing for her to be placed in? 24.155.0.146 (talk) 23:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

avoid first name basis?

I noticed that the article uses her first name "Melania" almost throughout the entire article like "Zampolli urged Melania to travel to the United States ...". Not sure what is the convention but perhaps it would be good to call her "Knavs" or "Knauss" until 2005 when she married Donald Trump. The article semi-reflects the name changes as it calls her "Melanija" in the Early Life section. I see how it's a bit of prosaic liberty in the sections dealing with the relationship with Donald Trump, where he is also referred to as "Donald" to avoid confusion but in many other areas, I think it would be better to call her "Trump", just as Jill Biden, e.g. "Biden lent her support to USAID's FWD campaign, ..." or from Michelle Obamas article "Obama met with Queen Elizabeth II in ...". Not to harp too much on this, but influential women are more often called by their first name.Hiko (talk) 14:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

After having written a couple dozen first lady articles, I've found that this is the least confusing way to do it. If someone's far-more-famous spouse is frequently mentioned in the article, then it only throws the reader off to use the name that's more commonly associated with the spouse. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)