Jump to content

User talk:DGG: Difference between revisions

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Content deleted Content added
 
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Deceased Wikipedian}}
<div style="background-color:#cff; padding:10px 10px 10px 10px; text-align:left; width: 90%; margin:0 auto 5px auto">If you enter a message on this page, I'll reply on this page to avoid fragmenting the discussion, so be sure the page is added to your watchlist. If I've left you a message on your talk page, I will be watching it, so you can just as well reply there rather than here. It doesn't matter where, but centralized is better. </div>
{{User talk:DGG/ArchiveheaderMain}}
[[/Archive 1 Sept-Dec. 2006]]
{{nobots}}


== Your talk at 16 Years of Wikipedia ==
== Benoît Gréan ==


Heard your [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia_Day_2017#Lightning_talks |lightning talk]] just now. I support both the "Radical solutions to promotional paid editing" proposals you announced on notability and restrictions on anon editors around companies newer than 1999 foundation. Are there some written proposals to refer to? - [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 20:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Could you please please help me ... remove the incorrect accent from the first e in the name [[Bénoît Gréan]] and make it [[Benoît Gréan]] ???
:::there will be--one of the reasons I gave the talk was to get some feedback about just what to propose, and I am already getting some. Watch this space tomorrow. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 20:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
([[User:Klaus rabe|Klaus rabe]] 18:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC))
::::Sounds good. I will evangelize to the communities I'm part of, as soon as there's something to show them. - [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 20:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{tpw}}Hi, DGG! I'd like to hear that too. Link? [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 22:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
== Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot ==
[[File:Wikipedia Day NYC Jan 15 2017 - 09 Lightning Talks I.ogv]]
:::Video from the lightning talks is now available via Commons. DGG's lightning talk is the first one, proposal #1 is detailed at 2:15 and #2 at 3:00. - [[User:Brianhe|Brianhe]] ([[User talk:Brianhe|talk]]) 06:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
== Passing of David Goodman ==


David Goodman, [[user:DGG]], [https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/nytimes/name/david-goodman-obituary?id=51598596 passed away Thursday April 6, 2023]. David was active in many parts of Wikipedia and had hundreds of collaborators, including in-person outreach with Wikimedia New York City. I am coordinating an obituary for him with Wikimedia NYC and ''The Signpost''. Anyone who would like to coordinate in developing this may directly edit [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/DGG obituary|DGG obituary]], but please bring discussion to [[Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom|''The Signpost'' newsroom]]. I will later replace this development message with the link to the obituary. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Bluerasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 16:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
[[User:SuggestBot|SuggestBot]] predicts that you will enjoy editing some of these articles. Have fun!
* Another great gone. This is devastating. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 16:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
{|cellspacing=10 style="background-color:transparent;"
*Heartbreaking news. He was a great editor, administrator and former ArbCom member. And a very nice person. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
|-
*Terrible news. [[User:Vaticidalprophet|<b style="color:black">Vaticidal</b>]][[User talk:Vaticidalprophet|<b style="color:#66023C">prophet</b>]] 17:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
|valign=top|
*Undoubtedly one of the most important and prolific editors in the history of the site. As BD says, another great one gone-- rest in peace. [[User:Moneytrees|Moneytrees🏝️]][[User talk:Moneytrees|(Talk)]] 17:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
;Stubs:<!--'''[[Wikipedia:Stub|Stubs]]:'''-->
*Horrible news - a huge editor so many of us interacted with over so many years. <3 [[User:Nosebagbear|Nosebagbear]] ([[User talk:Nosebagbear|talk]]) 17:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Colon classification]]
*Very sad news, may David rest in peace. -- '''[[User:LuK3|<span style="color:#DC143C"><span style="font-family:Verdana">LuK3</span></span>]] [[User_talk:LuK3|<span style="color:#000080"><span style="font-family:Verdana">(Talk)</span></span>]]''' 17:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Research library]]
*Truly one of our finest editors. He will be much missed. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 17:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Journal of Theoretical Biology]]
*This is extremely sad to hear. I've always respected David as a member of Wikimedia NYC. Even though I only met him in person once, he was very knowledgeable, humble, and just a great person to be around. His passing is a great loss to all of us. &ndash; [[User:Epicgenius|Epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 17:13, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Russian State Library]]
*DGG was a fount of institutional knowledge on this project. This is such a huge loss.-- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">'''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 17:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[PLoS Medicine]]
*That's... I have no words. DGG was the best of us. He will be missed. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 17:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Evolution (journal)]]
*Rest easy David :( — [[User:TheresNoTime|TheresNoTime]] ([[User talk:TheresNoTime|talk]] • they/them) 17:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[PLoS Biology]]
*Rest in peace, David. A great contributor to the project, he will be missed. :( [[User:Tails Wx|<span style="background:#FFDF00;color:#0000FF">'''Tails'''</span>]] [[User talk:Tails Wx|<span style="color: orange">'''Wx'''</span>]] 17:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Private library]]
*A fine editor and fellow Wikimedia NYC member has left us. His hard work will be greatly missed; my sincere condolences to his friends and family. <sup>[[User:ComplexRational|'''<span style="color:#0039a6">Complex</span>''']]</sup>/<sub>[[User talk:ComplexRational|'''<span style="color:#000000">Rational</span>''']]</sub> 17:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Scopus]]
*I'm devastated. Ever since my early steps on WP, David was there to guide and counsel me. I learned so much from him, I feel orphaned. Rest now, my friend. --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 17:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[On the Tendency of Species to form Varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection]]
*A huge loss to Wikipedia. We met in person once, over a decade ago now. We didn't always share the same opinions but I always respected your calm and considered contributions to discussions. You will be missed. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ&nbsp;Mitchell</b>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]] 17:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Distributed library]]
*This is quite sad to hear, and a major loss for the community. Condolences to his family. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 17:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Relief print]]
*Rest in peace, David. The English Wikipedia and Wikimedia NYC won't be the same without you. You will be missed! <span style="font-family:sans-serif">&mdash; <span style="font-weight:bold">[[User:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:black; font-style:italic">MusikAnimal</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:MusikAnimal|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]</sup></span></span> 17:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Journal of the American Chemical Society]]
* Rest in peace. I remember you being a good presence throughout the Wikis. You will be missed. [[User:Soni|Soni]] ([[User talk:Soni|talk]]) 17:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[List of journals available free online]]
* Those loss of a great Wikipedian. Was great working together over the last decade. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 11:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Cell theory]]
*Very sad news. He was a trove of knowledge from whom I learned so very much. His enthusiasm in rescuing old and abandoned drafts from being lost to G13 was unmatched. – [[User:SD0001|<span style="font-weight: bold; color: #C30">SD0001</span>]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 17:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Social Science Research Network]]
* Very sad to see this. Rest in peace, David. [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 17:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Spermatozoon]]
*This is very sad news. Condolences to the family. [[User:Dreamy Jazz|Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">'''Jazz'''</i>]] <sup>''[[User talk:Dreamy Jazz|talk to me]]'' &#124; ''[[Special:Contribs/Dreamy Jazz|my contributions]]''</sup> 17:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
|align=top|
* I was fortunate enough to serve with him on the Arbitration Committee in 2015, and while we did not always share the same opinions his views were always well argued and originated from a deep desire to do what was best for the project and its editors. This news has come as somewhat of a shock so I'm still processing it, but it is definitely clear that he will be sincerely missed by many people here including me. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 17:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
;Cleanup
* Rest in peace David, it was a pleasure working with you.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 17:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[John Louis DiGaetani]]
* So sorry to hear about this. A great and knowledgeable editor who will be sorely missed. --[[User:David Tornheim|David Tornheim]] ([[User talk:David Tornheim|talk]]) 17:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Neuroscience]]
* A great loss. David was erudite, kind, driven, and nurturing. It was always a pleasure to speak with him in person. He will be missed. [[User:Ijon|Ijon]] ([[User talk:Ijon|talk]]) 17:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Sydney Brenner]]
* David was one of the Wikipedia editors and admins I respected the most. Even when I disagreed with them, his insightful comments always made me stop and think and wonder if he was actually right after all, and his knowledge about academic subjects might well be one of the best Wikipedia has ever had. I know he worked closely with {{u|Kudpung}} on trying to bring out the best in the NPP / AfC procedures, and that's another thing he'll be missed for. I never met him but I got a chance to meet face to face and chat briefly at one of the NY meet-ups when they were online - I wanted to talk about NPP / AfC a bit but I was distracted by other things, so never got the chance. A sad loss :-( [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
;Merge
** Just looking at the last thing David ever did on Wikipedia, spotting [[Weizenbaum Institute for the Networked Society - The German Internet Institute]] as a declined draft, recognising it as notable, and passing it through AfC into mainspace. To me, that gives a huge indication to the enormous positive effect he had on Wikipedia. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:24, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[ProQuest]]
* One of the very best in our community. I feel this loss personally as David was incredibly helpful to me in my early days as a novice editor. My deepest condolences to his family, friends and loves ones. May his [[Memory eternal|memory be eternal]]. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 18:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Religiopoiesis]]
* Rest well, DGG, you've lived a great life and your memory surely will be a blessing! [[User:Kingoflettuce|<span style="color:black; font-family: copperplate gothic bold; font-variant: small-caps">'''KINGofLETTUCE 👑'''</span>]] [[User talk:Kingoflettuce|🥬]] 18:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Statistical thermodynamics]]
* This is tragic news. I had the privilege of meeting David ten years ago at Wikimania, where we shared a session. I appreciated his vast knowledge of the movement and his keen insights into Wikipedia culture. His wisdom will be greatly missed. [[user:guillom|guillom]] 18:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
;Add Sources
* One of Wikipedia's best. [[User:Paul Erik|<span style="font-family: Comic sans MS;">Paul Erik</span>]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Paul Erik|<span style="color: Blue">(talk)</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Paul Erik|<span style="color: Green;">(contribs)</span>]]</sup></small> 18:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[American Memory]]
* Rest in peace David. Condolences to all friends and family. -- [[User:KTC|KTC]] ([[User talk:KTC|talk]]) 18:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Telavi]]
* I am deeply saddened by his departure and I think the loss is vast. Condolences to his family and my sympathy for the NYC community. --[[User:M7|M/]] ([[User talk:M7|talk]]) 18:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Nucleic acid]]
* May his memory be a blessing. --[[User:Guerillero|Guerillero]] <sup>[[User_talk:Guerillero|<span style="color: green;">Parlez Moi</span>]]</sup> 18:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
;Wikify
* I will miss David's gentleness, his directness. A model administrator and effective teacher, User:DGG's edits will endure. I hope his family learns he was a widely respected wikipedian, an exemplar. [[User:BusterD|BusterD]] ([[User talk:BusterD|talk]]) 18:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Processed Book Project]]
* God bless and R.I.P. I can't believe we are losing so many editors this way. [[User:Scorpions13256|Scorpions13256]] ([[User talk:Scorpions13256|talk]]) 18:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[The Journal of Vaishnava Studies]]
* Devastating. David was one of my favourite editors of all time. He brought so much knowledge and energy to this project and yet was always humble. I will miss him greatly. [[User:Clayoquot|Clayoquot]] ([[User_talk:Clayoquot|talk]] <nowiki>&#124;</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Clayoquot|contribs]]) 18:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[Enterprise content management]]
* Sad to hear. A wise and omnipresent contributor who will be impossible to replace. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 19:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
;Expand
* So saddened to hear this news. David often managed to persuade me to reconsider my opinions on a lot of matters, both editorial and administrative. He was one of the most respected functionaries, and we will always be aware of his absence. He was a formidable man, editor, administrator, functionary, and a walking educational resource. May his memory be a blessing. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 19:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[The Journal of Negro History]]
* Painful to hear; we have suffered a great loss to this project. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span>]] 19:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[List of British entomological publishers]]
* DGG was a lion of librarianship, editing, opinion, New York, and pretty much everything he touched was warmed and affected by him. He gave immense credibility to Wikipedia through his professional experience, and he took sharp views on issues that caused immense controversy. I hope he's enjoying a bagel with all too much schmear. [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]<sup> [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]</sup> 19:31, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[History of copyright law]]
* David could always be counted on to see users as real people, and not to accept conventional wisdom on face value. He will be greatly missed. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
|}
*An outstanding, kind, and generous person. I had the great pleasure of meeting him in real life several times. I will remember him and miss him. תנצב״ה. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
*A huge loss. I liked and respected DGG immensely. Deepest condolences to his family. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 19:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* This is very sad news. DGG was an immensely valued contributor here, and his loss will be felt. My sincere condolences to his friends and family. <span style="font-family:'Tahoma'; color:#005494">[[User:Giraffer|Giraffer]] <sup>([[User talk:Giraffer|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Giraffer|contribs]])</sup></span> 20:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* DGG was the reviewer who [[User talk:Curbon7/Archive 2019#Your submission at Articles for creation: J. P. C. Emmons has been accepted|accepted my very first article]] almost exactly 4 years ago and got me going down this path. [[User:Curbon7|Curbon7]] ([[User talk:Curbon7|talk]]) 20:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* Aw no. Incredibly valuable editor – rest in peace. '''[[User talk:J947|<span style="color:#137412;">J947</span>]]''' † <sup>[[Special:Contributions/J947|edits]]</sup> 20:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* I didn't know him all that well, but our paths crossed quite a few times across my Wikipedia career. I always thought him to be a kind and knowledgeable editor, who made well thought arguments without letting his passions get in the way. Wikipedia needs editors like him and he will be missed.[[User:Moabdave|Dave]] ([[User talk:Moabdave|talk]]) 20:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* David, it breaks my heart to hear of your passing. You are not just a rock of the Wikipedia community in New York City and beyond, but also a dear friend whose insight and advice have always been well appreciated by myself and others. I and others will always miss you, and may your memory and legacy always be a blessing for the Wikipedians of today and of the generations to come. {{lang|es|Que descanse en paz siempre}}, my friend. --[[User:Sky Harbor|<b style="color: #0066ff">Sky Harbor</b>]] <sup>([[User talk:Sky Harbor|<b style="color:#0066ff">talk</b>]])</sup> 20:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* Oh wow, this is a shock. I served with David on the Arbitration Committee a couple of times, and knew him to be a person of great integrity and thoughtfulness. His presence on Wikipedia will be greatly missed. [[User:AGK|AGK]] ([[User talk:AGK|talk]]) 20:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* I admired David for his wisdom, persistence, and kind spirit, and I will miss him a lot.--[[User:Ragesoss|ragesoss]] ([[User talk:Ragesoss|talk]]) 20:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* It is said that no one truly dies until their name is forgotten. David's name will live on in the minds and memories of everyone who worked with him on this project. It was an honor to work with him as an editor and to serve with him on arbcom - he was always reasonable, kind, and intelligent. With love, &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 20:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
*:that is beautiful. Thanks @[[User:Premeditated Chaos|Premeditated Chaos]]. This one hits hard. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 01:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Rest in peace. I agree with PMC about in that you die twice. The beauty of Wikipedia is your legacy is perfectly preserved in pages' history and log entries. I imagine people will see your name and the positive impact of your edits for a long, long time. Rest easy, David.<span id="HouseBlaster:1681160880343:User_talkFTTCLNDGG" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|Blaster]]<sup>[[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]]</sup> 21:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)</span>
* Awful news. DGG was important to Wikipedia in countless ways and will be sorely missed. One of the greats. Condolences to his family. [[User:Pichpich|Pichpich]] ([[User talk:Pichpich|talk]]) 21:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* I'm sad to read that you're gone &mdash; have enjoyed the interactions that we've had, both in person and online. --<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;"> [[User:Daniel Mietchen|Daniel Mietchen]] ([[User talk:Daniel Mietchen|talk]]) </span> 21:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* Oh, this is bad indeed, I'm deeply saddened. He was an outstanding editor whose lead I often tried to follow and example I aspired to emulate. We didn't always agree, but he was never dismissive and always ready to explain his point of view. I will miss him (and only now realise that he's been missing for a while already). In case any of his family or friends are reading this, I send you my heartfelt condolences and we could like you to know what an important figure he has been in this strange microcosm of ours. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 22:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
*Deeply saddened by news of David's passing. He would have disagreed with much of my outlook, but it was precisely the integrity of his character and close judgment one could intuit in his comments which earned my admiration. One needs such interlocutors, and his passing is a great loss for us all.[[User:Nishidani|Nishidani]] ([[User talk:Nishidani|talk]]) 22:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
*I'm always literally grateful to wake up every day. To see that DGG has left us is devastating. I echo somewhat the sentiments above. We die a few times, I think. First one we physically stop, secondly when people stop remembering and talking about us. But for DGG at least there's a third stage, whereby his contributions will persist. I '''hate''' losing decent people, even those I have never met. But I'm also grateful that their earthly gift will continue way beyond their earthly presence. RIP David. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] <small>([[User talk:The Rambling Man|Keep wearing the mask...]])</small> 22:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* My condolences and best wishes to David's family and friends. '''[[User:Andrevan|Andre]]'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">[[User_talk:Andrevan|🚐]]</span> 22:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* Very sad news. I know a few English wiki admins, DGG being one of them. —[[User:Yahya|<strong><span style="color: #000;">Yahya</span></strong>]] ([[User talk:Yahya#top|<span style=" color: #360;">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yahya|<span style="color: #306;">contribs.</span>]]) 23:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* This is devastating news. David was a great editor, one of our best. I have always respected his work with AfC and with academics and academic subjects. A major loss. May he rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talk]]) 23:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* You'd be hard-pressed to find a regular contributor who has ''not'' been positively impacted by DGG's extended reach as a dedicated and even-handed Wikipedian. I had the pleasure of working with them closely in 2020 during a very weird time in the world. My heartfelt condolences to family, friends, and colleagues. DGG's impact endures. –[[User:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana;color:#000">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:#000">talk</sup>]] 23:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
* Devastating. One of the best editors I knew. I greatly respected DGG for their work, commitment and caring demeanor. Extremely sad. My condolences to his family and friends. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 00:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* I am so sorry to hear this. David was a major influence on me in my early Wikimedia days, and I was always happy when we were able to work together. --[[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> 00:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*A special friend, my mentor, a beautiful human being. I am heartbroken. Words cannot express the loss and sadness I’m feeling. Grateful that he was able to see his first grandson. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 00:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Absolutely gutted to get home from holiday travel and read this. A true mentor and guiding light. David was one of my first friends here, one of the few Wikipedia editors I met in person and the only one I ever spoke with on the phone. We FaceTimed when I returned to active editing and the pure joy in his voice about his grandson were a true light in an upside down world. Our coverage of academic topics will be lesser for your loss. Rest well my friend. You are missed. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 01:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Absolutely awful to hear--David was one of the best of us, and I hope his family knows how highly he was regarded in this community. [[User:Alyo|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Alyo</span>]] ''([[User talk:Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>]])'' 01:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* This is such sad news. David's contribution to the project is incredible, both in terms of what he did and how he did it, but what always struck me most about him was the way he carried himself at live events and at online events. Despite his achievements in the community and in his professional life, he always showed up ready to listen and learn. He was one of the people I truly admired in our community, and it's a sad loss. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] ([[User talk:Guettarda|talk]]) 01:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* The best ones always leave far too soon. DGG, wherever you may be now, rest easy. Your physical manifestation may have left, but your contributions and your impact to the great communities you have been in shall live on until time itself ends. — [[User:3PPYB6|3PPYB6]] <sup>([[User talk:3PPYB6|T]] / [[Special:Contribs/3PPYB6|C]] / [[Special:Log/3PPYB6|L]])</sup> — 01:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* This is a huge loss to the community, and I'm sure an even bigger loss for his family. I'm sorry to see David go. He was was one the best contributors - as much for his wise advice as his edits - that the community has had. I wish his family the best through this difficult time. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 02:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*David was a great person and a great Wikipedian, I had the pleasure of meeting him in person on two memorable occasions. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 02:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*DGG was a Wikipedia stalwart. It is hard to imagine Wikipedia without him. He was the admin most people went to with questions, as seen by the history of his talkpage which always filled up so rapidly. Even though he was scaling back recently, I cannot imagine what will fill the void he leaves. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 02:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*So sorry to see this. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rs]][[User talk:Rschen7754|chen]][[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|7754]]''' 02:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*I saw that there was an obituary in the upcoming Signpost and was devastated to see it was about David. This is terrible. He was one of the first Wikipedians I met in real life way back in 2014. I came to him often with questions about DraftWorld and he was always patient and helpful. Most people probably don't know this but until last year, David regularly came to the expiring draft page and "rescued" promising drafts some of which were improved and made it to main space. I've been working with expiring drafts for a few years now and, believe me, there are very few editors who spend their time improving other editors' drafts unless there is an existing relationship between the two editors, like through a WikiProject. It's a very selfless activity to spend time on improving a new editor's work. But I think what I valued most about David was his integrity, he was a true believer in Wikipedia and what it stood for. Even when I disagreed with him about certain points, I admired his unwavering belief in the value of this project. I will miss him. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 03:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*A staggering loss for Wikipedia, DGG was always one of the editors I wished I could emulate. To family and those who knew him personally, my deepest condolences. [[User:78.26|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:red; padding:1px;background:1h5h1h; color: #008B8B;"><b>78.26</b></span>]] <sub>([[User talk:78.26|spin me]] / [[Special:Contributions/78.26|revolutions]])</sub> 03:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Saddened to hear about this; few have contributed so much to the project. [[Special:Contributions/74.73.224.126|74.73.224.126]] ([[User talk:74.73.224.126|talk]]) 04:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Very saddening news. Rest in peace, and my condolences to the family and friends. [[User:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#202122;font-family:Trebuchet MS">Anarchyte</span>]] ([[User talk:Anarchyte|<span style="color:#202122">talk</span>]]) 05:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Rest in peace, Mr. Goodman. You were a role model to me over the years, a true leader, modest and honest. Respect. Thank you for all. [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User_talk:Vejvančický|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Vejvančický|contribs]]) 06:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* DGG was one of the most well-known and well-respected members of our community. We have lost one of our best editors. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 06:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*: Just wanted to expand on this a bit, as DGG crossed my mind again today. There is one particular thing that he wrote which has had a profound effect on my approach to community-wide discussions on Wikipedia—and perhaps a bit in real life as well: I encourage everyone to give the section of his user page called "''I do not attempt to convert my opponents--I aim at converting their audience.''" a read. It's the last part under [[User:DGG#How Wikipedia Ought to Work]]. In a discussion with many participants, it is often futile to try to convince individual participants to change their views. Instead of confronting your opponents directly, DGG suggests stating your opposing view with the goal of convincing ''future'' participants in the discussion, the ones that have yet to form a view and will be weighing your view versus your opponents. It is those participants you need to target in order to have the biggest impact. And if the outcome of the discussion doesn't go your way today, that's fine. At least you have stated your view today, so that future editors looking back can read it and consider it in a new light. [[User:Mz7|Mz7]] ([[User talk:Mz7|talk]]) 09:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
* What a loss. He really was one of the leaders we never had. &ndash;&#8239;[[User:Joe Roe|Joe]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Joe Roe|talk]])</small> 06:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*RIP. I didn't know him that well but it's clear from his body of work and the tributes above that he was one of the greatest editors here. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 07:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Very sorry to hear this. I came across DGG through AfC reviewing and although I never met him (being resident in New Zealand and not in the habit of travelling to the US!) I wish I had. His edits and advice and decisions were always so wise and well-considered. He contributed much and is greatly missed. I hope his family reads these tributes and feels great pride. [[User:MurielMary|MurielMary]] ([[User talk:MurielMary|talk]]) 07:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* You will be missed. Rest in peace. Your good work serves as a foundation and will be built upon by the rest of us here. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 08:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Had the good fortune to meet and talk with at the Wikimania in Montreal - a kind and generous person, and will be sorely missed. Condolences to family and friends. [[User:JarrahTree|JarrahTree]] 10:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Wonderful man! My thoughts and prayers for his family. -- [[User:Dolotta|Dolotta]] ([[User talk:Dolotta|talk]]) 11:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Rest in peace. Wishing strength to the near and dear. Hope we can all continue to draw on his wisdom. [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] ([[User talk:Shyamal|talk]]) 11:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* rest in peace old friend. —usernamekiran [[User talk:usernamekiran|(talk)]] 11:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* We have lost a legend. The good effects of his hard work & wisdom will ripple on for a long time, perhaps forever. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 11:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Oh no! I'm so very sorry to hear this news about DGG. He was truly a great Wikipedian. It was wonderful to meet him at several WP events in in NYC over the years; I learned so much from him. My condolences go out to his loved ones. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 13:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Being born with the name Goodman is quite a start in life… well, David did live up to that name. I'm thankful to have "known" him here. Yes, may he rest in peace. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 14:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* My condolences to your friends and family. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:37, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*So sorry to hear this - the phrase "pillar of the community" is for once fully justified. I was lucky enough to have a good talk in Washingon at Wikimania 2012, and he was as wise and nice as you would expect. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] ([[User talk:Johnbod|talk]]) 14:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* So sorry to hear this. My condolences to his family and friends. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:#CC5500">Chequers</span>'' 14:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* Genuinely sad to hear this - I was fortunate to meet him at a couple of international Wikimedia events back in the day. He will most definitely be missed, although his impact and legacy will live on. [[User talk:Orderinchaos|Orderinchaos]] 15:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*For those of you who use UBX and would like to remember David that way, <nowiki>{{User:Pdebee/UBX/RemembersAbsentFriend|DGG}}</nowiki> now exists. Thanks {{ping|Pdebee}} for the tutorial for this novice. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 16:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*I am so sorry to learn this sad news just now, and send my heartfelt condolences to his family and friends.<br />Patrick. ツ [[User:Pdebee|Pdebee.]]<sup>[[User talk:Pdebee|(talk)]]</sup><sup>(become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old-fashioned!]])</sup> 16:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Of all the deaths of fellow Wikipedians I've experienced in over 15 years, David's is the most deeply felt, and that takes nothing away from other editors whose passings I have noted. For I knew David so well, not just here on-wiki, in his capacity as an arbitrator, administrator and (most importantly) a fellow editor (where his input never failed to uplift any discussion he added it to), but in person through not just many, many meetings of Wikimedia—NYC, but many Wikimanias he attended ... it was not only nice to see a familiar face, and hear a familiar voice, in London and Cape Town (among others), but when he did I felt proud to be part of WM-NYC, for he represented us so well through his presence and commentary/questions, his voice the same in person as it was online, always earning the respect it always got. He is one of the few Wikipedians whose house I have visited, whose spouse I met.<p>David never failed to set an example for all of us to follow, and should anyone want to organize some memorial event onwiki, preferably some sort of editing event, I would want to be taking part. His signature will no longer grace our pages anew, but his influence should be felt as long as there is a Wikipedia.<p>I leave with one personal anecdote. I was talking with him once about the way we do things, the way we resolve controversies, and the general collaborative spirit of the project, in some narrower context. I expressed the idea that the wiki way could spread to other areas of human endeavor and that that would be the greatest success of the project.<p>"The greatest success of the project" David replied, "will be when ''everybody'' does things this way."<p>I cannot think of any better epitaph. Rest in peace.</p> [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 17:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* David was one of the original and first "Wikipedia librarians", a professional who saw contributing to the encyclopedia as mirroring his professional work. He was irascible and funny, and loved to meet and talk with fellow librarians. We chatted often about libraries and Wikipedia, and how to bring the two closer together. He offered me space in his house to stay during the first WikiConference North America (and use of a metro card), and for all his gruffness he and his family were warm and welcoming. He was in every sense a great Wikipedian, librarian, mentor and friend. -- [[user:phoebe|phoebe]] / <small>([[user_talk:phoebe|talk to me]])</small> 17:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* My deepest condolences to the family, friends, and fellow Wikipedians of David Goodman, whose tireless dedication and passion for knowledge has left an indelible mark on the global community.[[User:Whoisjohngalt|Whoisjohngalt]] ([[User talk:Whoisjohngalt|talk]]) 17:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
* RIP, DGG. The wiki is that much poorer without you here. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 18:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*I am saddened to hear of David's passing. May those close to him find peace in this difficult time. --<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">[[User:Kinu|<strong style="color:blue">Kinu</strong>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User_talk:Kinu|<i style="color: red">t</i>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Kinu|<i style="color:red">c</i>]]</sub></span> 19:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*The best admin I knew. Condolences to all who knew him more. [[User:Peter Gulutzan|Peter Gulutzan]] ([[User talk:Peter Gulutzan|talk]]) 23:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*Extremely sad news. His work, passion and sense of humor will be missed. my deepest sympathy to his family and friends. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 00:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*RIP DGG. You were the best of us. I just stuck my head back in and was working up the courage to say hello and I was just too late to let you know how much I treasured all our correspondence and collaboration. I'm a better person for knowing you. [[User:Hiding|Hiding]] <small>[[User talk:Hiding|T]] </small> 00:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*I am so sorry to hear about the devastating news. My deepest condolences to the family. DGG's passing is a great loss to the Wikipedia community and all those who knew him. It's individuals like him who make Wikipedia such an indispensable resource for people all around the world. DGG's legacy will live on through the countless contributions he made to Wikipedia and the impact he had on those he touched. His great work and helpful nature impacted many, many people. He was a mentor and a source of inspiration for me. May his soul rest in peace. [[User:RAJIVVASUDEV|RV]] ([[User talk:RAJIVVASUDEV|talk]]) 02:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*This is deeply saddening news. My deepest condolences. '''[[User:L235|KevinL]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]] '''·''' [[User talk:L235#top|t]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 06:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*Very sad. I have had good interactions with him over the years on WP. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] ([[User talk:Bduke|talk]]) 07:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* This is tragic. David will be sorely missed. My condolences to his family. Hell, it felt like we were part of his family. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]] - [[User:JzG/Typos|typo?]])</small> 07:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* This is very sad, RIP DGG. A longstanding and invaluable contributor to the project. – [[user:filelakeshoe|filelakeshoe]] ([[user talk:filelakeshoe|t]] / [[special:contributions/filelakeshoe|c]]) [[user:filelakeshoe/kocour|🐱]] 08:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*I served on ArbCom with DGG, and of course spoke to him many other times as well. I did not always agree with him, but even when I didn't, it struck me how thoughtful and well-reasoned his positions were. We're going to miss you a great deal. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 08:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*Damn. RIP [[User:AirshipJungleman29|~~ AirshipJungleman29]] ([[User talk:AirshipJungleman29|talk]]) 11:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*He was a bright spot in one of my Wikimanias. Very sorry to see him go. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 12:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*DGG was the go-to person for notability of academics, a very tricky subject. I'll miss him. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 12:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* A wonderful person. Thank you. Rest in peace. [[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 14:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* Absolutely heartbreaking. A wonderful person both on and off Wikiepdia. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] ([[User talk:JoshuaZ|talk]]) 14:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* Wow, you were one of the best admins. Thanks for unblocking me a long time ago, though I might never create another account [[User:Yleventa2]] [[Special:Contributions/2620:8D:8000:1054:8F2B:FBEF:2E26:A552|2620:8D:8000:1054:8F2B:FBEF:2E26:A552]] ([[User talk:2620:8D:8000:1054:8F2B:FBEF:2E26:A552|talk]]) 16:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* Rest in peace [[User:Chiemezie Atama|Chiemezie Atama]] ([[User talk:Chiemezie Atama|talk]]) 16:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* A terrible loss. Condolences. [[User:Bruxton|Bruxton]] ([[User talk:Bruxton|talk]]) 20:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
* RIP big guy [[User:Red dwarf|Red dwarf]] ([[User talk:Red dwarf|talk]]) 00:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
* It is quite likely that without [[User_talk:Legoktm/September_2012#AfDs|your advice]] I wouldn't have passed RfA the next year and honestly still be here today. I am glad that I was able to finally meet you in person within the past year; I'm incredibly grateful for all the work you did to make Wikimedia NYC such a welcoming community and hope the rest of us can do your legacy proud. My condolences to your family. [[User:Legoktm|Legoktm]] ([[User talk:Legoktm|talk]]) 03:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
* Utterly tragic. While I was on staff, David was a touchstone - when I wondered the right path, more than once I asked myself if I could face him and explain it. A scholar, a gentleman, and a giant among giants. Perpetual light shine upon him. [[User:Philippe|-Philippe ]] ([[User talk:Philippe|talk]]) 07:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
* Shocked to hear about your passing. I think the legacy left behind will speak volumes about what Wikipedia represents. Truly a great loss. – [[User:The Grid|<span style="color:navy">The Grid</span>]] ([[User talk:The Grid|<span style="color:navy">talk</span>]]) 12:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
*You will be missed, sorely. My sincere condolences to family and friends. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 13:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
* One of the greats. Rest in peace. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<span style="color: black;">bibliomaniac</span>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<span style="color: red;">1</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]]''''' 17:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
*We’ll miss you, Mr. Goodman! [[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 19:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
*He will definitely be missed. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span>]]!</small> 20:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
* David and I became Wikipedians at almost the same time; my first edit was a few weeks before his, respectively in August and September 2006. Most of my contacts with David were long ago, when we were both highly active on AfD, and time and again I found myself supporting deletion while he supported keeping. As years went by, both of us underwent changes in editing patterns in different directions, and for many years now I have rarely encountered him, but when I have done so, I have found that very often he favoured deletion of pages where I preferred to keep. David himself has stated that over the years he moved towards being less of an inclusionist, and I suppose I have moved somewhat in the opposite direction. Consequently, I found myself disagreeing with him on a large proportion of the times when I came across him, one way or the other. However, he was always respectful and constructive, and his opinions, whether I agreed with them or not, were always based on rational grounds, and, despite our differences of opinion, I always had respect for him, and I believe that his death will be a major loss for Wikipedia. [[User:JBW|JBW]] ([[User talk:JBW|talk]]) 20:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
* המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבילי ציון וירושלים -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 02:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
* I’ve been doing this for a paltry eight years and feel like a newbie poser leaving this textual analogue of a votive candle or the most expensive cut-flower bouquet from my neighborhood Trader Joe’s. But DGG was the Wikipedian analogue of, in my “real” “world”, a long-serving, thoroughly intellectually reliable federal appellate judge whose name one sighed in relief to see on an opinion.
* I have a silly self-centered superstition about people who die within the same couple of days being in the same happy “orientation group” in the big fabulous university campus in the sky. I am so grateful that DGG is in the same “pledge class” with [[R.H.W. Dillard|one of my greatest influences and mentors]], and vice-versa, two off-the-charts-smart newbies in a crowded room, making friends with everybody from the Curies to Boswell and Johnson, Nabokov and Poe, Salk and Sabin, and Siskel and Ebert. Abyssinia. - '''[[User:Julietdeltalima|<span style="color:#006600;font-family:Century Gothic">Julietdeltalima</span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Julietdeltalima|<span style="color:#806000">(talk)</span>]]'' 07:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
* While I believe that [[Going Postal|nobody is truly dead while their name is still spoken]], it is sad, that from now on, we will no longer be able to speak with David or read his insightful comments and we are left with talking about what a great editor and all-around good person he was and seeing his countless contributions making Wikipedia a better place, hopefully for a long long time. [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 15:37, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*For so many years we butted heads from different perspectives but I don’t believe we ever genuinely failed to be on the same side and you never failed to treat me as a colleague. You may be gone but your friendship and sincerity will never fade. For so many of us, you were the best of us and we are better for you despite how diminished your passing leaves us. Rest peacefully my friend. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 17:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*One of the most patient, compassionate, and understanding people I've ever had the privilege of interacting with. This is very sad news. [[User:Kurtis|Kurtis]] [[User talk:Kurtis|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
* While I never interacted with you, Wikipedia has had a lasting impact from you, rest in peace. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] &#124; [[User talk:Zippybonzo|Talk]] (he&#124;him) 18:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*Are you kidding me? I had the honor of working with David on ArbCom some years ago and always found it a pleasure to collaborate with him. We lost another good soul. [[User:RickinBaltimore|RickinBaltimore]] ([[User talk:RickinBaltimore|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
* Wow, another great editor gone... May he rest in peace. <nowiki>{</nowiki>{ping&#124;[[User:ClydeFranklin|ClydeFranklin]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> ([[User talk:ClydeFranklin|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/ClydeFranklin|c]]) 20:27, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*Thank you, David, and rest easy. [[User:Tyrol5|<b style="color:#C75300;">Tyrol5</b>]] <span style="color:#848484;">▸</span> [[User talk:Tyrol5|<span style="color:#848484;font-size:80%;vertical-align:7%;">[talk]</span>]] 22:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*David was absolutely my first and most important mentor, well over 10 years ago. I still have a quote from him on my user page, in fact, one that helped form my way of engaging here. For me, it was a wonderful experience working with him. We had radically different ideas about life and politics, and it never got in the way because of the respect we had for each other. If anything, we both learned a little. You will be missed, old friend. [[User:Dennis Brown|<b>Dennis Brown</b>]] - [[User talk:Dennis Brown|<b>2&cent;</b>]] 23:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*May his soul rest in peace. '''''[[user:Idoghor Melody|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:blue; text-shadow:blue 0.9em 0.9em 0.9em;">Comr Melody Idoghor</span>]]''''' [[User talk:Idoghor Melody|<span style="color:Navy">'''''(talk)'''''</span>]] 23:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
*In remembrance of your great work and encouragement [[User:Vothlee|Vothlee]] ([[User talk:Vothlee|talk]]) 22:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
*A great editor and administrator... DGG made me a better editor back in 2008, and I have been a follower of his since, he will be missed... - [[User:Adolphus79|Adolphus79]] ([[User talk:Adolphus79|talk]]) 22:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
*Aw, man he was such an interesting guy. Will miss having him around. At least we still have his Wikipedia memories for all time. Thanks posterity. [[User:Huggums537|Huggums537]] ([[User talk:Huggums537|talk]]) 17:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
:*I learned a lot from him and already miss him. [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 17:49, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
*While we barely, if ever, spoke, I know of and have seen the great work he's done for the community. Rest in peace. -'''''[[User:Brainulator9|B<small>RAINULATOR</small>9]] ([[User talk:Brainulator9|TALK]])''''' 18:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
* On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, I attended the 2nd Annual Wiki-Conference at the Interactive Telecommunications Program at NYU. This was my first wiki event; that was when I met DGG.
: Immediately, I was struck by his knowledge, thoughtfulness, and demeanor. I also quickly became aware of the conviction of his beliefs.
: DGG applied his experience as a University Librarian to the much less mature world of Wikipedia and the diverse and sometimes conflicting interests of community members with respect, equanimity, and grace.
: DGG set a standard to which I aspire. His love of learning, teaching, and sharing was and remains an inspiration.
: I miss him.
: My sincere condolences to his family. --[[User:CmdrDan|CmdrDan]] ([[User talk:CmdrDan|talk]]) 19:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
* I really enjoyed listening to his point of view when we had 1:1 conversations at various events, the last time being August 2022 at New York City's Wikimania meetup. RIP DGG. I miss you. --[[User:Rosiestep|Rosiestep]] ([[User talk:Rosiestep|talk]]) 20:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
* I counted David as a Wikifriend. Reliable, knowedgable, friendly, direct, and effectve. Now I add "Missed" to the list. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 20:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
* How sad to lose such a wise, energetic, knowledgeable, and helpful editor. Condolences to his family. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 16:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
*How very sad, RIP... I never met David IRL so can't really say I knew him at all; yet, I bumped into him so many times here, and read so much by and about him, that I almost feel like I did, in a way. Clearly very knowledgeable, wise, and from everything I could gather, an all-round good person. He leaves a big void, and will be missed by many. --[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 16:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
*I am sorry to hear of the death of [[User:DGG]]. In his work as an editor and administrator, I found him to be wise and compassionate. To use a probably archaic phrase, he was a [[Chi Psi|true gentleperson]], a paragon of Wikipedia, and his conduct was an inspiration to many. [[User:Xxanthippe|Xxanthippe]] ([[User talk:Xxanthippe|talk]]) 00:51, 18 April 2023 (UTC).
*I'm very much saddened by this news. I've worked with DGG for years, and he was a titan amongst us. &#32;<span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 05:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
*Such sad news. He was a always thoughtfully passionate. -- [[User:Whpq|Whpq]] ([[User talk:Whpq|talk]]) 11:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
*DGG was one of those editors who made me feel so very assured I was making the right decision when he agreed with me, and made me question myself when he did not. His opinions and actions were reliably well-reasoned, articulate, and when necessary, compassionate. The community will be less for his absence. [[User:Someguy1221|Someguy1221]] ([[User talk:Someguy1221|talk]]) 00:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
*Very sad to hear this news. Condolences to his friends and family, and to all those in the New York Wikimedia community who knew him - it is clear from the tributes above and those in the obituary being drafted that he was much loved and held in great affection by those who knew him. I didn't know him as well as I would have liked (I knew him mainly through his on-wiki work and during a brief crossover point in arbitration), and don't believe I ever met him in-person (at least not properly), but he was one of the best of Wikipedians, working tirelessly to improve and advance the project. His erudition and professional background shone through in his work on Wikipedia, setting an example that will live on. RIP David. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 02:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
*Oh my man....nooooo So sad to hear your news. Oh my god. You are a great editor and legend administrator i knew. My condolences to his family and friends. Sorry i can't with my account bcs my wiki acc was lost. Pls reborn as a genius. RIP 💔. {{flag|Myanmar}} 06:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
* Very sad to hear this news. David was one of the greats and he will be missed. ''Shalom ve lehitra'ot''. [[User:Carlstak|Carlstak]] ([[User talk:Carlstak|talk]]) 13:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
*David was a rock, a mentor, and a friend, in that chronological order and in rapid succession. What a loss. Some people deserve a statue for their contributions to our beautiful project, and David is one of them. Through my talk page archive I see that we go back to at least 2009--in my memory he has always been there for me. Moreover, looking through those old interactions shows just how much I learned from him, and that he truly made this a better place, in terms of content and neutrality and verifiability (the man was a librarian, so of course!), but also in social terms. I met him at Wikimania in DC, we talked for a long time; last time we spoke over the phone was in the middle of the pandemic. I wish I had called him again after that. Ha, there he is, in my address book--"DGG". The name is a concept. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 14:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
*:YES. He's in mine as DGG Wikipedia, the only name he ever needed in my world. I believe the first time we met involved Greek food and I had some in his honor on Monday, although not the same restaurant. This is such a monumental loss. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 14:46, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
*Thank you and goodbye, DGG. '''[[User:Starship.paint|<span style="color:#512888">starship</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Starship.paint|<span style="color:#512888">.paint</span>]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|exalt]])''' 15:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
* I had known DGG since I was a child. Wikimedia NYC meetups were a wonderful escape from the dullness of my suburban childhood, and DGG brought tremendous wisdom and dedication to whatever he did, whether online or offline. His dedication is unimpeachable. I'm devastated. [[User:Harej|Harej]] ([[User talk:Harej|talk]]) 17:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
* I just heard. That is sad. I'll miss him greatly. I was really fond of him. He was one of most humane and rationale people I knew. I'll miss him. The family have my condolences. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">[[User:scope_creep|<span style="color:#3399ff">scope_creep</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:scope_creep#top|Talk]]</sup></span>''' 09:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


*Goodbye, DGG. Your example lives on. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 18:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. Your contributions make Wikipedia better -- thanks for helping.
*Sad news indeed and my condolences to DGG's family and loved ones. Arrivederci, DGG. [[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 21:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
*Sorry to hear that. Flowers and adieu. — [[User:DaxServer|DaxServer]] ([[User talk:DaxServer|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/DaxServerOnMobile|m]] · [[Special:Contributions/DaxServer|c]]) 07:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
*I mostly knew DGG from countless AfDs that we both participated in over the past 15 years; he was always thoughtful and considerate, including to me even when i used to like to go bonkers in AfD. Folks like DGG, being older than the average Wikipedian, show us (and showed me, because I needed to see it) that every day in life is a day we can be curious and contribute and enjoy.--'''[[User:Milowent|Milowent]]''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">[[Special:Contributions/Milowent|has]]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">[[User talk:Milowent|spoken]]</span></sup></small> 15:16, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
*A huge loss. DGG was a giant of the Wikipedia community. RIP -- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 15:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
*Farewell, DGG. Your support early in my Wikipedia experience was pivotal in my remaining here. You will be missed. [[User:FULBERT|FULBERT]] ([[User talk:FULBERT|talk]]) 22:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
* A thoughtful voice, this is a loss. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:18, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
* DGG's comments were perceptive, fair, reasonable and constructive; and he was improbably energetic to boot. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
* I'm sorry to see this. As a clueful and experienced editor DGG was someone I learned from in areas like COI and AfD. We have not always agreed on the handling of fringe material on Wikipedia, but like right now, he was sometimes on my mind as a precious editor and I went to check if he was still active. We have never met in person but I consider those who did to be fortunate. —[[User:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span>]][[User talk:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span>]] – 15:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
* [[File:Wikimedia New York City celebrates 20 years of Wikipedia.webm|thumb|center|400px|start=32:46|thumbtime=32:53|'''“The point of Wikipedia is not to do the social activism that's necessary in the world, but to provide the information that people can use who want to do social activism.”''' - Rest in Peace DGG, I was happy to have interviewed you.]] [[User:Victorgrigas|Victor Grigas]] ([[User talk:Victorgrigas|talk]]) 16:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
*I've only just found out about this. Sorry to hear, DGG. You were an excellent admin, ArbCom member and Wikipedian. Condolences to all who knew him here or in RL, particularly his family. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 15:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
*DGG was one of the first people that made me feel like I could be a part of Wikipedia. He was generous with his time and his wisdom. He was patient and bold and he taught by example. I am sad and shocked. I will miss him. [[User:JSFarman|JSFarman]] ([[User talk:JSFarman|talk]]) 23:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
*<u>D</u>id <u>G</u>reat <u>G</u>ood. Farewell, fellow New Yorker and virtual acquaintance. Thank you for making the world, and especially this space, a better place. '''[[User:StonyBrook|<span style="color: #617aa3">Stony</span><span style="color: darkblue;">Brook</span>]]''' <sub>[[User talk:StonyBrook|''babble'']]</sub> 10:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
:* I am so sorry to hear of DGG's passing. He was such a wonderful person! -- [[User:Dolotta|Dolotta]] ([[User talk:Dolotta|talk]]) 13:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
* What a loss, to his friends and to Wikipedia. I'm sad. Rest in peace, David. --[[User:Pgallert|Pgallert]] ([[User talk:Pgallert|talk]]) 17:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
* I was very sad to hear of DGG's passing. I learned a lot about how to approach Wikipedia from reading though his thoughts, expressed on his user pages and so many places through the project. To his family and close friends, my sincere condolences. May his memory be a blessing. [[User:Russ Woodroofe|Russ Woodroofe]] ([[User talk:Russ Woodroofe|talk]]) 16:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
* One of those editors whose comments in discussions were always worth reading, even in those long arguments when everything seems to be said and resaid a hundred times. I will miss seeing him at AfC and AfD. May he live on in his impact on the world, whether on-wiki or off. [[User:Rusalkii|<span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span>]] ([[User talk:Rusalkii|talk]]) 22:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
* Very sorry to hear this. I interacted with DGG many times without ever learning anything about him as a person. Great loss. [[User:Deb|Deb]] ([[User talk:Deb|talk]]) 12:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
* So sad to hear. I meet you in Articles for Deletion many years ago, as you are Inclusionist I also found myself trying to save and improve the articles before deletion. Good Bye David. [[User:Carlosguitar|Carlosguitar]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Carlosguitar|<sup>(Yes&nbsp;Executor?)</sup>]] 05:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
* Man are we lucky he wanted to spend his time with us. Thank you DGG. [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 07:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
* Sorry to hear of David's passing. Wikipedia has lost one of its best. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 10:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
* So sad, you will be missed. [[User:Jeepday|Jeepday]] <small>([[User talk:Jeepday|talk]])</small> 10:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
* The Wikipedia community is all the lesser for this loss. I will miss DGG immensely. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 10:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
* I just learned about this from the admin newsletter. I am so sorry to hear that you have passed away, DGG. You were an admin that I always looked up to and you will be sorely missed by the community as a whole. If your loved ones ever read this page, may they know that David's memory and contributions live on, as evidenced by his '''320,869''' edits. That is no small accomplishment. I am truly sorry for your loss and wish you all the best. Rest easy, DGG. --[[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 19:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
*I too just heard this unwelcome news. DGG made an immediate and lasting impact on me during my formative period when starting here. I recall how his old user page stated that he had found his life's work at Wikipedia. I recall how oddly that struck me then, and how natural it feels now. I miss this gentle soul, his imprint on the project will remain long. I think we all are lessened by his loss. [[User:Xymmax|<b>Xymmax</b>]] [[User_talk:Xymmax|<small><sup>So let it be written</sup></small>]] [[Special:Contributions/Xymmax|<small><sub>So let it be done</sub></small>]] 01:26, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
*So sad to hear of this news. I remember David well on here and I have learned a lot from his many insights into the project. Rest in peace. [[User:Patient Zero|'''Patient Zero''']]<sup>[[User talk:Patient Zero|'''talk''']]</sup> 22:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
* DGG will be missed. Condolences to his family. Not only was he great contributor but he helped many new and experienced users from near the beginning of this project. His work as an administrator has merited much praise not just for skill and neutrality but for his patient demeanor. [[User:Donner60|Donner60]] ([[User talk:Donner60|talk]]) 01:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
* So sorry to hear this news. DGG was always helpful, even when giving challenging guidance, a true professional and champion of quality in our Wiki world. Condolences to his family and friends, [[User:SeoR|SeoR]] ([[User talk:SeoR|talk]]) 19:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
* ''(belatedly)'' damn, never got the chance to meet DGG. Will miss him/farewell. [[User:Casliber|Cas Liber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 08:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
* I was very sad to hear of David's passing. Was a pleasure working him and was great meeting him in NYC a number of years ago. I send my condolences to his family.''[[User:NativeForeigner|NativeForeigner]]'' <sup>[[User talk:NativeForeigner|Talk]]</sup> 19:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
*Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, DGG. You will long be remembered for your hard work in helping newcomers, improving others' content creations and cleaning up the [[Augean stables]] of non-notable content, [[WP:COI|conflict-of-interest editing]] and [[WP:ARBCOM|ArbCom]] cases. — [[User:Bilorv|Bilorv]] ('''[[User talk:Bilorv|<span style="color:purple">talk</span>]]''') 19:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
* Goodbye David, the world and WP are a better place because of you. [[User:Desertarun|Desertarun]] ([[User talk:Desertarun|talk]]) 18:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
* I'm very sad to hear about your passing, David. I remember you as a very thoughtful and helpful person, who made Wikipedia a better place. Please find the editing tools if they are available. Cheers! -- [[User:Luk|<span style="color:#002BB8;">Luk</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Luk|<span style="color:#66BB00;">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
* Wow, this is the first I've heard of it. DGG was one of the greats, I haven't been this affected by a passing since Brian Boulton. {{lang|la|Requiescas in pace}}, fellow! –&nbsp;[[User:John M Wolfson|John M Wolfson]]&nbsp;([[User talk:John M Wolfson|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/John M Wolfson|contribs]]) 15:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
* Rest in peace. An esteemed and valuable contributed... thank you for the time you gave and shared with us. '''<span style="font-family:Lucida;">[[User:Aza24|<span style="color:darkred">Aza24</span>]][[User talk:Aza24|<span style="color:#848484"> (talk)</span>]]</span>''' 06:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
* Goodbye, Mr. Goodman, but thank you for everything you did when you were with us. [[User:Fakescientist8000|Fake]][[User talk:Fakescientist8000|scientist]][[Special:Contributions/Fakescientist8000|8000]] 00:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
* I've worked with DGG on and off Wikipedia but never met him in person. He will be missed. A guiding light in forming my Wikipedia worldview. Condolences to his family and to all that knew and worked with him here. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 03:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
*Very say when I checked your talk page and found this. Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia, and belated condolences to your family and friends. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 14:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
*I just came here to ping him for input on someting and I'm sorry to hear this. Obviously a lot of editors relied on his skills too. He will be missed! - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 00:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
* David, I am just now hearing of your passing, I am saddened by the news, while we only had the occasional interactions on wiki, you definitely have shaped the way I do things on the project, and you will be missed. Your skills, advice, and knowledge across many different areas will be missed greatly. My sincere condolences to his family, and friends. [[User:Zppix|Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ]] [[User Talk:Zppix|<sub>Talk</sub>]] 08:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
* Wow. Was unaware of this until now, but you made a substantial impact on me early on in my editing here. Interacting with you at AfC was one of the first significantly positive interactions I had on Wikipedia, and I owe you one for convincing me (whether you realized it or not) to stick around. Thank you. '''[[User:AviationFreak|AviationFreak]]'''[[User_talk:AviationFreak|💬]] 22:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
* Good heavens, just heard of this myself. DGG and I ... we collaborated, we clashed, we debated, but he was one of the Wikipedians I ''always'' respected and whose views were ''always'' worth taking seriously and mindfully. This is a loss to our project, but far more to his family and friends. Rest well, David. We won't see your like again. [[User talk:Ravenswing|'''<span style="background:#2B22AA;color:#E285FF"> '' Ravenswing '' </span>''' ]] 07:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
* I just saw this mentioned and immediately felt my heart sink. I have taken the last hour or so to look over all the messages here and there are so many describing interactions and discussions with David. I can't help but feel the immense sorrow flood in over the loss of this connection. So many messages about all of his accomplishments in editing here and it does remind us that editing is our chief purpose for being here. We build the encyclopedia to leave a lasting example for current and future generations and hope there will be those that will take up the torch once we pass. But David was so much more than just an editor. He had such a kindness and understanding and it only grew with his experience. So many of us lose sight of that and its easy to become jaded in such a complex world but David championed this cause and lead by example. No doubt each one commenting here has at least one interaction with David that reflects this over the years. His is a light that will never be extinguished because we carry it in our hearts and minds and will never let it go out. His Lifesong is forever a part of ours. David, you will be missed but not forgotten. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 16:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
* I'm another late arrival upon this somber news, and frankly surprised that I missed the shockwaves from this one. Unlike some of our other visible losses in recent years, I did not often run into DGG out in the wilds of content work--different areas of interest, I suppose. As such, I didn't have much occasion to converse with him and establish a huge degree of direct rapport. Even so, in community spaces I frequently saw him bring considerable insight and a thoughtful perspective to discussions, and over time his is definetly a name that I had come to associate with quality contributions and a considered, deliberate, and purposeful approach. He clearly put a lot of care into figuring out how he saw a given issue, and then even more consideration into how to relate that outlook. I honestly never saw him comment that he didn't seem like a steady hand, ever respectful of the consequences of his words and positions. These are qualities I respect not just in a Wikipedian, but in a person of good moral conscious, who makes themselves valuable to their fellow person. I'm heartened to see from the above that this worth does not seem to have been lost on the community as a whole: this is one community member whose example we should not soon forget. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color:#19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color:#66c0fd">n</b><b style="color:#99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color:#b2dffe;">w</b><b style="color:#B27EB2;">Rise</b>]][[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color:#d4143a"> let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 06:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
* Just found out, and it crushes me - a truly great man. TY for all you helped me with over the years. [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched|talk]]) 18:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
* I only just discovered this today... so sad. My belated condolences go out to David's family and friends. Thank you for your many years of service - rest in peace. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 22:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
* Terrible; only just found out. He will be missed. [[User:SamHolt6|SamHolt6]] ([[User talk:SamHolt6|talk]]) 13:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
* I'm saddended to see this, He was an amazing admin and editor - always polite, patient and would always help anyone and everyone, A true loss to Wikipedia, Thank you for your service. RIP David, My sincere condolences to friends and family, –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color:blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color:orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color:navy;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
* Thanks for sharing this news. I was shocked when I stumbled upon it. David was so kind and welcoming to me back in 2016 when we met. it was clear he was a juggernaut among Wikipedians in NYC and beyond as a photographer. A great loss and yet a person whose memory lives on in so many who remain in the community. Rest in Power, @[[User:DGG|DGG]]!
:[[User:SheridanFord|sheridanford]] ([[User talk:SheridanFord|talk]]) 14:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
* I just learned about DGG's passing by chance – I'm so sorry to hear this. I recall DGG's guidance from my early days on WP – always thoughtful, considerate and friendly. DGG, you were an example to follow. Rest in peace. — [[User:Kashmiri|<span style="color:#30c;font:italic bold 1em 'Candara';text-shadow:#aaf 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;">kashmīrī</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Kashmiri|<sup style="color:#80f;font-family:'Candara';">TALK</sup>]] 18:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
* My thoughts and prayers go out to David and his family and friends. Rest in peace. [[User:Sjones23|Lord Sjones23]] ([[User talk:Sjones23|talk]] - [[User:Sjones23/Wikipedia contributions|contributions]]) 20:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
* I had the chance to meet David at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiki-Conference/2009|NYC Wiki-Conference 2009]] and we had a short debate about the balance between privacy and the "right to be forgotten" - while we were largely on different sides of the position, his disagreement was very respectful. His contribution to Wikipedia and related projects exceeds his 300,000+ edit count (bolstered by thoughtful comments on AfD and AiN) - e.g. obviously ArbCom, but also [[m:Strategic Wikimedia Affiliates Network/2021 07|participation in SWAN]]. The community is less for his passing. [[User:GreenReaper|GreenReaper]] ([[User talk:GreenReaper|talk]]) 13:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


:Rest in peace, DGG, by the by I was just passing through and I had heard about this [[User:MissYandere|MissYandere]] ([[User talk:MissYandere|talk]]) 22:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
If you have '''feedback''' on how to make SuggestBot better, please tell me on [[User_talk:SuggestBot|SuggestBot's talk page]]. Thanks from [[User:ForteTuba|ForteTuba]], SuggestBot's caretaker.


== A barnstar for you! ==
P.S. You received these suggestions because your name was listed on [[User:SuggestBot/Requests|the SuggestBot request page]]. If this was in error, sorry about the confusion. -- [[User:SuggestBot|SuggestBot]] 05:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
;Admin's Barnstar
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Administrator Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Admin's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | One of the greats. Thank you so much for all your help to a new editor and your endless patience with my many failings. Your memory is and will always be a blessing. [[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 21:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
|}{{-}}


;Special Barnstar
== [[WP:LOMJ]] ==
{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | [[File:SpecialBarnstar.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Special Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | [[:Template:The Special Barnstar|The Special Barnstar]] may be awarded to a user as a gesture of appreciation for a specific reason, when there is no other barnstar that would feel appropriate. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 03:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
|}


To say I am saddened by these news really doesn't say it well enough. There really aren't words to describe DGG's contributions here. On Arbcom, a voice for giving every Wikipedian the most benefit of the doubt within reason. That policy is there to enhance the Wikipedia experience - to bring editors together, not to punish and push away. Often in content discussions we agreed - his was a strong voice for not burning down what has been built. But even when, sometimes, his sense of purity for inclusion differed with my perspective about "pruning the tree to improve health", he made clear his perspective, and was fairly consistent, and was always willing to talk it out. (And could compete with the best of us for large blocks of explanatry text : ) - His is definitely a voice that will be missed. - <b>[[User:Jc37|jc37]]</b> 03:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi, in regards to your interest in creating articles for journals, we are already working towards that goal over at [[Wikipedia:List of missing journals]] and [[WP:LOMJ/Queue]]. In light of your su


;Special Barnstar
The category sggestion on [[Template talk:Infobox_Journal]] to "reward" the true OA journals, I would like to create a [[WP:LOMJ/OA]] that lists everything in [[DOAJ]], in order that we can create articles for those first. It looks easy to screen scrape the DOAJ listings, but if there is another way to access their db, that would be better. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 20:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Special Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Special Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Today would be DGG's 16th anniversary of becoming an admin. If only he was here to experience it. May he rest in peace. <span style="background:#000dff; padding:2px;">'''[[User:Interstatefive|<span style="color:white;">interstate</span>]][[User talk:Interstatefive|<span style="color:white;">five</span>]]'''&nbsp;</span> 00:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
|}


:Yeah, we should honor DGG for all the good that he has done for WIkipedia and for the world. [[User:Rtyjhnghfn|Rtyjhnghfn]] ([[User talk:Rtyjhnghfn|talk]]) 23:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
==initial decisions==
There are basically 2 ways of doing this. big, and small.
*You (and the other editors doing it) have obviously chosen big. Between your list and DOAJ, I estimate there will be 13,000 titles.--that is currently published titles--if you add the changed and ceased titles, it will more than double. Harvard gets about 100,000 current journals.


== Always precious ==
*I like to start small.
[[File:Yogo2783 Close crop.JPG|frameless|right|upright=0.5]]
In my view, it would be a much more useful thing to make good articles with accurate information for important journals, OA or not, than doing all the journals major and minor. Among the significant ones I would start with OA ones, which is what I suggested.
Ten years ago, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#{{BASEPAGENAME}}|you]] were found precious. That's what you are, remembered always. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


I said that yesterday, a day early. David left his [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DGG&oldid=1149181471 talk like this], and without old newsletters it looked [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DGG&oldid=1149215127 like this]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*In addition to your lists, we have [[:Category:Open_access_journals]] at the moment a pitiful and incomplete list, and so is a previously started page [[List_of_journals_available_free_online]]. We also have the various subject lists in WP, some lists mostly black links, many mostly red.


== Works in Process ==
*There are now several information sources t hat were not there six months ago. One is [[CrossRef]][http://www.crossref.org/titleList/] I just updated that article yesterday. Another is ISI, which has an openly available master journal list. [http://scientific.thomson.com/mjl/] There is also the journal list in PubMed [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Journals] which gives the following
#Title: Comptes rendus biologies
$ISSN: 1631-0691 (Print)
#Title Abbreviation: C R Biol
#ISO Abbreviation: C. R. Biol.
#Publication Start Year: 2002
#Publisher: Elsevier
#Continuation Notes: Continues: Comptes rendus de l'Académie des sciences. Série III, Sciences de la vie.
#Language: English, French
#Country: France
#Subject Term(s): Biology
#NLM ID: 101140040


@[[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic london]] I saw you took care of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADGG&curid=6851395&diff=1149301589&oldid=1149182200&diffmode=source this one], which may have been a typo. As we did with Possibly, happy to work on any drafts David had in progress. Can anyone with better search skills help pull a list? @[[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] @[[User:CT55555|CT55555]] and I managed to rescue all of Possibly's drafts before they were G13ed or after an undelete, I think and I think everyone here would be happy to make sure anything David was working on makes mainspace if possible. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 13:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*We obvious have slightly different things in mind, but it would make sense to merge the project ideas. With a project, it could, like most large projects, have several tracks.
**Do you have a project name? I could not find one in the project list yesterday. but maybe I missed. it. It would make more sense to use an existing setup.
** What I would propose starting with on one track, is to take that OA category, and make sure that all of other OA journals that have articles in WP are listed in it. and see that they are also in the list of OA journals. We need the list and the category because most of the titles will be in the list for a very long times. .as of Dec 15 there are 3200 journals in DOAJ. I frankly do not see a point of making a list of all of them, however minor--DOAJ does it fine (or more exactly, reasonable well). WP is not a list of links or a web directory, or so Im told. Google does very well in finding scientific journal titles.


:@[[User:Star Mississippi|Star Mississippi]] [[Special:PrefixIndex/User:DGG/]] contains all his subpages but I didn't know David well enough to know his organisational system. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<b style="color: teal; font-family: Tahoma">HJ&nbsp;Mitchell</b>]] &#124; [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color: navy; font-family: Times New Roman" title="(Talk page)">Penny for your thoughts?</span>]] 13:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
*What I most want to avoid is duplicate work.
::Thank you @[[User:HJ Mitchell|HJ Mitchell]]! I know David and @[[User:Liz|Liz]] worked together to keep viable articles from G13 so hoping that path will help. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 15:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
**Before writing any more journal pages, I suggest we continue the discussion of the journal infobox -- where was that beng discussed--I already lost track. :)
:@[[User:Star Mississippi|Star Mississippi]], thank you for the ping; I'm so very sorry to hear about DGG's passing. I was just thinking of him earlier this morning. I am happy to help out in any way I can. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 13:52, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
::I rescued a second link to another of DGG's user pages, which he had merged. The remaining red link under [[User:DGG#Possible essays]] is to a 2009 page of notes about a user interface beta, which he later deleted as no longer relevant. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 15:18, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


David had eight article drafts in progress:
(see my user page for some idea of my background. I think some of the people doing this have similar? I know it doesn't matter in terms of whose word goes, but I will do what I can to help with what I know. I've already started in on Comptes rendus. [[User:DGG|DGG]] 22:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
*[[User:DGG/Arabic-Persian literacy relation]]
*[[User:DGG/Eleazar (painter)]]
*[[User:DGG/History of Jews in American banking]]
*[[User:DGG/Jewish stereotypes in banking and finance]]
*[[User:DGG/Jews in the history of American film]]
*[[User:DGG/Libra (Academic Search)]]
*[[User:DGG/Marie Charlotte de la Trémoille]] (note: [[Marie Charlotte de La Trémoille]] exists but is lacking some of this content)
*[[User:DGG/New York – Chicago Toll Road system]]
I have notified some of the relevant WikiProjects, which is a hit-and-miss proposition. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


:I can work on the [[User:DGG/Eleazar (painter)]] draft. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 17:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:The [[WP:LOMJ]] was intended to be a list where each entry is crossed off, however [[DOAJ]], [[WorldCat]] and other lists will always far exceed what we can achieve here at Wikipedia, at least in my lifetime, so I started the [[WP:LOMJ/Queue]] to bring some order and discussion to the process of prioritising which articles should be created. As you may have seen I have created a new list [[WP:LOMJ/DOAJ]] so we can see which [[open access]] journals already have articles created, so that we can add or augment an infobox on the article. This list currently contains false positives, because the journal name may already be used as a general topic name, but I intend to improve my scripts to fix that. I'll also take on board your suggestion of finding these articles and making sure they are in the OA category. I'll continue to automate this script with any suggestions people have.
::hah! I was just about to ping you on that one @[[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]]. Thanks for this @[[User:BD2412|BD2412]]. I'm going to make talk page notes where useful/content pointers such as you've done with Marie Charlotte... <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 18:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:::The draft was originally created as an autobiography back in 2009 which DGG saved for rewriting. It's largely unsourced and seems to contain lots of OR by original creator. It may have to be pruned to a short article, but looking at the artist's exhibition record, reviews and collections (at least so far on the artists website) he would meet both GNG and NARTIST if independent sources can be found. I'll see what's out there. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 18:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:::: I think several of these may have been draftified to userspace per deletion discussions. [[User:DGG/Arabic-Persian literacy relation]] is one of these. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 18:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:::One of the most important things I learned from DGG was [[WP:V]], and its primary importance in deletion discussions. For that I am eternally grateful. Working from some of the sources in [[:es:Eleazar_(pintor)|the article on Spanish Wikipedia]], and Google searches, I was able to add some verifiable citations in reliable sources, most of which are news sources dealing with his work being censored, but also a couple reviews. The artist clearly meets [[WP:GNG]] based on these. I was unable to verify any of the Collections the artist lists on their website nor do they appear to be notable collections - no museums, mainly hotels and corporate collections), so at this time, it's doubtful if he meets [[WP:NARTIST]]. I've tagged the remaining unsourced content with "citation needed" templates; the bulk of the article remains unsourced. I could move the unsourced content to the talk page or leave it as is, whatever the community decides is the best approach. [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone|talk]]) 20:28, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
::::You've nailed the core of what we've lost in David, and SlimVirgin. The true fundamentals of the project. While we mourn both, I think the impact of their absence is still to come. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 20:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:I will work on [[User:DGG/Jews in the history of American film]], out of the utmost respect to DGG, and hope I can do it justice.[[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 19:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:DGG/Libra (Academic Search)]] seems to exist at [[Microsoft Academic Search]]. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 01:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:: Looking at the history, it was originally created by [[User:Luogang.china]] and moved to DGG's user space to attempt to salvage it from various deficiencies. Since [[Libra (Academic Search)]] exists as a redirect, I think this can be deleted. It will not be worked on, and is not significant to DGG's legacy like his original drafts and various essays. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 01:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::I think so too. I left it in place initially with just the talk page note in case someone thought a history merge was needed. On further review, I don't think so. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 01:44, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::: I have boldly gone ahead and deleted the draft and talk page. Our focus should be on improving the drafts that can add value to the encyclopedia. If anyone disagrees, I suppose they can restore (or request restoration). [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 02:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:History of Jews in American banking and Jewish stereotypes in banking and finance both seems almost ready to publish; I suspect DGG didn't consider them complete but they're far above my personal standards for an article. I'm going to move some undeveloped sections to the talk page and then move to mainspace, unless there are any objections.
:Also, thoughts on nominating one or both for DYK? A little worried that the topic will attract vandalism if given visibility. [[User:Rusalkii|<span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span>]] ([[User talk:Rusalkii|talk]]) 20:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
::Hmm, okay, looking at the history both were userifyied and then had very little work done. I'm honestly confused about this decision but not going to move back without substantive changes. [[User:Rusalkii|<span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span>]] ([[User talk:Rusalkii|talk]]) 20:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)


Can we tell if he had anything in [[WP:Draft]] space, or did he only use Userspace drafts? [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 17:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
btw, thanks for pointing me towards [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/citmatch_help.html#JournalLists]; I've been looking for such a raw data dump for about a month now! [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 23:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&target=DGG&namespace=118&tagfilter=&newOnly=1&start=&end=&limit=500 This shows] his page creations in Draft. I don't know if there's a way to filter out those that were AfC acceptances. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 18:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:: I went back nine years and they ''all'' were. There were a few that were live drafts because someone else had built on the draft redirect post-AfC acceptance, but there are no live drafts started by DGG as articles. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you for that dig!
:::From areas in which I worked with him, I knew David to more assist content that needed some TLC and expertise rather than necessarily start from scratch. When he did the latter, it was normally in mainspace. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 20:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::Wow, thanks for looking into that! Are you saying that you saw some that he actually put effort into working on, even though he was not the originator of the draft? Just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 21:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::: I wouldn't say there is anything left in that space that he "put effort into"; there was one that he commented briefly on (e.g. [[Draft:Dryden Universe]]), and one that is a draft for a different topic built on a redirect he created ([[Draft:John McLean]], which by the way is duplicated at [[Draft:John McLean 2]]). [[Draft:Air Thanlwin]] was a duplicate built on a redirect that he had left behind, so I re-redirected it. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 22:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for taking a good look at that. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 22:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:::How about those that were submitted by DGG? (Evidently there may be some going by the acceptance notice for [[Sveen v. Melin (2018)]] below) [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 07:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


I would suggest that when someone has their own way of organising their userspace (I say this as someone who has never really organised my own userspace properly), maybe browse through the pages to see what may be worth preserving or using elsewhere (presuming that is even appropriate)? I noticed some notes he made for talks he gave (one of these is a video up at the top of this talk page). Maybe some of the essays as well. But most do seem to be just notes for his own personal use, so it is difficult to know what (if anything) to do with them. Unless he had known plans for them, sometimes it is best to leave it as it is, unless someone has a very specific plan for reuse/publication, with appropriate credit. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] ([[User talk:Carcharoth|talk]]) 03:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
==Merging journals list==
I left a message '''[[Talk:List_of_scientific_journals_in_psychology#Merging|here]]''' which may be of interest to you. [[User:EPM|EPM]] 18:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


*'''Note''': [[User:DGG/History of Jews in American banking]] and [[User:DGG/Jewish stereotypes in banking and finance]] were both initiated by the long-absent [[User:Pseudo-Richard]], and taken over by [[User:DGG]] with an expressed intent to provide non-antisemetic coverage of these topics. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 15:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
== Catholic-expand ==
*I've watchlisted [[Marie Charlotte de La Trémoille]] and will look for sourcing for anything not in it from [[User:DGG/Marie Charlotte de la Trémoille]]. This appears to be an article DGG himself had adopted at some point. [[User:DGG/New York – Chicago Toll Road system]] is also of interest to me. Unfortunately I haven't yet been able to find a COMMONNAME for this idea. As the prior, it seems to be something DGG had adopted. [[User:DIYeditor|—DIYeditor]] ([[User talk:DIYeditor|talk]]) 23:27, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


==Archive header==
Thank you for the feedback on the Catholic Encyclopedia template. It was a good point on putting the tag on the talk page rather the main page, which I will do in future. If you would like to go on the talk page on Catholic Encyclopedia project page if you have any other thoughts:
I've taken the liberty of re-adding DGG's archive header to the talk page, because his talk page archiving system is otherwise fairly difficult to make sense of without it. He removed it in [[Special:Diff/1115532448|this edit (warning: huuuuuuge diff!)]], whether intentionally or not I of course don't know. I hope this action is OK. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color: green;">87</span>]] 19:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


== Rest in peace ==
[[Wikipedia_talk:Catholic_Encyclopedia_topics#A_proposal_for_clearing_up_blue_links]]


[[File:Candle Memorial For Deceased Wikipedians.PNG|90px]]
[[User:JASpencer|JASpencer]] 21:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Rest in peace, Dave! Your generous edits and immortal acts here will be remembered. – [[User:Hamid Hassani|Hamid Hassani]] ([[User talk:Hamid Hassani|talk]]) 19:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


Just found out. Very sad to see. Thankyou for contributions and reasoning in disputes. RIP! ♦ [[User talk:Dr. Blofeld|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#aba67e">''Dr. Blofeld''</span>]] 11:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
== Main Psalter ==
Hi, i googled these [[commons:Category:Mainz psalter]] -- [[User:Cherubino|Cherubino]] 03:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


== You'll be always remembered ==
==Palaeos.com AFD==
Hi DGG!


"There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery." — [[Dante Alighieri]]. You will be always remembered.... [[User:Ferialnusla|Ferialnusla]] ([[User talk:Ferialnusla|talk]]) 05:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I wanted to comment on your message [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FPalaeos&diff=98375575&oldid=98338433 here] where you claim "I also take issue with the concept that the article has to assert notability. it has to demonstrate notability. I've seen articles listed for deletion because the editor didn't think of using the exact words. Aside from an obscure listing in Speedy, I do '''not''' see the words ''the article has to assert notability'' in any policy or guideline."


== Let DGG rest in peace! ==
I assure you, A7 is ''not'' obscure. Hundreds of articles are deleted every day because they do not ''assert the notability of the subject''. I thought your statement was odd; but after looking at your contributions, I see you've only been editing for a few months, which explains it.


I am sorry for having disturbed this place. Let it remain peaceful! [[User:NoychoH|noychoH]] ([[User talk:NoychoH|talk]]) 22:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
If you have time, please take a moment to review the official policies at [[WP:SPEEDY]], which should be an important factor to consider for anyone regularly contributing to Wikipedia, and certainly for any editor participating in [[WP:AFD]]. Best wishes and happy editing, <font color="#0000FF">[[User:Firsfron|Firsfron of Ronchester]]</font> 09:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
===reply, criteria for deletion===
(re-posted here for convenience--answered at Forsfrom talk.)
I did ''recheck'' the criterion on speedy, and I of course find it as you say, and, in my view, incompatible with every statement about notability everywhere else in WP. And I do check speedies, and for things I recognize as notable and think can be clearly demonstrated as notable I go to the trouble of putting in a appropriate statement in what seems to be the expected language, and often do some editing to the article as well (I make no attempt to do this systematically unless I recognize something & think it can be defended, which is about 1 per day.)


== Rest in peace ==
I do not always get all of the procedure right yet, but I try. I notice some of the others in the debate were also unfamiliar with the provision. Perhaps those who have been editing a very long while learn to accept the odd parts and even the incompatibilities as part of WP life. I hope you're glad that new people are becoming active. If you will look at my edits you will see that they tend to compromise. I dislike the intensity of many quarrels here & have no intention of getting involved in them unless I can help reach a solution.
I recognize the usefulness of speedy in obvious cases, but I see it also being applied to non-obvious cases, and I will perhaps make some comments on that. I also plan to collect & analyze some data about the consistency of deletion practice, but not for a month or two when I'll have the time. I know some others are also looking at how well the various procedures work from a variety of angles. I have some background at that sort of analysis. That will of course be OR, and treated as such.


Rest in peace, pal. [[User:Sebbers1010292929|Sebbers1010292929]] ([[User talk:Sebbers1010292929|talk]]) 18:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
I intend this as a start of a friendly discussion, and if you have any suggestions I will be interested,and I even hope perhaps that you'd feel like joining the analysis. Two judgments are better than one, especially from people of different backgrounds. I like doing this sort of thing as a group.. which is one reason I'm here.
Which talk page should we continue at?'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 16:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


==Rest in peace==
:::DGG, btw [[Master of the Playing Cards]] was speedily deleted, after about 5 mins, by the over-enthusiatic [[User:Firefoxman]], who in the same session had also managed to S-delete [[Rede Lecture]] by [[User:Charles Matthews]] which was already in a quite advanced form. Oddly enough, CM got an apology; I did not! Quite a few of his SD's around then were thwarted one way or another [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 17:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
You're always in my prayers! Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your kindness will never be forgotten. Regards [[User:RAJIVVASUDEV|RV]] ([[User talk:RAJIVVASUDEV|talk]]) 17:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
:Hi DGG!
:Thanks for your note. I agree there are many Wikipedia policies and guidelines which seem to completely conflict with other policies and guidelines. Regarding your question, of course I am glad that new people become active. Even with 6,000,000 user accounts, most of the work is done by a few thousand people. As users go on Wikibreak or suffer from burnout, if these users weren't quickly replaced, Wikipedia would soon become a mess.
:I agree SPEEDY has often been applied to articles which don't really apply. At the same time, I've speedy deleted hundreds of articles I felt didn't meet the ''assert notability'' criteria; most of these were just trash. We get a lot of people that add "articles" about themselves like "Trisha Smith is a girl at Jones High School and she is soooo sexayyy!" or "MySpace.com/ThatOneDude is a great web site. You should go there." Articles like this aren't only about non-notable subjects, they don't even assert notability, and thus meet the requirement for (A7). I'm not sure there's much consistency when it comes to deletion, because WikiPhilosophy varies from editor to editor. I'm not sure I have time to work on an analysis of the data, but would be interested in the results. <font color="#0000FF">[[User:Firsfron|Firsfron of Ronchester]]</font> 20:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


== Complaints to Google Scholar ==
== A barnstar for you! ==


{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
Regarding your comments about deletion of [[BSTJ_papers]], I did once send a suggestion to the folks at Google Scholar. Within a day or two I got a response saying that my suggestion was a good one which they would implement. YMMV of course! I would guess that the Scholar folks are planning eventually to have complete on-line coverage of technical journals ("index all the world's information") and that they just have gotten that far yet. [[User:Chaiken|Alison Chaiken]] 15:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]

|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
==Speedy==
|-
Speedy deletion means just that - it can be deleted at any time. Articles are always retrievable if there has been a mistake, or the creator can redraft to address the problem, if that is possible (notability issues might be insoluble for obvious reasons) [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 18:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I never met you in person but I interacted with you quite a bit years ago when I was getting started on this site (circa 2013), and I was very saddened just now to learn that you had passed away. Rest in peace. [[User:IntoThinAir|IntoThinAir]] ([[User talk:IntoThinAir|talk]]) 01:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Most speedies are obvious junk/copyright violations/nonsense, and genuine objections tend to come from the creators, who obviously know the content. I don't know if the list of deleted edits is accessible to non-admins. Any article in mind? [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 18:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

:I understand the point you are making - the flip side is that even with the present situation the list of articles tagged for speedy deletion is typically 200 items. Put a time limit on, even if it's restricted to sensible articles (and remember many junk articles are deleted ''before'' being tagged}, and I fear that admins will be overwhelmed. [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] 20:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

== Re:overspeeding==
I very much agree, DGG. Speedy delete should be within 24 hours, not a matter of minutes or an hour (since AFD is a week or two weeks, I think). Wikipedia policies are becoming way too serious and nuts and its literally ruining the place. — [[User:Wackymacs|Wackymacs]] 18:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
::It might be worth mentioning to Jimbo Wales. — [[User:Wackymacs|Wackymacs]] 19:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure I have the time to gather lots of stuff together - I think I might be spending too much time on WP to be honest... — [[User:Wackymacs|Wackymacs]] 19:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

==re Palaeos==
You're quoting the wrong section. The section you quoted is what types of media are covered under the [[WP:WEB]] policy, not what constitutes reliable references. Scan down further to the Criteria section, which does not include blogs. [[User:Hatch68|Hatch68]] 18:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
:Have a look at [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Non-scholarly_sources]] under the Editorial Oversight section. While an argument can be made that the blog we're talking about probably does have some Editorial Oversight, it would probably just be an assumption.

:I'm honestly ready to just let the Palaeos AfD go away. I nominated it in good faith due to no notability being stated or referenced, and it was proven otherwise. That's that. I have no inherent bias against the site or the references provided. I simply sought to initiate a discussion and actually I agree with the consensus that was formed. [[User:Hatch68|Hatch68]] 19:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

== Open source ==

You placed a POV tag on this, but it and the related article [[Open access]] have not been improved since in this respect. There are RW reasons why I can't do the cleanup myself & why some other people may have felt the same--see item 2 in the lede. One could make a case that these are the most blatently nonPOV pages in WP. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:Phrases in [[open access]] like "[open access is] most feasible for peer-reviewed scientific and scholarly journal articles" and "Open access to scholarly research is important to the public," and "Even those who do not care to read scholarly articles, however, benefit indirectly from open access" are pretty blantantly pro-open-access opinions that read as if they are being expressed by the encyclopedia authors. There seem to be several overlapping "open access" articles; I will see what I can do about getting content to the right pages and dealing with the POV issues. I haven't read through [[open source]] yet, but what do you mean by "item 2 in the lede"? The intro to "open source" is not numbered. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 23:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== mistake ==

And I do not know how to fix it.
There were two pages: Open access (Publishing) which is the general article on open access as a movement and publishing strategy,
and a separate article,
Open access publishing,
which was an article about the publishers of open access material, a much narrow sense, but one included in open access.
You seem to have conflated them, and I made it worse by fixing what I thought was an incorrect redirect.
If you think the 2 names are in conflict, it would be better to change Open access publishing to Open access publisher, which has many few links and easier to adjust everything.

I suppose the best think to do is to revert both articles to the earlier state (i.e., this morning), and then do the name change more carefully.
IU dont know how to do the revert without messing up the talk pages, since the original open access talk page has gotten overwritten.

The item I referred to was in the ledge of the original open access article "A prominent....is [[Stevan H]]
and the reason I asked for assistance in the first place is that everyone in the movement is somewhat afraid of him, and thinks he will revert any attempt at major change of his extremely idosyncratic page.
Sorry for inadvertantly causing all the confusion.
If it will be easier, I can brave the wrath of SH, and do a combination merged page. I frequently argue with him in real life on the lists; altho not eager to do so here as well, I can do it. If you'd rather email me, please do.'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 23:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

:Why was "open access publishing" moved to "open access (publishing)"? The former seems much easier to type and link to. I intended this to be the main article on all things for this sense of "open access". I was intending on merging the list of publishers into [[List of open access projects]], since there is already another list started there. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 00:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

== Open access ==

I would recommend moving "open access (publishing)" back to "open access publishing" and have "open access" redirect there (which it does now). I have finished fixing [[Open access (publishing)]] except for the "by the numbers" section which I have tagged for cleanup.

I have already finished moving lists of publishers and journals to [[List of open access projects]] from many different articles. I will leave it up to others to clean up the categorization scheme. If this article gets too long, it can certainly be split into multiple subarticles, but for right now it is an acceptible length.

For classifying articles, it is generally more maintainable to use the category mechanism. Instead of seeing a list of 8000 open access journals, readers could instead be directed to [[:Category:Open access journals]]. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 02:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

==Bonner refs==
Not sure what you mean.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 04:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

==Other deleted article I found annoying==
I had it restored and userfied at [[User:Filll/Peter Cusack]]. I did not flesh it out tremendously because I did not think it was necessary with so many links in WP pointing to his page ; 6 before I wrote the article. So I thought, no problem. Also two people vouching for it on the talk page. I didnt think to make it much longer. It strikes me as he has to be notable:
*A radio show heard by the public for years
*A faculty member
*A performer with many recordings and collaborations
*An artist producing large scale art projects all over the world

I need to get his publications and discography and personal life and on and on and on? I thought a stub was something short that might be added to later to identify someone, like someone from one of those 6 other articles who might want to learn a bit more (in the interests of full disclosure, one of those 6 I worked on a lot and added the link; [[Frere Jacques]]). Is there a drive on right now to get rid of articles? A friends article that had been around since last may with references and figures and nicely written just was flagged for removal ([[Sweater design]]). It strikes me as odd. Especially since I know of many very short little stubby articles about a hamlet with a bridge and a pub in the middle of noplace, with 4 houses i the town. And about 2 sentences in the article (I wont say which ones they are since I dont want you to delete them!!). But if those are ok, why are these targeted? They are not obvious trash, are they? --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 22:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)\

:Ok I will do what I can to help, but I still am sort of clueless, obviously.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 02:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
If you think it is worthwhile to bring attention to this problem, we can go for AfD on my [[John Tyler Bonner]]. I dont mind if it gets people's attention. Which I think is what you are saying we need to do. --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 22:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

==An Automated Message from [[User:HagermanBot|HagermanBot]]==

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your posts]] by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button [[Image:Wikisigbutton.png]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! [[User:HagermanBot|HagermanBot]] 19:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC)<!-- HagermanBot Auto-Tilde -->

==N.H. Horowitz==
I am thinking about writing about Norman H. Horowitz, Caltech biology professor, previous department head etc. One can find some material about him:
*[http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1456073/ This piece on Norman H. Horowitz]
*[http://oralhistories.library.caltech.edu/22/ Horowitz oral history]
And a huge number of publications. I do not want to have a deletion fight again, however. Suggestions?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 21:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

== Open access (again) ==

I was finished making substantive edits to open access articles. If you wanted "open access publishing" (in the most general sense) to appear under "open access", I don't know why the article that yestersay was under "open access (publishing)" couldn't just have been moved there. I do not know what you are doing now; I will have to wait until your dust settles to see if any POV problems have been re-introduced.

:the main problem is that one ofthe few things there is general agreement about is that hybrid oa journals are not oa journals

That doesn't make much sense, given that "open access" is right there in the name. Perhaps people who think they shouldn't "count" have a different name for them? It sounds to me like the status is actually disputed, in which case Wikipedia should not take a position on the matter. -- [[User:Beland|Beland]] 22:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
==Peter Cusack==
I added a bit more to it at [[User:Filll/Peter Cusack]] as you can see. Will it get challenged again, or is it ok?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 22:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
==Peter Cusack==
[[User:Filll/Peter Cusack]] is the current version. Is it ready to be put on WP main yet or is it still not good enough?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 01:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:I have reviews for 6 projects (one project I got 2 reviews on it, so that is a total of 7). I could get many many more but it becomes very tiresome. I just want a stub!--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 03:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::Get your name in the history. Thanks [[Peter Cusack]] is up. I hope I wasnt bad by moving the rugby player. Now THAT article is a stub. Why does that get to stay? Just captain of some team? Huh? I guess...--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 03:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits. It is still pretty rough, but looking around at the other musicians he collaborated with, the Peter Cusack site really puts them to shame, I think. At least it is a good solid start anyway.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 06:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
==Map==
We have a map at [[Lactose intolerance]] that is pretty out of date now that we have new data. I am not quite sure how to order a new map or how to draw a map myself. Do you have any suggestions?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 06:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


==on Isaacs==
Thank you for stating your opinion. As the articles creator I am pleased that you feel Isaacs warrants an article as do I. [[User:Artsojourner|Artsojourner]] 06:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


I appreciate your comments. Funny how a first sentense seems to set the tone on here. [[User:Artsojourner|Artsojourner]] 15:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

==List of films with similar themes and release dates AfD==

Hi, you've expressed an opinion in the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films with similar themes and release dates (second nomination)|deletion discussion]] of this article. I've recently suggested a [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films with similar themes and release dates (second nomination)#Suggested compromise|compromise]] in hopes of improving the article while keeping both sides happy, and would appreciate if you could revisit the issue. Thanks. --[[User:Wafulz|Wafulz]] 18:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== Creationism ==

I'm not interested in creationist blather. It's mythology, lies, and frankly, a requirement of the psychologically weak. Please keep it off my page, if you don't mind. Thanks. [[User:Orangemarlin|Orangemarlin]] 19:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:Well I think it would be funny to have Diderot's picture there. I would find that very amusing. I realize that there are a large contingent of people who believe it is a fact (an ABC poll recently said 60% of Americans believe the Flood story is literally true). I also think there is a lot more to the story, but this has to be done carefully to not just preach to people in any particular biased way.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 19:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:Oops. Anti-creationist facts are fun to have on my user page. I must have misunderstood!!!! You're one of the good guys so post away. [[User:Orangemarlin|Orangemarlin]] 19:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting... I don't consider myself to be "psychologically weak" (few people probably actually would) yet I look and can see a large amount of evidence that points to a relatively young earth. I would argue that someone who is "not interested" in listening is more of a weak person... anyway, is this the place for this discussion?--[[User:Paulmcdonald|Paul McDonald]] 21:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== Metasearch edits ==

I would add, given your addition of those two links, you should be concerned with linking to another WikiPedia article about each one, and create articles first. I think this is a misuse of the external links policy, you know? I am not sure anyways. I am just pointing out how wierd it is for you to say that those links belong and are OK according to some policy, and then you ignore the other policy. I would also add that this is, from my limited experience, a different policy than I have seen for other pages. Ultimately, I don't think you should link to those unless they are under the external links area, and since that is an invite for spammers, you should not link to them at all. Instead, link to articles (within WikiPedia) about them. Perhaps that is the best avenue. And if you don't, oh well, I am fine with whatever decision you make. [[User:Jfroelich|Josh Froelich]] 22:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
==Who exactly did I ask?==
I am not sure how much to put on my page. I had more and I felt stupid about it so I have slowly nibbled away at it.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 03:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
: Oh yes. Well I am curious about how YEC can think. In his case, he gave a bunch of alleged reasons for why the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Off the top of my head I know several of those are definitely incorrect. And then I asked him if he believed the earth was created to look old already, and he said yes. Well in that case, there isnt too much to ask. It is all over. But I can ask why then would you want to claim physical evidence for a young earth? It is all pointless in that case because it is all "fake". I put some bio info on my page but I dont know. Do I want to give a big religious lecture there? I am not so sure.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 04:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


==journal names===

== Re: usage of full journal names ==

Wondering if you had gotten a chance to look at some of the responses from science editors to your suggestion on the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Proteasome|the FAC nomination]] for [[proteasome]]. In particular, it would be helpful to know how and where you are searching for articles or journals that the use of abbreviations is an impediment to successfully locating a reference. If you really think this is something that's worth pursuing as a proposed style standard for scientific articles, I believe a larger venue than an obscure FAC nomination is needed, as this would affect a large number of editors and articles; I'd suggest starting a thread on [[Wikipedia talk:Citing sources]] or [[Wikipedia talk:Scientific citation guidelines]] for wider visibility. Since the suggestion of using full journal names does not currently have the consensus of editors in the sciences, I'm going to leave it alone for now, and will make the changes later if it's agreed that this is a useful proposal. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] 01:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:(Speaking only about journals in the sciences), I think that full journal names are essential for WP users, particularly for older material. The abbreviations are enough for experts. WP articles are not written for experts. WP is written for a range of users, ranging from the beginner to the near expert; judging from user pages and user comments, this may correspond from junior high school students to graduate students in allied fields. Journal references serve several roles: even without looking them up, they give some idea of the nature of the evidence--and this is probably as far as many users get. To serve this function for new or for old, the title must be understood, and all users not graduate students in the field are more likely to make sense of the full title.

Or they serve as a route to further information. For material that is open access, the link (which should always be given in a WP article if there is an OA version) gives the access directly. For online material that is not, the link (which should be given even though not OA) will normally lead to at least the abstract of the article, which can be sufficient information in many cases.

For material that is not available online, all users must go through a library. Experts will recognize the journal, will usually have access to a research library, and will get the aticle if owned or ask for it if not, and any university library ILL department can deal with standard abbreviations. For all other users, they must look for the material in an online catalog. It is unfortunately not the practice in standard cataloging to make added entries for abbreviations as a routine practice, although they are sometimes made if they appear on the cover of a journal. It is not possible in many cases to guess the right title, especially if one is unfamiliar with the sort of titles that exist. The less experienced user will be much more likely to find the material by full title. If the user must go through an ILL service in a school or public library, the librarian there will probably be much more comfortable with the full title as well.

I say this on the basis of my experience. First, as a biology librarian at a major university. I know the mistakes that get made. They depend on subject; in biology--there are many standards, especially with older material, especially ewith UK and other European material. After 20 years of doing this, I know how to figure out anything in a latin or cyrillic alphabet, from 1800 on, and I know the places to check for anything older; as a beginner, with only a MLS and a molecular biology doctorate, I relied on persistence and study of journal lists, especially for anything out of the way to a molecular biologist. Second, as a teacher of librarianship. The ability of present-day incoming librarians, even science specialists, to find printed material is deplorable. For newer material, they can acquire the patience to keep trying things on Google until they find something. For print material, it will soon be a specialty, like manuscrip[t librarianship is now. Third, I have been responsible for organizing lists of print and then online journals; the peak was a computer-assisted but manually input list of 10,000 print titles. I and others always did these lists by full title. Although it startled some of the catalog librarians, we did add some abbreviations to help those who did know them.

There are 3 ways of doing this. One is to always use the full title. WP is not paper, but it does make for longer reference lists. The other is to have an abbreviation matching database and do a link. The third is to use ISSN's, the 8 digit serial code. This isn't as simple as it was last year, because there are now two codes for each journal, one for print and one for online--all the vendors are still rewriting their systems--I've advised some of them about it. The ISSN works in all online catalogs, but only if the user knows enough to enter it, which they don't until you teach them.

The simplest way to start is with full titles. The matching database is also underway, as something call the Missing Journals Wikiproject, aiming at entering all 12 or so titles into a WP article, complete with all codes. I'm in touch with the people doing it . They estimate 10 years, but if everyone listened to my instructions I think it could be done in a shorter time (smile). Using the entrez database would help in biomedicine, but not elsewhere.
*EdJohnston's experience with entrez is useful, but it doesn't work outside biomedicine. In biomed, a mass conversion could be done, but getting it entered from some of the nonstandard references people have used will require some work. If I had to sustitute full titles throughout the WP database by myself, I'd do them one at a time with a bot, and then look for non-matches. But it could be done more ambitiously, and if we ever want to undertake such a transformation I would help as well. There are some interface problems in the conversion--the length of articles and tables especially would be affected. I think we would want to try a number of careful trials and we would want help from some of the WP programmers.

For a particular article with say 100 or so refs, i would do them by hand. Since in any one article the journal titles will repeat, I'd copy and paste. I suppose if I had to do more than one article I'd copy the lists into BBEdit and use a grep search and replace, and then paste them back, for all the common titles. I am a great believer in patient manual entry.

Other comments
*I notice that O.r. has said she recognizes the abbreviations better, and so do I. But we are not the average users.
*&There's another problem, which is the use of full article titles. This really helps the beginner. In biomed, they could be linked through PubMed IDs, and some WP editors already use them. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 06:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
----

Opabinia, where do you stand on that Object? If you need help converting them in order to address the Object, I can help. Am I missing something, or would we actually have to do every one by hand? I can't find a database that can be used to automate it - if you feel it has to be done, we can divide up the work. I still resist the idea, since it would take a lot of manual work, and the PMID should suffice, but if you need help, I'll dig in. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

In the short term, my plan is to do nothing, since Circeus hasn't responded to the subsequent comments on his suggestion. I left him a note about opening this for wider discussion; a substantial change in style recommendations affecting as many articles as this one would deserves a wider discussion than a thread in an obscure FAC nomination. IMO it would be a bad precedent for future science-related FACs to make that change in response to one user's opinion without collecting some wider input.
I don't know of an intelligent automated way to get this information, other than clicking through PubMed's journals link and screen-scraping the equivalents of pages like http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Journals&term=%22Dev+Cell%22[Title+Abbreviation] sorry, can't get the link with brackets to parse right. If there's a larger discussion I'll certainly oppose this on practicality and text-clutter grounds, unless someone finds a common way of searching for references that requires the full names. FAC doesn't need more shrubberies. Opabinia regalis 01:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Without raising the long-term policy question, I don't think it would be that hard to convert the journal names in Proteasome. Assuming the reference uses a journal in the NLM list, you should be able to look up its journal name at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=Journals. This screen has a search box, where you can type in the standard journal abbreviation, and hit 'Search'. You then get back the full name of the journal. I also managed to download (by ftp) a plain text file called J_Entrez.txt (4 megabytes in size) that has both the abbreviation and the full name for every journal I checked. You could do a 'Find' on the abbreviation, and get the answer. So if you need help converting those references, I'd be available. EdJohnston 02:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think our readers would put up with the 'clutter' that would be caused by spelling out these not totally self-explanatory abbreviations? EMBO J, Cell Death Differ (my favorite), Mol Cell, FEBS Lett, PLoS Biol. I know that 'J Biol Chem' looks easy but not all of them are. EdJohnston 02:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer. I doubt it would take long to convert this article - anybody who's done biology work probably knows 80% of them anyway - but I'm strongly inclined not to set that as a standard for future articles, not least because there are screen-scraper scripts for importing PubMed references that would need to be extensively modified. I realize they're not all intuitive (my personal favorite official "abbreviation" is J Phys Chem B Condens Matter Mater Surf Interfaces Biophys) but as far as I've ever known, it's actually better for searching to have the abbreviation than the full name, because almost every database uses the abbreviations. Do you know of any common databases or search methods where that's not the case? I asked Circeus on the FAC page to elaborate why/where he had had trouble, but he hasn't responded yet. Opabinia regalis 03:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Right - the problem is not *this* article (which I'll help do, if that what it takes to get rid of the object) rather the sheer volume of manual work that would be required across all Wiki articles, with little benefit. I would also strenuously object to the change in policy, since it requires manual intervention for every journal, to replace the info PubMed provides. Just wanted you to know I could help if needed, but agree it should not be needed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Also: how about making the standard ISBN link produce a latent OpenURL like this: <a name='isbn=0-120345678-9' rel='alternate' title='OpenURL'>? Users with suitable browser plugins could then bypass the Wikipedia ISBN page and be directed to their home library's link resolver. --Helperzoom 17:23, 26 May 2005 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Book sources already has a latent OpenURL in the form of an ISBN COinS tag, right under the Notes heading. I've just added them to {{cite book}}, as well, so you can use OpenURL tools on the references section of articles. I'll expand it to other citation templates if it goes over well, and add it to the "Cite this article" page, too, as soon as they figure out which format would be appropriate for Wikipedia articles... — Omegatron 01:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

==RE: speedy of [[Firestone]]==
Thanks for your hard work, and keeping the redirect. Best wishes, [[User:Travb|Travb]] ([[User talk:Travb|talk]]) 02:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

== My comments ==

My comments were overly simplistic. Primarily I was just trying to suggest he stop commenting on Talk pages for db'ed articles that we give them 48 hours. One of them, that was deleted quickly, was the usual two-liner on a dj/producer with no assertion of notability, and for whom Google showed nothing but a myspace page. I shudder to think of what [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]] would look like if we left articles like that for 48 hours. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 20:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
:Even a day is not doable. [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion|The list]] right now is actually lower than usual, and there are still dozens. A day's worth would be a few thousand, and nobody would (or could) review them. The other problem, realistically, is how many of them come from schoolkids, creating articles on themselves, their friends and their teachers. Every day a brand new batch. They need to get the message that the articles will be deleted, and to stop creating them. If the articles are left out there, they'll keep making more. [[User:Fan-1967|Fan-1967]] 20:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
::I've seen the nature of the junk, but I had not realized that there were so many. I find it disheartening, because I hoped I was rescuing some of the ones most unreasonably placed there, and I see I have been missing most of them. I've been checking 2x a day to try to spot the ones that sound like serious organizations or something else I might recognize. I look at 20 or so, & I've been getting about 1 a day. If I also tried to help ones not in my field, I have once or twice checked all the 100 or so non-image & non-rock-group-sounding & non-nickname-sounding & non-transmission-tower ones there at a time, and I found 3 or 4 where the deletion had been tagged with blatent carelesssness, sometimes clearly from seeing only the title.
::and the students etc keep coming. Frankly, I was suprised when I started that one could edit without registering, and changing that tradition would help. & would help cut the commercial spam too.
::It's beyond humans. We need a filter. Not a filter that would stop it all, which we will never manage, but at least some--such as a filter for those of 25 words or less. I'm trying to think of ways of doing this , and I'm developing some more subtle ideas. May I try a few out on you? I'm intending to serious gather some stats, but that's for next summer. I'm glad you realise I'm not a unthinking inclusionist. I go by topic and by article. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 05:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)


==My Thanks and a Question Re: [[Suz Andreasen]]==

Thanks for your keep for my article on Suz Andreasen. It's nice to know from a librarian since I spend most of my time in libraries. I was wondering if you know how long the article gets retained on deleteion notice before it gets decided upon. It appears there is finally a consensus. I would like to write about a dozen other articles and get more involved but I figure I don't want to knock myself out before I get one under my belt. Can you enlighten me about the process? It has been about 5 days now but no clue how this all goes. Thanks, Archiemartin[[User:Archiemartin|Archiemartin]] 12:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

==Procedure, Thanks, YOU DO ROCK!===
DGG - thanks for the heads up and for SUPPORT!!!! I am hoping that this gets kept tonight. I really want to focus my energies on writing more articles in this category. My next subject, Dorie Nossiter is dead, so I am hoping that will not be as much of a headache as this one has been. I want this kept. I will keep with it, but it would really be nice to get this finalized. Since I kisy looked at it is after midnight, does this mean, I have to just keep on waiting and checking? Also - since I counted more keeps, (albeit a few were "weak keeps" that I rebutted, I do see consensus. Thanks, ArchiemartinArchiemartin 05:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

==[[List of scientific journals]]==

Did you mean to get rid of Economics? --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 10:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. I have no idea what to add to it being a chemist. The artcle [[List of academic journals]] worries me. One journal per discipline! I know of no criteria that would allow one to select just one. The JACS article for chemistry is just USA POV. It is not the journal with the highest impact factor, but that is not usefull either since the highest is a very specialist review journal in surface science. I think all the journals should be removed and there should just be general stuff about each area. What do you think as a librarian and a wikipedian who seems to have spent a while on these lists of journals articles? --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 21:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

==A clear miscarriage of Wikijustice==
This is the third time in a short period this software description of a freeware package has come up for deletion: [[User_talk:Filll#Renomination_of_Group-Office]]. Since this is competition for some big players like Microsoft, I am wondering if there is not some ulterior motive to repeatedly attacking this. And now the author of this article has decided to quit. He was very productive and helpful and it disgusts me that we let what appears to be commercially motivated interests drive him away. Can anything be done here?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 18:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
==Bees and inebriation==
Please take a look at my rough draft at [[User talk:Filll/beedrunk]] and give me your opinion.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 21:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

==WEGO==

Hi, you de-prodded this station. Fair enough; it may be stations are notable. I've AfD-ed to hopefully get some consensus; your input there is welcome. [[User:Akihabara|Akihabara]] 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== This month's MCB Collaboration of the Month article is Peripheral membrane protein! ==

{{MCB AID|current=Peripheral membrane protein|last=RNA interference}} &ndash; [[User:ClockworkSoul|Clockwork]][[User_talk:ClockworkSoul|<b>Soul</b>]] 18:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== [[Intoxicant use in Tantric Buddhism]] ==

Um, the sources don't support the assertions of the article. That's why I nominated it as OR. [[User:A Ramachandran|A Ramachandran]] 22:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
:Apology accepted. You might also look at [[Vajrayana]]. The same editor tried to merge the material there. I didn't want to get into a conflict over being the same person who nominated the stand-alone article and simply tagged the material with citation requests. . It was shortly removed by another regular editor as "nonsense". I pretty much agree with that assessment. Interestingly enough, alcohol may be used as an intoxicant in Tantric Buddhism, which is well-known and documented in the article [[Ganachakra]]. But this wasn't mentioned.... I think someone is trying to imply that psychedelic drugs might be used. But I have never encountered any such use myself, nor any reputable source which documents such use... [[User:A Ramachandran|A Ramachandran]] 22:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

==Looking for a voice of sanity at [[Fruitarianism]]==
noticed you pop in at [[Talk:Fruitarianism]]. This article has been in serious trouble for some time as it has become something of a battlefield between two very strong povs. although the vast majority of conflicts have been resolved and some well-sourced material is there, the article, quite frankly, sucks and i am desperately looking for someone with a level head and no vested interest in a particular pov to help with some cleanup or even conflict resolution. if you're interested, you know where it is... -- [[User:Frymaster|frymaster]] 00:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

==Moderator==
Thanks for the correction, I should have looked it up first!
[[User:Labrt2004|Labrt2004]] 07:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

== EVP ==

"An objective presentation with minimal comment is the way to show it's nonsense"

It is up to the reader to look the NPOV evidence provided, and the sources that it is based on, and then to decide whether something is nonsense or not.

[[User:Perfectblue97|perfectblue]] 07:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, what I am concerned about are three things

# scientific and paranormal views are being mixed in the same paragraphs, leading to round and around sentences that can be misinterpreted (or designed to be misinterpreted). For example, sections that imply that EVP has been "proven to be false" by science, when in fact it has "not been proven to be true". We have only inconclusive data that can't prove that it is true, not conclusive data that proves that it is false.
# The fact that no pure definition is included as to what EVP is as a paranormal phenomena. Leaving readers unclear as to exactly what is being argued over. Nobody describes a Bigfoot as "A big hairy monkey thing, or something that looks quite like one".
# The fact that spurious claims are being disputed as if they were scientific claims, and excluded because of that. Spurious or not, claims have been made.

[[User:Perfectblue97|perfectblue]] 08:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

==Motto==

"I do not try to convert my opponents. I try to convert their audience."

Generally speaking, I don't try to convert anybody, I try to write a dispassionate account of what people believe, claim or prove, without thought as to whether one is right or wrong. So that people can get to grips with the history of a topic and its place in the scheme of things, not just whether it has solid foundations.

I guess that you could say that my motto is "notable lunacy is just as valid as notable science"

[[User:Perfectblue97|perfectblue]] 11:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

== Peer review ==

Hi, looking at the AFD for Worthington-Kirsh, I've been really curious how you went about finding if a particular journal is peer-reviewed or not -- both in the scientific/medical fields and in the humanities. Is there a particular resource you go to? I've been having so much trouble auditing that. TIA--[[User:Hollerbackgril|Hollerbackgril]] 12:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


THANKS!!!!!!!!!!
DR PIOTR BLASS

==[[Robert Mullen]]==
Could you please explain why you think Wikipedia is better off with an article about this person, who appears to be totally undistinguished? By removing my prod notice I suspect you have left Wikipedia with an article that will stay at one line? Why is that beneficia to the writing of this encyclopedia? I want to help, but the main deletion process is too much hassle. Did you have any specific reason for impeding my efforts? [[User:Hanbrook|Hanbrook]] 18:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
==Bees and inebriation==
I have constructed a somewhat whimsical draft about this subject at [[User talk:Filll/beedrunk]]. Do you think it has a chance to survive? I did get the bee expert [[User:Dyanega]] to help write it and edit my stupidities and give me feedback. Do you think it can survive as an article on its own? Or should it be part of other articles?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 18:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
==Thomas Wight==
'''Re: Versions printed already''' I gather from my reading that these are still important in the book world because of their bindings and typeface and also because often the earlier printings have disappeared, so Wight editions are the only ones that still exist. I did not research this extensively, however. Also, some of the titles he published he arranged to have translated, or were bundled with other works in a package or maybe in a binding. He is probably most remembered for publishing law books, and for publishing that Bourne manuscript with his father, which basically helped the English turn the tide against the Dutch, French, Spanish, Portuguese etc on the high seas. Otherwise, we might be speaking Spanish, I imagine. I will see what else I can turn up. The one person who wanted a picture is asking a bit much. I tried and tried to find out more about his personal life; it might be published, but not in a place I have easy access to. That will have to wait for someone who has more library priveleges than I do, and has more subscriptions to online collections of publications.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 00:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I just said a picture helps stave off deletion, which it does. A book title-page/illustration would be fine. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 16:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sephardic Pizmonim Project==
Hello. As far as the pizmonim project organization is concerned, it is already big in the Sephardic community in Brooklyn. As far as an article about it, what type of information could we include that will make it "notable"? I personally won't take offense if the page must be taken down, but I would like to give it a shot in having it staying up if possible. Also, as far as being mentioned in other sources, most of the sources are hard copies such as books and magazines. How can I prove to Wikipedia the sources if they are mentioned in books, should I tell you which book?[[User:David Betesh|David Betesh]]

==stecchini==

What makes him notable? --[[User:ScienceApologist|ScienceApologist]] 15:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

==Jyrki Niskanen==

Further to your comment at the AFD debate, I have re-written the [[Jyrki Niskanen]] article from scratch, and would appreciate your opinions. Thank you. [[User:Eludium-q36|Eludium-q36]] 18:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

==Jim Shapiro==
He is not mentioned in a general discussion of legal ethics, and that is the problem. Only the Wikiepdia editor mentioned him in that context, and misrpresented the sources he cited.[[User:Jance|Jance]] 20:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
::Both AfD and the disputed tag apply. Thanks.[[User:Jance|Jance]] 23:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

==Quote==
I love the quote on your user page "''I do not attempt to convert my opponents -- I aim at converting their audience''." I did a google search and couldn't find it other than here. Who originally said that? Was it you? I'm a quote fanatic and I would like to be able to correctly attribute that one when I add it to my collection. [[User:SWAdair|SWAdair]] | [[User talk:SWAdair|Talk]] 08:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
==Thomas Wight==
Another of my articles that was hit with a speedy is Thomas Wight. I have been slowly nurturing it in a sandbox. Here it is so far: [[User:Filll/Thomas Wight]]. Is it worthy of WP?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 22:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
: Any reason why this quote: ''"for when the stomach is full and stuffed with meat, the abundance of humours is carried to the head, where it sticketh for a time and layeth as it were a lump of lead upon the brain."'' was removed? I also wonder about a couple of the asides, about the usefulness of some of these books. I was amazed that the book on laws of the forest was used until the mid-1900s as a standard text. That is over 300 years ! I also am intrigued by the notion of manorial courts, but that might be a bit far afield for this article.--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 23:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
::Launched as [[Thomas Wight]].--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 01:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

==Impact factors==

As a librarian could you guide me to find impact factors for scientific journals. I have access to many journals through my university but I do not seem to have access to "Journal Citation Reports". Are there other sources? There are many journal articles that have, quite rightly, a "citation needed" tag after an impact factor. Getting this right is very important because adding an impact factor gives an independent assertion of notability for a journal. Most journal articles only have references to web pages for the journal itself or its publisher. I'd like to fix these. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 00:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for your reply. I'll ask the Monash University library people about Journal Citation Reports. Having an honorary position means I only go in about once a week and since January here is very much a holiday period, I have not been in since before Christmas. Everything starts up again after Australia Day next Friday. I do not want to quote the publisher. For example, all the Royal Society of Chemistry journal articles give an impact factor, added by people who work for them (although that point is not important because I can check the site, but it does get people to keep an eye on the articles they edit). I want an outside verifiable source to show that the outside thinks that the journal is notable. I do not think anyone would challenge a reference for the impact factor to the publisher, but at some point someone is going to challenge that a journal has no references other than from the publisher. I'm clearer about what I'm looking for now. Again thanks. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 22:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
::I do not think anyone is challenging the notability of peer-reviewed journals (yet! do I hear "academiacruft"?) but getting it established is a good idea. Putting all the information you gave me in one place is also good. Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 22:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
:::It has happened. Someone just put a prod tag on [[Chemical Physics Letters]] just after I had added a reference to the impact factor. I have removed it and explained reasons on the talk page. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 00:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I just came across two new stubs for [[Journal of Physics A]] and [[Journal of Physics B]]. They were not good. I have added stuff. Could you please add ISSN numbers and impact factors? I do not have them because you only sent me the chemistry list. I could not find the ISSN on the publishers web page. I can not get into the Monash library until Wednesday since I just discovered they are closed Monday and Tuesday to move into a new building. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 00:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

==William Fulbecke==
I decided he was famous enough that he deserved his own article (actually all of the authors Wight published are pretty famous). But mainly I wanted to get that great quote in. So I have a stub in the sandbox for you to look at: [[User:Filll/Fulbecke]]. It has a ways to go, but it is a start. He wrote the first book on international law as near as I can tell. He wrote a book that is STILL in print giving advice to law students. He wrote books giving definitions of contracts etc that are STILL quoted. And he wrote a play that is pretty bad for the Queen. And a popular work on Roman history and a more scholarly work. Unfortunately there are two lawyers named Thomas Hughes and we only have an article for the later one. --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 02:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
:I was bold. I made the article at [[William Fulbecke]]--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 02:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
: You are right. I need to learn more about bibliographic formats here. But I am slowly learning. I thank you for helping me. I really appreciate it. I will note that [[Thomas Hughes]] is not the same [[Thomas Hughes]]. --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 02:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

==Arthur Ferrill==
As we disagree on the notability of Mr Ferrill I've nominated as an AfD - [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Ferrill]] to open up the debate. No offence intended [[User:Madmedea|Madmedea]] 10:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
==Another draft==
[[User talk:Filll/beedrunk]] is a draft that I do not know what to name, but I am thinking about [[Bees and intoxication]], something like the [[exploding whales]] article, but with a bit more scholarly bent and science. I have vetted it with two bee experts, [[User:Rosser1954]] and [[User:Dyanega]] and tried to deal with their complaints. I have also posted notices on several bee pages and projects here inviting people to comment on it and edit it. I think it has gone about as far as I can take it, modulo an extra reference or two. So I am reading to "publish" it to the mainspace here. Comments?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 18:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

== LIS ==

Hi, would be interested in commenting on [[User talk:Pegship#LIS]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 20#Category:Library and information science &rarr; Category:Library science]]. —''[[User:R._Koot|Ruud]]'' 02:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


==Prods==
I noticed you talking about spurious attempts to delete academics. I have just deprodded a few:
*[[J. du P. Scholtz]], apparently prominent South African philologist, was prodded with the noninformative and disparaging comment ''nn "scholar"''. I suspected a copyvio, but can't identify where it would come from. Regrettably I find no obit or other good biographical source either, but the basic data are likely to be correct.
*[[Stanley Palmer]], American historian, has written at least one major book.
*[[Orin Starn]], American anthropologist; had been on AFD, hence it is against the instructions to prod him.

The same guy who prodded Scholtz also prodded [[Kamal Narain Singh]], a former [[Chief Justice of India]] (if only for a few weeks) as a "nn judge". (The article was copied from the official website, but I stubbed it.) I don't check everything I see on [[WP:PRODSUM]], and some things are just too short or too badly written to even be worth saving, even when the subject is obviously notable (Starn really needs a rewrite, and I'm not sure the current article is much better than a red link, but it wasn't even properly categorised). [[User:Uppland|up◦land]] 23:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for the support. What I do with PRODSUM is to check on names that look like they are not going to be a random student saying hello, and are not about a rock musician or video game or something else I don't know enough about to say anything useful. If I think there's some chance, I deprod. For a few where it can be quickly done or if the author isn't around to help, I improve a bit. Either you got there first on these, or I missed them. I will check the articles to see if I too can add something helpful. If there are others where you thing anoth ed. might make it more solid, let me know. I just deprodded [[Abigail Levine (choreographer and dancer)]] who seems worth a discussion, & [[The World and Other Places]], by a notable author --no one seems around to fix this one, [[Charles Hampden-Turner]], ditto ditto [[Christina_Sormani]] notable mathematician who forgot to include her papers in the article. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 00:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
::I seldom look at CAT:CSD, as it is more difficult to make out the spurious taggings from all the real crap. But I recently saved [[Ayinde Bakare]] from speedy deletion (now on AFD). Basically, like you (I guess), I try to identify and save academics, representatives of non-pop culture such as classical musicians, and non-Western people (like Bakare) or generally non-Anglo people (there is a degree of systemic bias even against Western things from outside English-speaking countries). There is also a bias against businesspeople, but with all the corporate bullshit and impressive-sounding titles with uncertain meaning that comes with the territory, it is sometimes difficult to make out who is really important (but look at [[John L. Weinberg]], who clearly is and survived AFD; somebody still tried to prod him again after that, against the guidelines). I never try to save professional "wrestlers", and there are some other categories that I never really bother with either. Not that I have anything against Western pop-culture or sports, but these things will always come back if they are really notable. The big holes in coverage shown by the fact that Ayinda Bakare was nominated for speedy deletion, despite apparently being one of the most important representatives of a popular African musical genre, shows that we have to more careful to nurture those areas which are underrepresented, encourage writers working there, and sometimes make an extra effort to save badly-written articles that could safely have been deleted awaiting a better version if it had been about some American TV personality. ([[Jùjú music]] is just a stub, and another important Jùjú musician, [[Tunde King]], who was described as the actual founder of the genre in some article I found on JSTOR, has no article at all.)

::It seems to me that some users are more prone than others to make these spurious deletion nominations, and have a track record of bad or at least dubious nominations. I'm not sure it is proper to mention names, but if you hang around PRODSUM for a while, you'll figure it out. The group isn't constant, as some leave or change accounts, and some new users learn what should be taken to AFD or what may actually be salvageable.

::And just for balance, a couple of points that may be made in favour of letting a PROD run its course, even when the subject is notable and the nomination reason bogus: One reason is that, if the article is ''really'' crappy, it may be better to let somebody actually interested in writing a good article have the honour of starting it from scratch, rather than some mass-producer of substubs or some illiterate POV pusher who can't be bothered to cite decent references. A second reason is that it may be better than an AFD, which risks creating a kind of perceived precedent against the subject or similar subjects based on an article that may not do its topic justice. In either case it is a matter of judging the likelihood of somebody else recreating the article in better shape. (If you think you can do it yourself at your leisure, don't bother trying to save something that needs a complete rewrite. It is too easy to waste time and energy on talk and project pages that could be used on actual article writing.) The newbie-biting aspect has to be taken into account as well. If the author is a new user that may do better things once s/he has mastered the formatting and all that, deletion is an off-putting thing. If the author is somebody who has been around for years writing unreferenced one-line substubs and never developing them, it really doesn't make a difference.

::The reason my talkpage is blank is that I am about to take a break. But I'll keep an eye on this discussion. [[User:Uppland|up◦land]] 11:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Watching speedy deletions==
<div style="background-color:#eedeee; border:1px solid black; padding: 0.3em;">
''[[User:DGG|DGG]] said'':
You mentioned to Elaragirl your Firefox bookmarks to look at speedy categories--just what did you set up?--I suspect the application of the categories is too random to be reliable, but Id like to give it a try.
</div>

Hi there DGG. It's really easy to monitor for speedy deletions in each category:

Create a folder on your bookmarks toolbar entitled.. well, I've entitled mine Wikipedia, because I have more than just speedy deletion categories in there, whereas you could just entitle it Speedy Deletion Categories, or something similar.

Next, I bookmark links to individual speedy deletion categories' "What links here" page, simply by dragging the tab onto the bookmarks toolbar. For example, for all of the pages marked with db-nonsense, link it to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Db-nonsense&limit=5000&from=0 and entitle the bookmark "Pages for CSD G1 - db-nonsense".

Similarly, the following:

<center>
{|
|border="1" align=center bgcolor=FF9090|[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Db-test&limit=5000&from=0 CSD G2 - db-test]
|align=center bgcolor=FF9090|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Db-pagemove&limit=5000&from=0 CSD G3, db-pagemove]
|align=center bgcolor=FF9090|[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Db-repost&limit=5000&from=0 CSD G4, db-repost]
|align=center bgcolor=FF9090|[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Db-banned&limit=5000&from=0 CSD G5, db-banned]
|align=center bgcolor=FF9090|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Db-histmerge CSD G6, db-histmerge]
|}
|}
== Coming up on one year ==
</center>

Whichever ones you want to include on there, from the complete list of [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Deletion templates|Deletion Templates]]. As you can see, in my sandbox, I have included db-nonsense, db-test, db-empty, db-bio, db-spam and db-talk (for talk pages without corresponding articles), and that table is completely copyable if that's where you want to start from. I hope this helps you out. [[User:Bobo192|Bobo]][[User talk:Bobo192|.]] 04:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

<div style="background-color:#EEFFFF; border:1px solid black; padding: 0.3em;">
''[[User:DGG|DGG]] said'':
I understand. It will be interesting to see how many get marked for an inappropriate category--this seems a relatively easy way to check up on that. Thanks.
</div>

Some occasionally do, but most of the time the categories are clear enough that regular Speedy deletion taggers will know which ones should be categorized and with which template - and, for that matter, those for which it would be clearer merely to use <nowiki>{{db-reason}}</nowiki>, with a more specific note. [[User:Bobo192|Bobo]][[User talk:Bobo192|.]] 04:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Dr John H McNeely==
On this [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr John H McNeely]] you talk about teaching award and books written, but I can't find any mention of these in the article. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I !voted. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 05:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)



==Comments from outside==

Hello! You made comments in [[Kazimieras Garšva]] could you take a look at it then have more time, because many questions still not answered and [[WP:LIVING]] still applicable. Thanks, [[User:M.K|M.K.]] 20:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you very much for your help. Could you please look a bit and in article [[Vilnija]], because there Mr. Garšva`s works are called ''quasi-academic'', while then I trying to correct it I always being reverted by particular contributor [[user:Piotrus]]. Thanks again for help. [[User:M.K|M.K.]] 21:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought you would probably benefit from a little background on this debacle. K.G. and Vilnija's article were created after a user (M.K) started using Vilnija/Garsva's publications in order to push his POV in [[Armia Krajowa]] article (see [[Talk:Armia Krajowa]]). After questions about those sources being (not) reliable and violating [[WP:NPOV#Undue_weight]] and related policies were raised, we finally created pages on those sources. One of the goals is to decide whether publications of this organization and people related to it about ''history'' can be seen as reliable. You may want to comment on that point.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 04:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Sorry DGG, using your talk here, but this particular contributor misleads again. First of all Piotrus, '''we''' should be moved to '''I'''. All your "questions" of "reliability" of presented academic publications was limited only by your speculations and [[WP:OR]]. Somehow you missed to provide '''any''' academic background for the source, which denounce its presented facts. And article Vilnija was created to discredit the source and this is WP:POINT. And as history shows also [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:LIVING]]. And you right about Undue weight, now the article based exclusively on polish sources, while by trying to add info you reverting it all the time, including to check the sources, which are rather questionable. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vilnija&diff=101687514&oldid=101685001] and of course do not hesitate to remove neutral reviewer tags. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vilnija&diff=102599391&oldid=102558999]. [[User:M.K|M.K.]] 18:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:Generally you're right. However, the problem with mr. G and his organization is that apparently hardly anyone considers it reliable. I've browsed through google books and it seems all references mention the organization along with some more or less qualitative statements (such as ''extremist'', ''nationalist'' and so on. I bet there are more refs in Lithuanian, but so far our Lithuanian friend was not able to cite them - and I'm unable to do that since I don't speak Lithuanian at all.
:Other thing is that apparently the article sums up the beliefs of Vilnija pretty well. Or does it not? ''<font color="#901">//</font>''[[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 08:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
''<font color="#901">//</font>''[[User:Halibutt|Halibu]][[User talk:Halibutt|tt]] 08:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

::Once again, let me state clear - by any means I do not agree with Garšva's views, (and sincerely, I know them only as they're presented in the article) - and I do not want to whitewash anyone. Although, and this is only my opinion, for now article on Garšva does sum only Polish press views on him. There are no official documents, no organization statute, no officialy proclaimed goals of the organisation. You might say, that the one, from English book, that does cite mr. Garšva's book from 1988 does. So let me ask you, does it clearly state that he didn't change his views in last 19 years? You might not remember, but in 1990's there was quite radical time, and many people did say things, they most probably would not say now. Does this justify Garšva? I think not, although I do not think it's reason not to treat him fair.
::And once again - the purpouse of creation of the article is quite contraversial - to prove it is not a valid source. Point taken. I think M.K might find more reliable sources on AK actions in Vilnius region, than Vilnija's publications, and I think I've found some publications on AK actions in Belarus. --[[User:Lokyz|Lokyz]] 10:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I extensivly searched for English or Polish references to Vilnija or K.G.; all that I found (and is used in both articles) are highly critical references to him (I have not yet found a single ''neutral'' or ''positive'' ref to him or the organization). I am still waiting for our Lithuanian collegues to present refs that would show him in a positive light, and preferably try to debunk the refs I found. As for him changing his views - we have refs from recent years (2004, 2005) that still show his works as controversial ('nationalitic', 'anti-Polish'). I believe that a commentary by [[Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs]] is pretty reliable. PS. If BLP is applied to organizations, then I repeat my earlier request if you can take a look at [[Talk:Armia Krajowa]], where M.K attempts to insert information about AK being responsible for genocide in Lithuania.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 17:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:Ok.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 05:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe we stuck with it [[Kazimieras Garšva]]. [[User:M.K|M.K.]] 12:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for the input, hope it will be stable. [[User:M.K|M.K.]] 20:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

== Audrey Glaser ==

The article [[Audrey Glaser]] did not credibly assert notability; it just said she was a prodigy who spoke 7 languages and had "recieved [sic] 100% on all assignments since third grade." But what clinched it for me was how I found the article. I found it after speedily deleting the following article by the same author:

Jaya Agnihotri has to be the coolest person ever. She has likes for Joe Crede, Southpaw, and Ewoks. She never tells anybody how high her IQ is

I then checked that author's contributions; the only other one was the article on Ms. Glaser. Given that history, the odds were pretty close to zero that Ms. Glaser was an actual prodigy whose intelligence might have attracted attention from reliable sources (none were cited in the article). So I'm comfortable with the speedy in this instance. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] 01:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Afd/speedy ==
I did that because there was already one vote for speedy deletion and I don't think it should've gone to AfD anyway since 2 other similar articles by the same user did not. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 05:28, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

==Audrey Glaser==
Yes, I would argue that the admin in question disregarded procedure in deleting the article after 7 minutes. But I'm not personally annoyed about it, as I recognise that 95% of editors would have speedy-deleted it anyway. My personal preference is for AfD rather than speedy, as I think it's always better to give articles a chance; however, this is my own viewpoint (as an inclusionist) and I recognise that the majority of editors feel differently. To be fair, I was quite aware that the chances of the article being valid/credible were close to zero; I just preferred to give it a chance, just in case. [[User:Walton monarchist89|Walton monarchist89]] 08:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Hello, DGG... Alan2012 here (quackwatch talk page) ==

Got your message. Thanks. I cross-posted the thing about peer review as a ''courtesy'', since it seemed that no one (?) was aware of the papers I cited. Whatever. They can do with it as they please. I am not pushing a POV. I am "pushing" knowledge of the current relevant literature.

I may add it back to Weasel Words, where it is clearly relevant. I simply want the editorial group there to be AWARE, for God's sake. Why you or anyone would have an objection to this, I have no clue.

Ciao.

-- [[User:Alan2012|Alan2012]] 04:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== [[WP:NPW|NPWatcher]] approval ==

You've been approved to use [[User:Martinp23/NPWatcher|NPWatcher]]. Please give me any feature requests or bugs. I'm also happy to help if you have any problems running the program, or any questions :). Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if I've made a new release (or just add the main page ([[WP:NPW|here]]) to your watchlist). Finally, enjoy! <strong>[[User:Martinp23|Mart]]<font color="red">[[User_talk:Martinp23|inp23]]</font></strong> 17:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

==db tags==
''I'm relatively new here, but I thought that once some other than the author had taken off the db tag one was not supposed to put it back.''

That's {{tl|PROD}} tags: see [[WP:PROD]]. Ultimately, the applicability of db tags is up to whichever admin is speedying (is that a verb?) pages at the time. --[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 06:50, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

==Spam==
''Seems notable from its list of teachers and students and probably can be well sourced. I already removed some of the puffery, of course.DGG''

Guy, it's spam, part of a campaign. Here's the [[Walled garden (media)|walled garden]] checklist:

*{{Article|Michael Neff}}
*{{Article|Michael B. Neff}}
*{{Article|Algonkian Writer Conferences}}
*{{Article|NYC Pitch and Shop Writers Conference}}
*Editors:
:*{{User|Solneffmike}}
:*{{User|4.249.12.103}}
:*{{User|4.249.15.197}}
:*{{User|4.249.15.91 }}
:*{{User|JJD}}
:*{{User|Fzone9}}
--[[User:Calton|Calton]] | [[User talk:Calton|Talk]] 07:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
==CSD==
Note my edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:DGG/sandbox4forspeedy1&diff=103105898&oldid=103088606 here]. [[User:NoSeptember/Signature13|<font color = "green">'''NoSeptember'''</font>]] 08:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
<br>Replied on my talk page. [[User:NoSeptember/Signature13|<font color = "green">'''NoSeptember'''</font>]] 19:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy Delete: Satya Vrat Shastri ==

DGG, thank you for your edit. Although the article on [[Satya_Vrat_Shastri]] is quite informative, the main contributor, [[User:Rsbj66]], is known to be spreading articles related to Hindu/Indian studies to promote his own website(s) and ultimately his [[The Misunderstood|music]]. The said user cites himself as a resource and that is {{tl|originalresearch}}. You have not cited any other sources either, so the artile should remain tagged as original research. As for the speedy deletion, the article is still salvageable if it does not refer to Rsbj66 (A.k.a. [[Richard Shaw Brown]]) - the referral makes it a self promoting spam article. So, until that is done, I must retag the article. -- [[User:Emana|Emana]] 19:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
: DGG, thanks for your reply. Yes, you are absolutely correct in that this kind of dispute should not be taken care of by speedy deletions. But please explain why you have removed the original research tag... as the University of Delhi site does not directly show any information on Satya Vrat Shastri - perhaps a different page? Also, can you help to cite specifically where the list of awards was compiled from? Currently, the most reliable source is the Dr's own site, which may be considered promotional. Salvaging an article beats deleting them any day. -- [[User:Emana|Emana]] 20:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
:: I moved what you wrote from my frontpage to my talk page. Unless you write in my Talk page, I won't get a message notice. Let's continue the discussion on the article's Talk page.

==Blass (copied from [[User_talk:Jreferee#Blass|here]])==
I would like to edit it so it has a better NPOV, but I will do so only with your permission. What c. should I edit? (Besides other qys I raised just now on delrev, who are these notable students? that usu. means students who have gone on to further brilliant careers as a result of ones teaching, not people whom one happens to have had in class. BTW, did you ever find any publications in math?'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 01:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
:I changed the infobox to better reflect what is in the article. The information I found is reflected in the article and I did not find any publications in math in the general areas where I looked (e.g., newspapers). From this, I believe that information about Blass' math efforts have not made its way to the general public. I am not qualified to review math journals and determine whether that information may be added to (or kept out of) the article, so I did not review math journals. The article now is open for anyone to edit, so please feel free to do so. -- [[User:Jreferee|Jreferee]] 15:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Philadelphia Buddhist Association ==

It's not at all clear to me why you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Philadelphia_Buddhist_Association&diff=100570790&oldid=99247710 removed the PROD tag] that I had placed on [[Philadelphia Buddhist Association]]. Your edit summary says, "''de-prod 'contains erroneous capitalisation.' is not a reason.''" This would seem to imply that "contains erroneous capitalisation" was the only reason I had proposed to delete it, which is not the case. What gives?&mdash;[[User:Nat Krause|Nat Krause]]<sup>([[User talk:Nat Krause|Talk!]]·[[Special:Contributions/Nat Krause|What have I done?]])</sup> 18:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

==Another candidate to consider==

I have scratched out John Cotta. Any comments? Will it get hit with a speedy?--Filll 21:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== looking for a moderator and/or contributors ==

[[Physics]] is being rewritten and we are looking for contributors and/or moderators at [[Talk:Physics/wip]] Do you have any suggestions? --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 16:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

== Phaistos disc reloaded ==
I remember writing you a while ago, that you would support an entry of the PD in the articles on printing if there is a credible reference qualifying the PD as printing. I found one. By a professor of linguistics in the renowned journal ''Gutenberg-Jahrbuch'' in an article which specifically deals with the definition of typography. The question is now
* how to phrase the entry
* how to organize the material, since it warrants inclusion in no less than three articles (Printing, MTP, and the Phaistos Disc) [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] 01:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OttoBib.com|Deletion debate]] on [[OttoBib.com]] ==

Hello, DGG. I see that you've discussed the OttoBib software with [[User:Dhaluza]], and actually tried it out. An article [[OttoBib.com]] was created, but is now nominated for deletion. I've not entered my vote there yet. My guess is that the program would have to qualify for notability per [[WP:SOFTWARE]] in order for the article to be kept. (Mere usefulness would not be sufficient). Links from WP to the web site would, IMHO, need careful justification. Here is the [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OttoBib.com|current deletion debate]]. Since you've tried the program, I would be interested to know your opinion. (There is also a similar internal tool by [[User:Diberri]] available at [http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/templates/] that you might have heard of). If OttoBib is not suitable for an article, perhaps an internal Wikipedia page could be created that lists out some bibliographic tools that would help in writing the encyclopedia. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] 21:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
==Taj Mahal RFC==
Thanks for your contribution to the RFC - in the interests of clarity would you link the WP article regarding [[Purushottam Nagesh Oak]]'s book - or did you mean to refer to the [[Purushottam Nagesh Oak]] article? Many thanks. --[[User:Joopercoopers|Joopercoopers]] 11:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed merger - Organizations & Companies ==

Proposed merger - Organizations & Companies

In December I revived the discussion about merging the notability guidelines for Companies & Corporations into Organizations, with simplified text reducing the confusion of all of the special circumstances, which now reads like the US Tax Code. In mid-January I proposed that we make a decision by the end of January, and move to developing the text. The vote is now open at Talk Companies and Corporations.

--[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 02:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==Notability of failed candidates==
Hi DGG, I note that in this AfD [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Peter_Gandolfi|here]] that you say "It seems to be well established elsewhere that major party candidates in a election for the legislative body are notable whether they win or lose". I'm wondering where you get this data. I see that [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Precedents#People]] notes that the precedents are that "Candidates for a national legislature are not viewed as having inherent notability". Best Regards. [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 15:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:"the precedents are only as strong as the recent decisions" ummm, ok the precedents aren't really important afterall, we just go with the most recent !vote. Cheers, [[User:Pete.Hurd|Pete.Hurd]] 20:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy candidate? ==

[[LO Zone]]--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 20:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
How about [[Pogo Island Hands-On]]?--[[User:Filll|Filll]] 20:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Surujrattan Rambachan]] ==

FYI - I removed the prod on the article - he is the mayor of the largest town in TT, and is an otherwise nationally important political and cultural figure. I'm tracking down some refs to expand the article. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 01:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

El Cajon Valley Players
i saw you proded the article but did not do right so i proded it for you because thats what you wanted right if not i will remove it ok[[User:Oo7565|Oo7565]] 03:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
no problum i am new to this here i am learning as well[[User:Oo7565|Oo7565]] 03:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion of [[Kyle collins]] ==

No, this wasn't a special circumstance, just a normal instance of [[WP:CSD#A7]]. It is not a policy violation for an admin to speedy an article like this directly. Some admins have a personal policy against doing so, because they prefer to have input from two people (the template-placer and the deleting admin) on the deletion decision, but I am not one of them. For borderline cases where a second opinion is useful, I'll use one of the db- templates and wait for someone else to delete or keep it, but there are many, many, many cases where it's completely obvious that the page needs deleting. This is just a guess, but I suspect that most of the admins who do [[Wikipedia:new pages patrol|new pages patrol]] or [[Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol|Recent changes patrol]] do the same as I do. (And actually, now that I look at it, [[Kyle collins]] ''was'' tagged with {{tl|db-bio}}, but Sly-eye removed the template.) Regards, [[User_talk:FreplySpang|FreplySpang]] 09:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
: Well, another admin could check, I suppose. (As you probably know, admins can view deleted articles.) Or the article creator could object. But I don't really see what needs to be "solved" here. Part of the deal with being an admin is that one is trusted by the community to make the right call on these things - that's why we go through [[WP:RFA]]. The rules are pretty clearly defined at the top of [[WP:CSD]], which says, "The 'Speedy deletion' policy governs limited cases where administrators may delete Wikipedia pages or media 'on sight' without further debate." By the way, if you particularly care about reviewing [[Kyle collins]], the content of the deleted page was the same text and image that [[User:Sly-eye]] has on his user page. [[User_talk:FreplySpang|FreplySpang]] 08:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

==''[[Carnival in Flanders]]''==
Hello! I'm curious as to why you created a red link on this page when it's apparent this French film from the 1930s never will have an article in English Wikipedia. I can understand editing articles to create blue links, but why bother if the result is a link that forever will be red? I'm not criticizing you, I ask only because I like to understand why other editors make the choices they do. Thanks! [[User:SFTVLGUY2|SFTVLGUY2]] 16:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leo A. Soriano]] ==

You commented on the talk page of [[Leo A. Soriano]] that the reason given for a {{tl|prod}} of this article was inappropriate. Another editor has now listed the article for AfD. Please see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leo A. Soriano]]. --[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] 02:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Side High School (Fort Worth, Texas)]] ==

Thanks for participating at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Side High School (Fort Worth, Texas)]]. I wanted to let you know that I found some references and added them to the article. --[[User:Eastmain|Eastmain]] 01:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== introductions / overlaps ==

Hi DGG - Just saying hello. Noticed we have a significantly overlapped set of interests -- I was an academic / systems librarian, before I went to law school to work on copyright, open access, and the like; and I'm not a biologist myself but my partner is, so I work on biologist & other scientist biographies. ... Very glad for the work you're doing on the academic articles. --[[User:Lquilter|lquilter]] 06:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

==Thanks for your good arguments==
Thanks for your good arguments in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mount Enterprise Independent School District]]. Best regards, [[User:Icemuon|Icemuon]] 10:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tall women, List of tall men]]==
Please see new combined deletion debate. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 20:08, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== Iceland Presidential Election ==

The article doesn't run well with me for a few reasons. The first is the lack of context. You seem to be convinced that this article does have context- if the context is the title alone, then I think there is a problem. I didn't realise that I had nominated it twice, I apologise for that. Secondly, there are no sources. Obviously, not a deletion criteria. Something else that bugged me was my own fault, I misread the box, muddling 'presedential elections' and 'parliamentary elections'. The fact that the whole series is like that does not make it any better- I mean, it makes it worse- we have a whole series of badly formatted articles. They just don't have satisfactory context, for me. They look nasty, and unprofessional. They don't look like good stubs, they look very much like the kind of very poor stub that I would normally nominate for deletion. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] 22:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Check some other election articles for other countries. They are ''all constructed just the same.'' Your dissatisfaction appears to be with the WP policy on how articles on the subject should be written. You are certainly welcome to disagree, and, if you think it worthwhile, try to change the policy--there may be consensus for changing it. But the way to express it is to bring it up on article talk pages, or on the talk pages for the infoboxes, And then, if you still want to change it, open a discussion on it at the Village Pump. Personally, I'd advise doingagainst doing that unless you think you'll have support on that particular issue. I have some policy disagreements, but I havent brought up any there until I have one that I think will succeed.
:It is almost certainly not a good idea to express your personal views on policy by speedies. Remember that speedy is only for uncontestable articles--if you think there might be any problem, or that anyone might reasonably disagree, you should use prod or afd. I use prod for borderline cases, so others have a chance to see and comment. WP::CSD-- "these criteria are worded narrowly and such that in most cases, reasonable editors will agree what does or does not fall under a given criterion. Where reasonable doubt exists, discussion using another method under deletion policy is recommended. "
Also "Before nominating an article for speedy deletion, consider whether an article could be improved or reduced to a stub; speedy deletion is for cases where an article does not contain useful content" -- I think tis means that an ''improvable'' stub should never be listed for speedy. Most people dont list them even for prod, unless a few month of trying havent brought improvement. The deletion process is not intended for poor quality articles, just articles that shouldn't be in WP at all. (Typically, if I see a bad article, i will spend at least a few minutes trying to improve it at least a little)
:There are various proposals at various places to end or sharply limit the use of speedy because of this sort of problem. I think it a useful procedure in obvious cases, and I would not like to see that happen. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 01:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, it has just occurred to me how badly I have been editing over the last few days, and, worse, arguing with everyone. I'm sorry, I'll work on it. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] 23:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
::Thankyou for the message. I use speedies all the time, and I also clean up new (and old) articles all the time. However, as I say, the quality of my edits have been slipping, I will relax for a few days. I appreciate that you have discussed this with me, and I thank you for your advice. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] 23:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

== RE: ==

Please put new discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Real Social Dynamics (2nd nomination)]], and not an old archive. Thank you. (you might want to think about [[WP:ARCHIVE|archiving]] your talk page too). -[[User:Royalguard11|Royalguard11]]<small>([[User talk:Royalguard11|Talk]]·[[User talk:Royalguard11/Desk|Desk]]·[[User:Royalguard11/ER|Review Me!]])</small> 00:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

== Removing Speedy Delete Tags ==

<s>[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove [[Wikipedia:Speedy deletions|speedy deletion]] tags from articles that you have created yourself{{#if:Workers Vanguard|, as you did with [[:Workers Vanguard]]}}. If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please place {{[[Template:hangon|hangon]]}} on the page (Please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag) and make your case on the article's {{#if:Workers Vanguard|[[Talk:Workers Vanguard|talk page]]|talk page}}. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. {{{2|Thank you.}}}<!-- {{uw-speedy1}} --></s> --[[User:Silverhand|<span style="color:silver">'''Silverhand'''</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Silverhand|Talk]]</sup> 21:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:I have never removed a dv tag from an article I created, and in fact none have ever been placed on an article I created. I do remove them from articles that others created if I think them unjustified, as is explicitly permitted by the rules on the template. I often make an edit to improve the article as well, as perhaps this made it appear that I was removing a tag on my own article, <s>But I am not sure just which article you have in mind.</s> Perhaps after you check the edit history you may want to say something on my page. As I do sometimes remove such tags,, I try very carefully to stay within the rules, and would like this acknowledged. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 21:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
::I apologize that you are unhappy I tagged [[Workers Vanguard]] as [[WP:CSD#A1|CSD A1]]. I've reviewed [[WP:SPEEDY]], [[WP:SD]], [[WP:SK]] and [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Explanations]]. Admittedly, I may have missed something in my review. Could you point out the relevant article that provides for a non-administrator's ability to remove a CSD tag from an article? Thanks! --[[User:Silverhand|<span style="color:silver">'''Silverhand'''</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Silverhand|Talk]]</sup> 21:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::The template says " if you are the author of the article do not remove the template, " which certainly would normally be interpreted to say that anyone else can. Hangon is provided for the ''author'' as an alternative. In fact, i do this two or three times a week, when I think it incorrectly used. Please indicate where it says anyone other than the author can't. I'll mention this on the CSD discussion to get other comments, & so we will not need to argue this between us.'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 21:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::Sounds fair. I'll watch on the discussion and follow along. Thanks again! --[[User:Silverhand|<span style="color:silver">'''Silverhand'''</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Silverhand|Talk]]</sup> 21:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I sincerely apologize for my misunderstanding of how the [[WP:CSD]] process works with concern to the removal of tags by a non-admin. I do appreciate the time you've taken to help clarify the next steps in this process, and I look forward to particpating in the process, as defined in [[WT:CSD|recent discussions]]. --[[User:Silverhand|<span style="color:silver">'''Silverhand'''</span>]]<sup>[[User Talk:Silverhand|Talk]]</sup> 16:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[WP:LoCE|League of Copyeditors]] participation drive!==
Dear League member,

We've started a participation drive for the remainder of February. If you can, please help clear the backlog by adopting the following goals each week:
* Select an article to copy-edit from the [[:Category:All articles needing copy edit|backlog]]. After your copy-edit, list the article in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_League_of_Copyeditors/proofreading#Articles_ready_for_final_proofread|articles ready for final proofread]] section.
* Select a ''different'' article to proofread from the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_League_of_Copyeditors/proofreading#Articles_ready_for_final_proofread|articles ready for final proofread]] section.

Thanks for your help! <small>[[User:BuddingJournalist|Budding]]</small>[[User_talk:BuddingJournalist|Journalist]] 01:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

==Roadcruft==
Well, I guess I finally nailed my colors to the mast -> [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999‎]]. Did I go too far? Or not far enough? [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 02:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:You guys went way too far. According to the [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocking policy]], you can be blocked for damaging Wikipedia. And mass deleting a the 5400+ road articles is damaging the work of 100+ editors. '''[[User:Vishwin60|<font color="orange"><span style="background-color: #303030">&nbsp;V</span></font><font color="cyan"><span style="background-color: #6E6E6E">6</span></font><font color="red"><span style="background-color: #8D8D8D">0</span></font>]]''' <sup><font color="black">[[User talk:Vishwin60|VTalk]]</font> · <font color="blue">[[Special:Contributions/Vishwin60|VDemolitions]]</font></sup> 03:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
::What the hell??? I didn't mass delete anything, and I have no indication DGG did either. Back up or back off, jackass. [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 04:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:::[[WP:CIVIL]]??????? --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]]''' ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) 04:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
::::My point exactly. [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 04:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::That was directed toward you, Edeans. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]]''' ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) 04:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Yeah, I got that. DGG can speak for himself/herself, I'm sure. [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 04:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Edeans, you made a personal attack against Vishwin60. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]]''' ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) 04:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Nope. ''Vishwin60'' made an unwarranted accusation against me and DGG. [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 05:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm going to drop it for now, but calling Vishwin60 a jacka** was uncalled for. --'''[[User:Rschen7754|Rschen7754]]''' ([[User_talk:Rschen7754|talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rschen7754|contribs]]) 05:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
:I myself did not try to delete any road articles, just broadcasting towers, & that's being compromised in a friendly way. I'm not in the least bothered by accusations that I might have and see no need to get angry, because the edit history is straightforward & if anyone gets confused--which can easily happen in the course of a long AfD discussion--I can just explain it to them. I hadn't even head about a mass deletion, and I think it would be a poor way to go--I have never tried a mass anything--I prefer to make tentative tries one article at a time & back off if there's too much opposition.
:I do not think I have more than once or twice said something directly personal and even then in polite language. I've often said edits or deletions were wrong, and sometimes said why, but the few times someone has taken it personally I've apologized, usually in several places.
:Others I work with sometimes use impolite language--if we have a common goal I will continue working with them, but I never support such language--I have a few friends here who do need reminding from time to time.
::V60, when Edeans made a comment on my talk page about nailing colors, and I said I thought his comments right, I was referring to just 2 comments at Rt 999, and my advice otherwise was to go slow. I would not have nominated that Calif road for deletion in any case, and if it hadn't happened too fast, I'd have voted keep. Back to normal, I hope. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 05:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


==[[Anne Eleonore of Hesse-Darmstadt]]==
I replied to you on the talk page of that article. I assure you, I am not trying to be an ass, or push a some wierd agenda: I simply want to focus on improving the 1.6 million articles Wikipedia already has, mainly because my strength as an editor is not writing, but copy-editing. I guess that makes me fairly reactionary against what I see as being (sometimes) frivolous addditions to an already bloated repository of trivia. I hope we can come to an understanding. [[User:Salad Days|Salad Days]] 03:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

==Articles for deletion: Anders Sandberg==
As I noted in a comment on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anders Sandberg]], you're incorrect that he's not mentioned on the [[transhumanism]] wiki article, he is mentioned both there and in the [[list of transhumanists]] article. [[User:Hypnosifl|Hypnosifl]] 03:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

==Return to Normalcy==
''didn't I say something about being careful.? Even I would have voted keep on this one.DGG 05:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Edeans"''
Indeed you did. We simply disagree on this one, but I cannot mind about disagreements I have with editors which accord respect to me and to others. But as you may have already discerned from the above, I will NOT be cowed by "arguments" from bullies. Not that I want to get all [[G. Gordon Liddy]] on you, but I can be as subtle or as confrontational as needed for the cause. I will duly and carefully regard your advice, agree or no. [[User:Edeans|Edeans]] 06:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Gutenberg ==
I cut out the material concerning EA typography. For reasons, please see [[Talk:Johannes Gutenberg]]. Regards [[User:Gun Powder Ma|Gun Powder Ma]] 15:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy deletion request from anonymous user. ==

<s>You have previously reversed a request for speedy deletion from an anonymous user. This anonymous user is at it again, and I'd like you to take a look at the article [[Lucca Brazzi]] and see if you agree (or disagree again) with this anonymous user.</s> [[User:StudyAndBeWise|StudyAndBeWise]] 00:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

:Nevermind, somebody else removed the speedy deletion request. Thanks for your time. [[User:StudyAndBeWise|StudyAndBeWise]] 01:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry for that. I'm coming from the germanspeak Wikipedia where the same article already has been deletet because it is a fake. I just wanted to delete it here too. (see [[:de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/9._Februar_2007#Cäsar_von_Lohringhoven_(gelöscht)]]) [[User:80.219.211.132|80.219.211.132]] 17:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
::So it seems it is a hoax, but as speedy is not for hoaxes, W.Marsh did it just right using prod & I have put a note to that effect on the article talk p.. Of course it is important to get rid of en versions of hoaxes detected in other WPs. But I could assert that anything obscure was found a hoax on another language WP, and if I listed it for speedy & the admin was a little rushed,...21:14, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

==Let's talk. Please see my user page.==
[[User:Coalitionwatch|Coalitionwatch]] 23:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)




== Otto ==

Yes, I undersatand. What do you think should be done with the rest of the class? [[User:Dhaluza|Dhaluza]] 12:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Brazilian Academy of Sciences]] ==

Thank you for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brazilian_Academy_of_Sciences&curid=1524920&diff=107712441&oldid=107409729 paring down the redlink farm] that this article was. I was hoping someone would do that for a long time. [[User:Grandmasterka|<font color="red">Grand</font>]][[User talk:Grandmasterka|<font color="FF0099">master</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Grandmasterka|<font color="red">ka</font>]] 01:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== Ebony Anpu AfD ==

Hello. You recently commented and/or voted on the AfD for the [[Ebony Anpu]] article [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ebony Anpu, first try|here]]. FYI, the AfD has been reset because the discussion was not about the merits of the article, but instead about procedural issues. You are welcome to leave a new comment about whether or not the article should be included here, at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ebony Anpu]]. In order to be as fair as possible to the article's creators and those who feel it should be deleted, '''all''' comments about Wikipedia deletion procedure as it relates to this specific AfD are being directed to the AfD's talk page, [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Ebony Anpu|here]]. Thanks for your time, and sorry for the wikispam. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] - ''[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson/Shazaam|Shazaam!]]'' - [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson|&lt;*&gt;]] 18:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

== AfDs ==

I was browsing through AfDs and saw your comments on [[Ebony Anpu]]. I thought they were very fair and clear. Could you take a look at another AfD? It's a similar case, but does indeed have two mainstream references. The article is [[Sam Webster]]. [[User:Khabs|Khabs]] 21:34, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:Added a couple of comments at the AfD for Webster. Not sure whether you are watching it, so wanted to let you know. [[User:Khabs|Khabs]] 01:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

::So, I'm confused. On the Ebony AfD you said, "I will support the article if there are two truly RS mainstream sources to base it on--not about the religion, for that is well-documented. About the man, which is the subject of this article." Did you not mean it? Does it not apply to other individuals? Because Webster has some 10-20 pages devoted to him in a book published by Harper, and mentions in books published by University of South Carolina Press and University of Pennsylvania Press. As well as more mentions in lesser books, journals, etc. So why doesn't that count as a keep? You said it would if Ebony Anpu had such sources. I can add more minor ones if you think that's necesary. There are a few more I haven't added yet as they wouldn't add a lot, but they are accounts of Webster's comments, actions, etc. [[User:Khabs|Khabs]] 06:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)]] ==

[[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)]]

It has been proposed that the following criteria be removed from this guideline:
1. The commercial organization is listed on ranking indices of important companies produced by well-known and independent publications.3
2. The commercial organization's share price is used to calculate one or more of the major managed stock market indices.4 Note this is not the same as simply being listed on a stock market. Nor is it the same as being included in an index that comprises the entire market. The broader or the more specialized the index, the less notability it establishes for the company.

We are close to evaluating consensus, please join with us in the discussion.
--[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 04:47, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== Speedy question ==

What do you think of [[Abus Gun]] (and several related articles by the same editor) which appears to be an article whose only source is a videogame? I have complained repeatedly since Jan 21, with no response from the primary editor. --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 05:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

== Please Please Help!! ==

Dear Friend,
I am trying to let all the world know about a very interesting part of Psychiatry for which the nearest possible researcher was Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and I came in contact with her organization when they were busy inviting people for her funerel. After her the only feeble portion very specifically surviving is described in the article [[Philosophy of Death and Adjustment]]. Please help me build this articlev. Edtit it as you like, and as needed. But please help. You do not even need to reply me. I do not much understand or have enough time to read and learn how to talk or discuss. Please forgive me for that, I love wikipedia and it is very helpful. Please just edit it as you think it should be for survival. A whole branch of Psychiatry can be awaited behind this article. Please help me -
Samir,
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry,
e-mail me : hmanjur@bttb.net.bd
::I made a remark on the discussion p., & if the article gets kept i will improve it. I am a little reluctant to do much ahead of time , because I think it will be deleted anyway. But if no other support comes, I'll try. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 23:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I will pray and wait for your support. I believe any experience hand on it might just help it survive. I hope you understand my interest in keeping a feeble part of Psychiatry alive as a teacher of it. [[User:203.112.199.92|203.112.199.92]] 01:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

== I think you may have signed with 5 tildes instead of 4 on [[Talk:Intelligent Design]] ==
subject says it all. I thought I'd notify you. [[User:Ikanreed|i kan reed]] 06:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
== Pls note ==
Dear Sir,
I have elaborated to everyone, who objected, about the 'Philosophy of Death and Adjustment' article very clearly in their talk pages seperately and in the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philosophy of Death and Adjustment]]-- for all to see. Pls read it for yourself. I am not a very smart person in such activity and pls forgive me for anything stupid, but I tried to be clear and honest. In that page I saw someone asking you if you can edit the article upto the mark and also referred that your comment was on my request. But I think nothing here is worth hiding. So once again, will you pls take the challange for me, ofcourse in a rational and meaningful way, not emotionally. I'll be grateful.
Mohammad Samir Hossain
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry
[[User:203.112.197.18|203.112.197.18]] 16:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:: I am editing it according to my own judgment to what I think will give a reasonably good article & best keep it from deletion--which will make it quite short-- but I alert you it may be deleted anyway. In order to preserve the present form,userified I have userified it--copied it onto your user talk page, along with Chalyres' advice about what to create as a new p. in case this one is deleted. But there is something I need:'' the citation to your own published work;'' if it has not yet been published the entire section will need to be omitted. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 23:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[Creation according to Genesis]]==
You seem to be of a slight misunderstanding of my reason for suggesting delete and merge: Actually, it was mainly the J vs. E text part that set me off: It's done so much better in the [[Genesis]] article, and very awkwardly in [[Creation according to Genesis]] - it just seemed that putting it back in with the rest of Genesis would allow that part of the commentary to stay with the high-quality description, which only seemed to leave a bit of the rest of the article after that. Eh, weel. Anyway... I accept the vote, though do think it could be done better. (And I have no objection to Creation according to Genesis not including evolution, as it's not including Creationism, which isn't actually the same as Biblical belief.) [[User:Adam Cuerden|Adam Cuerden]] <sup>[[User_talk:Adam Cuerden|talk]]</sup> 03:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

==[[Talk:Vilnija]]==
Just reminding you that this discussion is not closed yet. Unless you agree with my remarks?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|&nbsp;Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&nbsp;]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;">&nbsp;talk&nbsp;</font>]]</span></sub> 15:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

== Beijing UFO ==
Hey can you help share your thoughts on the Beijing article here? [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Beijing_UFO_Research_Organization]] (:O) -[[User:Nima Baghaei|nima baghaei]] 14:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== Polish artists ==

I have the feeling that there is a concerted effort and that there will be some deletions forthcoming but so far most seem to pass [[WP:N]], which makes me think all the more that we need new guidelines for artists and a few more people willing to immerse in the matter to make founded judgment of notability else we will be the artist's phone book [[User:Alf photoman|Alf photoman]] 22:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

:: There are many attempts to get the place cleaned up, and one should commend Piotrowski (that his name?). The matter is not easy though because many things are subjective and pass fast. If we take the ''young wild'', a Berlin movement of the 90's we see that they were the total hipe yet right now you could not even get a professional critic to name you ten of them, art therefore a field with many mines buried in it.

As for publicity, Wiki is extensively used for propaganda and I don't see how to avoid it unless it goes into extremes like the German MP's who made a hobby out of vandalizing the other parties articles. I think the Germans are paying them too much tax money [[User:Alf photoman|Alf photoman]] 15:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for your comments ==

... in the discussion about "[[Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises]] should be official policy." The goal is to protect Wikipedia's reputation as a neutral encyclopedic resource, and protect Wikipedia from civil liability. The consensus appears to be that [[WP:BLP]] should be modified to include ongoing enterprises. What do you think? Please add your comments to the existing discussion on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Wikipedia:Articles_about_ongoing_enterprises_should_be_official_policy this page.] [[User:DeanHinnen|Dino]] 11:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== fixing my bad date on Johann Christoph Wichmannshausen ==

I just wanted to thank you for fixing that date. It was embarrassing to see that I was so far off. Best, [[User:Smmurphy|Smmurphy]]<sup>([[User talk:Smmurphy|Talk]])</sup> 06:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

==sig==
The flag you are using takes up 7 lines in the edit box. It should also work if the lines are run together. Friendly comment, not complaint.'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 01:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
: Thanks for pointing that I out. I had no idea that was happening—those 7 lines of code don't appear when you use the {flagicon} script within an infobox. ([[Omar Easy|example]]) I thought it was a cute trick, but I guess I'll stop using it. —<b><font color="000066">[[User:Xanderer|xanderer]]</font></b> 01:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Scientific Journal ==

Thanks for informing me. I had just finished adding a comment to an article about a completely non-notable (and no longer existent) website. I was patrollying the new pages list, which tends to be ''filled'' with non-notable articles. I came across the article in question, and saw it as non-notable(as it asserted NO notability), and possibly considered "little or no context", these categories being CSD:A7 and CSD A1,(as seen [[WP:SPEEDY#Articles|here]]). I tend to be a little on the deletionist side, mostly because I value the overall quality of [[Wikipedia]]. Thus I marked it for deletion, but it did not qualify for deletion after you merged it into an article worth saving.(have to leave now, on a schedule, might post more later)--[[User:Vox Rationis|Vox Rationis]] 14:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== hermaitge ==

will you please revise your discision to delete [[Hermitage High School]] we have revised it enough that it should now be notable <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dr William Wright|Dr William Wright]] ([[User talk:Dr William Wright|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dr William Wright|contribs]]) 20:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

== CZ ==
(from discussion elsewhere):
I just don't see what can they do to stop wiki steamroller, which is bent on being '''THE''' place to collect all important information. As one of my favourite saying goes: ''The avalanche has already started. It is too late for pebbles to vote.'' PS. I am always happy to discuss such issues, so feel free to msg me with that subject as often as you wish.-- >[[User:Piotrus
Just listening in, but I see no reason why anyone in WP should be hostile to CZ or consider it undesirable competition. From what I understand, their main problem is endless discussions of the rules rathe than writing--which is not unknown here; the difference seems to be that the people there tend to discuss in much longer essays. Remember that WP is free to use their content, just as they are free to use the content here. Ideally, it should result in improvements in both places. '''[[User:DGG|DGG

You're welcome. Maybe my response follows from an overinterpretation of your remark, please note, however that - as far as I'm aware - none of us thinks in terms of hostility or competition; Well, while I'm (positively) interested in, my colleague looks quite skeptic about both CZ's chances to work and some possible superiority I suggested (he's still a bit interested in).

Anyway, you're welcome to give your opinion on the subject if you like. You mentioned a problem with overdiscussing rules, but it looks natural at the beginning and is likely to pass away. However, a more delicate -and perhaps more important- issue would be how they can deal with complex and difficult behavior. I do not care for the ''straightforward'' jerks and trolls, but for those who Jimbo described as "borderline cases — people who do some good work, but who are also a pain in the neck". Do you think CZ would be more efficient in this regard? You seem to know it a bit, so what's your impression ? --[[User:Beaumont|Beaumont]] [[User_Talk:Beaumont|<small><span style="color:#118811">(@)</span></small>]] 21:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

:::I think CZ will be much more effective in the borderline cases, and that this is one of its main advantages. The need for concurrence of an editor as well as the original writer &c should deal with it, together with the more mature attitude of the authors. There are topics I will not work on here that I would work on there, because of excessive POV pushing here, often from those with views I in fact share but whose manner of argumentation I deplore. By "mature" I do not mean age--there seem to be here many grown-ups with intolerant attitudes and many younger ones with excellent discretion and common sense--I assume it will be similar there. (The other advantage of course is the more scholarly nature & certification, but this is only an advantage in some topics) ((And I believe there has in fact been one disruptive troll attack over there already, quickly dealt with) '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 22:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks :-) BTW, that's interesting what you say about POV-pushing. Sometimes I feel similar.--[[User:Beaumont|Beaumont]] [[User_Talk:Beaumont|<small><span style="color:#118811">(@)</span></small>]] 23:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== Effects of global warming on Australia page completely rewritten - 40 references ==

Effects of global warming on Australia page completely rewritten - 40 references
The article now has over 40 referenced statements and is based largely on a report prepared by Australia's premier scientific research organisation the [[CSIRO]]. The referencing of the article now compares very favourably with most other articles I have looked at. The article has no POV. The report on which it is based was prepared for the Business Round Table. It ought not be deleted now, even if it should have been before. Could each person who has recommended deletion please review and reconsider your view. Thanks [[User:Phanly|dinghy]] 07:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
== Third opinion ==
I'm picking you at random from a recent AFD discussion. If you are willing, please provide a third opinion at [[Talk:LOL (Internet slang)#Yet another useless "Here are some random occurrences in film and on television." section]]. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] 23:06, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

==My recent AfD nominations==

Greetings! I just wanted to clear up some concerns I thought you may have had about some of my recent AfD nominations. I am currently helping clean out all the unassessed biographies that are part of the {WPBiography} project, so I have been assessing articles and giving them a rating. Currently I am working on clearing out the sections from '''X''' through '''Z'''. As you can probably guess I am in the '''Y''' section now. As for the articles relating to the ''Three Kingdoms'' and [[Chinese]] history, I am taking the articles at face value and if they fail to contain any pertinent information or fail to meet the [[WP:BIO]] standards, I nominate them for deletion. As they currently stand, they do fail to meet [[WP:BIO]] standards since they do not contain any references and appear to have been tagged as {fiction} for some time without being furnished. That being said, I have nominated them and let the community decide. My hope is that it will raise ''some'' interested in these articles and they will be furnished with new information and cleaned up. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused, and thank you for commenting on the AfD. --[[User:Ozgod|Ozgod]] 15:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
(I have replied on your page as follows
::You have also sent a similar message to me, but though I find the original deletion perhaps understandable, I do not find it so understandable that you are continuing. The WP article on the novel makes clear that this is one of the great classic Chinese novels, that it is historical fiction, and that all the principal characters are both in the novel and in real-world history. This is making a great deal of work for the rest of the people at AfD, but perhaps someone will as a result adopt them.'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]'''

==AfD for [[Karen Hanton]]==
Hi,
Thank you for your detailed and constructive comments on the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karen Hanton|AfD page]]. I've added 4 more sources and an external link (and some more content) to the article. The new references are #s 2, 3, 5, and 6 (one of which is ''Telegraph.co.uk''). The external link (the fifth one) is another interview. As far as I can tell, they are all independent of Karen Hanton. Would you please review the article once again and comment on the revised version? Thank you, [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] 05:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for reviewing your comment. [[User:Dhartung]] has also improved the article significantly since then. Cheers, [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] 17:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

== Category:Settlements in Kurdistan - and relevant subcats ==

As per your comments on [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_February_26#Category:Settlements_in_Kurdistan_and_non-deleted_others|the deletion review]], I was wondering if we could analyze the issue. The CfD was polarized into a political debate which created a no-consensus. I am having difficulty communication my rationale to other people that participated in the debate. I was wondering what you had in mind with "see the general picture" idea. :) --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 13:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
::I replied on your talk p., and would like to keep the discussion there.'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 18:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

== Academics ==

Thanks for the note. I look forward to working with you. --[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 20:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

== Growing Earth Theory ==

Thank you for the change of "vote" on its deletion. Your integrity is notable and your comments well taken to heart. [[User:MichaelNetzer|MichaelNetzer]] 21:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

== WP:N Talk ==

Hi. I edit conflicted with you and then dropped my new "peace" section above yours as it was in context to the prior statement. But then I thought that I was being rude. Would you prefer that I move my peace offering before your observation? Thanks! --[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 04:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== what is WP:Snowball ?? ==

I tried to wikify it on your user page but it does not seem to exist. When I looked for it, I was unable to find it. --[[User:Filll|Filll]] 15:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Christina Sormani ==

Hi, DGG!

I have nominated [[Christina Sormani|this article]] for deletion. You removed the PROD tag a few days ago, so I thought you'd like to know &ndash; you might want to participate in the AfD discussion. Please read [[WP:BIO]] first, though. If that guideline had been fresh in your memory, you would not have removed the PROD tag from this non-notable biographical article. Have a great day! [[User:DavidCBryant|DavidCBryant]] 16:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== About lists of films AfDs ==

Hi DGG, and thank you for trying to save one of our WP Films lists ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of childhood-related films|List of childhood-related films]]). If you see any more film lists nominated, please, notify us in [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films|WP Films]]. We had several of our lists nominated lately with no notification, apart for a notice in our categorization department about a CfD on a category that included several of them, so I got the chance to notify the project and we saved some of them. Thanks. [[User:Hoverfish|Hoverfish]] <small>[[User talk:Hoverfish|Talk]]</small> 08:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

:I agree with your view on the lists. Some of them have become somewhat of a playbox for editors who like trivial associations. Yes, "featuring" opens the door to such trivial entries. I am all for renaming, cleaning up and giving a short explanation after each entry as to the role the title element plays in each film. This way lists become informative and play some role other than duplicating categories. I will try to motivate list editors in this direction and will do some samples where I can. We already have such an example, [[List of films featuring the United States Marine Corps]], which started during the AfD. And thanks for offering further help. [[User:Hoverfish|Hoverfish]] <small>[[User talk:Hoverfish|Talk]]</small> 08:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== Lisa Feldman Barrett article ==

Thank you for removing the tags. Since your edit, I have added a few more references and stripped down the language further. [[User:Djbwiki|Djbwiki]] 05:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

==Warnings==
Per [[Wikipedia:user page]] please post warning messages only on their talk page. Happy editing. [[User:Mkdw|<span style="font-size: 13px arial; color: #3366FF;">Mkdw</span>]][[User talk:Mkdw|<sup>''talk''</sup>]] 07:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== Miah ==

Sorry to bother you with this, but I really fail to see a references section in the article, could you give me a pointer ? [[user:Alf_photoman | <font face="Amazone BT">Alf</font><font face="Aldine401 BT" size="2"><sup>Photoman</sup></font>]] 23:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Could be, my problem is that I was looking like crazy but could not find any... maybe wrong glasses... thanks. It would be good to leave a note to the editor about comprising the references into a marked section so blind guys like me can find them [[user:Alf_photoman | <font face="Amazone BT">Alf</font><font face="Aldine401 BT" size="2"><sup>Photoman</sup></font>]] 00:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Just trying to help.... thanks [[user:Alf_photoman | <font face="Amazone BT">Alf</font><font face="Aldine401 BT" size="2"><sup>Photoman</sup></font>]] 00:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== prod ==

Thanks. It might have been a mistake on my part - my brain gets into a bit of autopilot when looking at new pages. Do you know which article(s) you noticed? --[[User:Strangerer|Strangerer]] <small>([[User_talk:Strangerer|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Strangerer|Contribs]])</small> 03:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

==Abus gun==
Hi DGG. The information for the abus gun article appears to have been taken from the [[Age of Empires III]] game booklet. As a result, I could not tell whether the article described a [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28writing_about_fiction%29#In-universe_template|fictional topic from an in-universe perspective]] or a real item. I read your [[Talk:Abus_Gun#to_be_clarified|to be clarified]] comment. Perhaps you can fix this so that another editor does not come by and slap a {{tl|In-universe}} template on the article. Thanks. -- [[User:Jreferee|Jreferee]] 08:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== Indigenous Aryan Theory ==

Your comment on the deletion page indicates you support keeping it to give minority theories a fair chance. The problem is that this article is filled with POV against the theory. It's created, Dbachmann, suggests it be moved to [[Hindutva revisionism]] or [[Hindutva and pseudoscience]]. An article well-written by minority theorists is [[Out of India theory]], which covers all the facts of the IAT plus more. This article and Dbachmann's attitude towards writing such articles does nothing to support minority theories, it only shows how minority theories are random Hindu radicalist groups trying to change their history. ''' <font color="#000080">—</font> [[User:Nobleeagle|<font color="#000080">N</font><font color="#12098A">o</font><font color="#120ABA">b</font><font color="#2015E3">l</font><font color="#1364EA">e</font><font color="#2BA4EC">e</font><font color="#1364EA">a</font><font color="#2015E3">g</font><font color="#120ABA">l</font><font color="#12098A">e</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Nobleeagle|<font color="#2015E3" size="0.2" face="Arial Narrow"> <nowiki>[TALK]</nowiki></font>]][[Special:Contributions/Nobleeagle|<font color="#2015E3" size="0.2" face="Arial Narrow">&nbsp;<nowiki>[C]</nowiki></font>]]</sup> 08:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

== you know what... ==

Hi there,

looks like we were right about the media attention the SJ incident would get... and its so bad I can't even feel any glee...

Now I think it is time to start thinking about the consequences this should have... if you have any ideas you can count on my input and help [[user:Alf_photoman | <font face="Amazone BT">Alf</font><font face="Aldine401 BT" size="2"><sup>Photoman</sup></font>]] 22:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Mark Radcliffe (filmmaker)]]==
I have reverted your reversion. Read the entry, please. What does the first sentence say? --[[User:CalendarWatcher|CalendarWatcher]] 22:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

== Re:Keith Ellison (politician) ==

Please give reasoning for your COI tag at [[Keith Ellison (politician)]] currently there is a move to delete many of the sub-pages about him that I've made, under claims that its mere pro-Ellison cruft while on the other hand many editors have found the segment which I had nothing to do with about his previous ties with the Nation of Islam as an unbalanced attack. Of course it could be something else, so please explain the problems you see with the article on [[talk:Keith Ellison (politician)]].
:--[[User:Wowaconia|Wowaconia]] 08:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

== From the article writer of Philosophy of death and adjustment ==

Dear DGG,
As a teacher of psychiatry I always liked your attitude of dealing things. I will be glad to let you know that my research is now mentioned in an online article
http://ezinearticles.com/?Concept-of-Death-Can-Influence-Mental-Health---A-Research-Finding-In-Bangladesh&id=478743
You can read it and any comment can be mailed to me at my e-mail address hmanjur@bttb.net.bd
Thanks
Mohammad Samir Hossain

== Thank you ==
Dear DGG,
Thank you for your useful suggession. I am working on it already. I have submitted the full scientific article to the journal of the University of Iowa. I do not know whether they will accpet it or not. I am not doing these just to be included in wikipedia article, rather I am doing these with the same reasons of my writing in wikipedia. I want to share my authentic feelings and thoughts with many many other people so that any science in it can be shared by other researchers too- thats the goal here.
Thanks
Samir [[User:Shoovrow|Shoovrow]] 02:18, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Riccardo Campa]] ==
I have replied at [[User talk:Black Falcon|my talk page]]. Cheers, [[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]] 06:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

== GE Hacks ==

good job...

noticed that Brandt had something to say about his AfD ? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Alf photoman|Alf photoman]] ([[User talk:Alf photoman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alf photoman|contribs]]) 00:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

==AfD page for List of conferences==
I added a comment in reply to your idea about categories. Basically I think that trying to duplicate all the many existing external lists of conferences is a non-starter. [[User:Andyjsmith|andy]] 11:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Attribution ==

You should read the wikipedia policy on attribution. It goes something like this: if something is true, but no published source says so, it cannot go on wikipedia. People's personal experiences or personal websites and forums are not allowed as sources.
"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original thought. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true. Wikipedia is not the place to publish your opinions, experiences, or arguments."
Original thought that had congregated on the internet elsewhere is treated the same as original thought that generated impromptu on a wikipedia page. That is the difference between self published and published by reputable sources. [[User:Lotusduck|Lotusduck]] 22:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== Superpower cats ==

Since you were earlier involved in the meta-discussion on superhero categories, please comment on the issue now that it's ended up on CFD again. [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_14#Fictional_characters_by_power]]. [[User_talk:Radiant!|<b><font color="#DD0000">&gt;<font color="#FF6600">R<font color="#FF9900">a<font color="#FFCC00">d<font color="#FFEE00">i</font>a</font>n</font>t</font>&lt;</font></b>]] 13:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== Scientific Activist ==

Please see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#George_Deutsch__.28history.7CWatchlist_this_article.7Cunwatch.29_.5Bwatchlist.3F.5D this page]. [[User:Cellularesque|Cellularesque]] is a sockpuppet of [[User:biochemnick|biochemnick]], who has a history of making vanity edits. // [[User:66.177.173.119|66.177.173.119]] 21:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC) I have replied to this anon user, who is also using 66.177.173.119 both multi-user accounts, at the COI indicated.. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 22:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

== heads up ==

[[Khachkar destruction]], which you voted keep for recently, has reappeared on Afd. Also, I would appreciate your thoughts on [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March_14#HHO gas, Aquygen, Brown's gas, Magnecular bond, etc.]]. I am mostly ambivalent to the latter, as the articles of mine (which you voted keep for; many thanks, as the nom forgot to notify me) are the two more important articles regarding this fringe science. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 10:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Re: Science ==

Sorry, you are right. I jumped the gun. --[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 07:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Justin Michael Jenkins]]==
You wanted this article kept (which it has been) but stated it needed improvements. Perhaps you could make some, as I certainly think it needs them. :) [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 04:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks for making a start! [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 06:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

== The resource exchange ==

{{WikiProject Resource Exchange User}}
Welcome to the resource exchange... here's your badge! :) ---[[User:J.smith|J.S]] <small>([[User_talk:J.smith|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/J.smith|C]]/[[WP:WRE|WRE]])</small> 06:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Natural History of South Asia mailing list]]==

This article is up for deletion can you kindly share your opinion on it [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Natural_History_of_South_Asia_mailing_list_%282nd_nomination%29]
.

Thanks [[User:Atulsnischal|Atulsnischal]] 12:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Hi==
I'd appreciate an explanation of what you meant by this comment: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kinnernet&diff=114942544&oldid=114936687]. Did you think the Free Republic article was a proportional response to the AfD listing? Or did you mean something else? Thanks. (P.S.: I mean this as straightforwardly as possible, not in confrontation!) --[[User:Woggly|woggly]] 10:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Policy ==

Policy is very clear in these regards.
Your interpretation of begs for closer reading of policy. Blogs and websites are acceptable from people about themselves in a much stricter sense than you suppose. The policy for use of unreliable sources describing themselves means that if you need a citation for why the musical group [[The Dresden Dolls]] got their name, their website would be a good source even though it is not published by an outside source or reviewed. You could not use The Dresden Dolls website as a reference for defining [[cabaret]] or [[punk]] because members of a group of people do not get to speak for that whole group on wikipedia just because they have a website. The same is true of a self published aquaphile journal as is of a forum post. It is very plainly another form of original research. [[User:Lotusduck|Lotusduck]] 04:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Policy is not up for automatic interpretation just because it is called attribution not verifiability-- in fact the term is bent harder against use of things that we may agree on as true and promotes more use of cited sources.
You do not need to tell ''me'' not to fight. You have assaulted my intentions, I have not yours.[[User:Lotusduck|Lotusduck]] 05:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
*comment by DG to put this into perspective: what I said in the AfD was
:The nominator of this article has nominated a number of articles about non-orthodox sexual practices, and succeeding in deleting some of them.
::The nominator says on her talk p. "This is not an attack on the big paraphilias, this is an annoyance with small chatrooms dedicated to a sub-subgenre of erotica pretending they have a medical problem on wikipedia. All in all, the whole phenomena is really annoying. I would start a special comission on non-made-up paraphilias and fetish if I even knew how."
:::(Given that, I think I accurately described the intentions).'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 16:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

==Smile!==
<div style="float:center;border-style:solid;border-color:blue;background-color:AliceBlue;border-width:1px;text-align:left;padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">[[Image:Csmile alt.svg|left|62px]]

{{{1|[[User:LaMenta3|LaMenta3]]}}} has smiled at you! Smiles promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! {{{2|}}} <br /> Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
</div><!-- Template:smile -->
Awesome job on finding some better references for [[Breast expansion fetish]]. (Um, that sounds weird now that I've written it...but anyway...) As I said in the AfD, it's not really something I have a personal interest in or even know a lot about (though I know more now from my search for sources) but I at least knew that it was something real and fairly prolific, deserving of at least a brief article as it seems to be a significant subculture. I'm preaching to the choir, here, though, and my babbling is probably ruining the smiley glow. So, have a good day and keep up the great work! [[User:LaMenta3|LaMenta3]] 19:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Cockroaches ==

Hello and sorry for the spam. You participated in [[Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion#Category:Wikipedians_who_own_cockroaches|this discussion]], which was closed but now restarted as a new discussion by the closing admin. In case you're interested, please join [[Wikipedia:User_categories_for_discussion#Cockroaches.2C_Part_2|the new one]]. Thank you. Regards, <strong><font style="color: #082567">[[User:Husond|Hús]]</font>[[User:Husond/Esperanza|<font color="green">ö</font>]]<font style="color: #082567">[[User talk:Husond|nd]]</font></strong> 20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

== Glyconutrients ==

Although you mentioned you're planning to remove [[glyconutrient]] from your watch page, I'd appreciate if you'd keep it around there just a little longer - maybe two weeks if you don't mind? You are a valuable presence, even just as an observer, in the discussion. Thank you. --<font color="red">[[User:Antelan|Ante]]</font><font color="blue">[[User:Antelan|lan]]</font> <sup><font color="darkred">[[User_talk:Antelan|talk]]</font></sup> 05:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== Take a peek? ==

Hey DGG I am new to WP (about 20 days). I have created [[Tom Short|an article]] which could possibly generate controversy so I want to have it as close to NPoV and as well-written as possible before the masses devour--it is nom for DYK. I saw an AfD about a religious topic and agreed with the philosophy behind your reasoning. Would very much like your input even if you wish to forgo editing. Will you proof [[Tom Short]]? Much obliged [[User:ClaudeReigns|ClaudeReigns]] 16:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
== Laurence H. Scott==
Thank you for this! As discussion at deletion appeal will show, I was caught in the middle of a battle over the Laurence H. Scott entry. Apparently people keep looking for Scott's own publications, when perhaps they might consider his importance as a printer, designer, and publisher of major poets. I've begun work to document that aspect of his career and would MUCH APPRECIATE someone's keeping the entry alive long enough for me to provide something that might turn that discussion into an informed debate.[[User:SocJan|SocJan]] 12:30, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
(from talk page)
== Blood libel ==

Thanks for your note. I think mentioning his name violates [[WP:UNDUE]], particularly as he himself has recanted his previous views. What do you think? [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 01:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==article titling==
Please see my reply at [[User_talk:Dbachmann/Wikipedia_and_nationalism#Hinduvata_pseudoscience]] -- I am most open to discussing questions of presentation, article scopes and titling, please provide input at [[Talk:Hindutva pseudoscience]]. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 12:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==Hindutva pseudoscience==
Since you commented on the afd, it has been re-Afd'd [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindutva pseudoscience (2nd nomination)]].<b>[[User:Bakasuprman|<font color="purple">Baka</font>]][[User talk:Bakasuprman|<font color="red">man</font>]]</b> 19:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

you may not be aware of this, but there is the possibility to {{tl|move}} articles. If you agree the topic is valid, as you said you did (and it is hard to disagree with this, since manifestly [[WP:RS]] are cited up front, as opposed to the "blogosphere" evidence we often let pass in Hindutva-fringecruft for lack of any real evidence), there is no way the article should be deleted. Sorry Bakaman, but [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]] was never an argument. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 09:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

==AfD: Laurence Scott==
I noticed that in the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laurence Scott]] you're on record with two different recommendations—'''Relist''' and '''Delete'''. Might you want to strike through the one that no longer applies? [[User:Deor|Deor]] 00:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Enoch Moore]] ==
You de-prodded [[Enoch Moore]] with the edit summary "Google??? He died in 1840." I disagree that notable people who died before "teh Internets" became popular will necessarily have no mentions of them on Google. I was prepared not to propose deletion if there had been even one result that indicated the subject had been involved in something notable as claimed therein, but there were no sources to back up that assertion. All I could find of someone who matched his name and birth place and year was some genealogical record. [http://home.golden.net/~jjdm/Moore%20Family%20Page/D1.htm] Please consider an article's (lack of) claims to notability, and whether these claims are sourced (they could be totally made up if unsourced), before de-prodding. Thanks. [[User:Resurgent insurgent|Resurgent insurgent]] 03:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:OK no problem with AfD. I gotta cool off before commenting on AfDs too... [[User:Resurgent insurgent|Resurgent insurgent]] 04:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Factually incorrect information ==

Hey there. I understand that you have very liberal feelings about notability but your recent edits to the [[E. Converse Peirce]] articles and [[membrane oxygenator]] page seem like whole cloth fabrications based on little more than a perusal of the guy's publication list. With regards to the membrane oxygenator, he doesn't hold a patent for it's invention and, among the dozen or so patents filed for membrane oxygenators in the 1950s and 1960s, he's only cited in one of them. That particular citation references an article which he published describing a modification to an existing membrane oxygenator. His earlier work on a pump was prefigured by a 1948 patent for artificial blood circulation (U.S. Patent 2556043). In other words, he was working on this stuff early on but he was by no means a pioneer.

I'm also wondering what basis you have to suggest that he is a pioneer for organ transplants. There is a difference between "published articles about organ transplants" and "major pioneering work". His first published work on kidney transplants, in the 1964 article you cite, comes a full decade after the first successful kidney transplant by Dr. Joseph Murray. It's hard to say that he was a pioneer. [[User:Irene Ringworm|Irene Ringworm]] 05:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:: Hey, I'll support you in your efforts to save articles. The citations you mention certainly confer notability and (as I've noted on his talk page) I have no more beef with the article. However, in my experience with you on this article and [[Alan W. Clarke]] my sense is that you tend to exaggerate claims of notability to justify inclusion. For a brief moment on wikipedia, moderately notable and well-regarded Dr. Peirce was promoted to "pioneer of transplants" and "inventor of artificial circulation technology", claims which are unverifiable because they simply aren't true. Liberal views on notability are one thing but exaggerating the truth to establish notability should give you pause. [[User:Irene Ringworm|Irene Ringworm]] 06:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Gutenberg Bible ==

Thanks for you words, and thank you for completing my correction of the [[Gutenberg Bible]] article, in proper English.
I was reading the Portuguese article about the Bible when I saw what I thought it was an error and from there I arrived to the English one(witch certainly was the source). Than I saw that also the Spanish, Esperanto, and I think the Svenska and Suomi also repeat the same. I corrected the two former but I can’t even try it on the two others! If you know anyone who can do it please tell them. Thanks, [[User:AntoniusJ|AntoniusJ]] 17:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

==local history fiend==
:''(A copy of our conversation from [[User talk:Realkyhick|my page]], just to trigger the "You have new messages" box.)''
how can this be stopped? Maybe today's seige will have an influence (smile) '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 05:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
:David, I assume you're referring to ''The Never-Ending Chronicles of [[User:Billy Hathorn|Billy Hathorn]].'' I have no idea. He seems to be polite enough when contacted about his actions, but he keeps on doing it anyway. I almost hate to say anything because he's actually a pretty good writer, but his subjects usually aren't notable. It just goes on and on ... [[User:Realkyhick|Realkyhick]] 05:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== Excercise physiology ==

My pleasure. I hope that things can work out smoothly now; I've watchlisted the page to keep an eye on it for a bit. Good Luck! -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] 06:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

==MPADV & MP1mgs==
I don't think the outcome if one of the DRVs should influence the other. LMRAdv. read much more like a game-guide because I never got round to cleaning it up. LMP1mgs, however, contained NO game-guide material whatsoever and so should NOT be affected by LMPAdvmg's DRV. [[User:Bowsy|Bowsy]] <sup> ([[Wikipedia:Editor review/Bowsy|review me!]]) </sup> 10:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Regarding notability of Football (soccer) players]]==
Hi, seeing you have been involved in previous Afd debates on the subject I invite you to contribute to this discussion to clarify certain issues about football player notability. I think clearer guidelines are needed to avoid repeated inappropriate nominations for deletion and time consuming discussions. Cheers! [[User:StephP|StephP]] 20:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for the complement. I love local history, especially the areas around where we live and never really examine. I appreciate your review of the debate and for your kind words. Take care. [[Bhaktivinode]] 29 March 2007

== Tap, tap ==

Just wanted to alert you to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2007_March_29&diff=118949974&oldid=118948758 my edit on DRV], as, if I'm reading your comment correctly, you thought the AfD was closed as a keep; you can check out [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Autocoitus|the AfD]] here, where the consensus was clearly to delete. —[[User:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#555;font-weight:bold;">bbatsell</span>]] [[User_talk:Bbatsell|<span style="color:#C46100;font-size:0.75em;">¿?</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Bbatsell|<span style="color:#2C9191;">✍</span>]] 03:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Machemehl]] ==

You gave two different opinions on this article (keep and weak delete). Could you, for clarity, strikethrough the one you no longer or least agree with? Thank you! [[User:Fram|Fram]] 05:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

==John Machemehl==
Hello. I am new to the wiki culture - as you can tell. The John Machemehl article has now passed its 5 days of debate. Do one of us need to close it? Sorry to bother you with this. Thanks. [[User:Bhaktivinode|Bhaktivinode]] 2 April 2007

==Vote! ==
Following your contribution to the discussion on football player notability you might be interested in voting [[Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Summary on the footballers discussion and a proposal|on this]]. Rgds, [[User:StephP|StephP]] 10:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Calthorpe Clinic ==

Some of the Lexis sources mentioned the clinic in passing, other articles were about the clinic specifically. WHen I made that comment I didn't have the time to add the sources, as doing so would mean spending 20 minutes sorting them out. That's why I asked the original creator to help out instead as they obviously know where their info came from. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Article about chemistry book ==

Hi, since you are a science librarian I was wondering if you might know anything about [[The Golden Book of Chemistry Experiments]]. It is said that this book (published in the 60s) was "banned" or "pulled" from public libraries because it was "dangerous" (presumably because it tells kids how to make chlorine, chloroform, hydrogen, hydrogen sulfide, all that smelly, toxic, or flammable stuff...) It is a fascinating story, but unfortunately I haven't been able to find any evidence for it yet. What is a fact is that the book is out of print and used copies sell for hundreds of dollars! Cheers, [[User:Itub|Itub]] 09:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

== Dates of birth and death in articles ==
David, I put dates of birth and death after people mentioned in the articles to benefit genealogists who might have an interest. Also it keeps the reader clear as to whether that person is living. As you say, excessive use of dates may clog up an article. So I can reduce them down where appropriate.

Thanks,

[[User:Billy Hathorn|Billy Hathorn]] 18:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==Proof of vandalism by NavyChaps and USMC Padre==

DGG, thought you might be interested in this checkuser report, since their vandalism resulted in total deletion of the Gordon James Klingenschmitt article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/USMC_Padre
Thanks for your efforts toward impartial editing. I couldn't make any progress either with that crowd of hackers. I finally had to walk away. But the admins exposed them in the end. Perhaps there is justice in wiki-land.
[[User:ChaplainReferee|ChaplainReferee]] 20:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== RE: Fetishes ==

The work I do is not a reflection of any personal moral position on sex. I don't recall ever questioning the existence of any of the fetishes or paraphilias that I've worked on here either (but there might be forgotten exceptions). I have no doubt that 95% of them really exist with some people, why else would they come here and write articles about them? I totally understand your point and I also understand why you think the way you do, it's a reasonable position in a way. It is not a position that is compatible with wikipedia's policies though. Just because someone believes in something doesn't make it [[WP:N|notable]] by wikipedia's definition of the term. Also just because people talk about it or form internet groups do those groups act as [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] according to wikipedia's definition of the term.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is not in the buisness of publishing things that are true simply because they are true. Everything that goes in wikipedia must be [[WP:V|verified]] via the [[WP:ATT|attribution policy]]. That's what makes it an encyclopedia and not just a public forum using wiki software. Simply coming here and adding material based on one's personal experiance or memory is [[WP:OR|original research]] and not allowed. I have no problem with these articles existing, as long as they can meet the criteria for inclusion according to policy. [[User:NeoFreak|NeoFreak]] 08:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not really sure I follow you entirely. I suppose I'm saying that it is not our job to ''declare'' Notability but instead it is the responsibility of the editor adding material to ''prove'' notability which is done with attribution and reliable sources. I'm just going to have to flat out disagree with your assesment of what constitutes a reliable source. Wikipedia is very clear on the criteria for what is accepted as a RS and what you're advocating is not the same thing. I have no doubt that we'll get a chance to work together more in the future (or rather preach to the same audience) and from your demeanor so far I have faith that it will be a constructive experiance. [[User:NeoFreak|NeoFreak]] 08:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

==Online general-interest book database==
No problem. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] [[User_talk:CambridgeBayWeather|(Talk)]] 05:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==RE:German Soldier's House==

see my response to your reply on the article for deletion talk page, or just look at this link.[http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,459704,00.html]

--[[User:Jadger|Jadger]] 08:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

==Beware the Yellow Peril==
[ill-considered remarks deleted] .[[User:Jörg Vogt|Jörg Vogt]] 07:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== re: Frederique_Constant ==

When you have a minute, would you mind returning to the Deletion Review discussion on [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 April 4#Frederique_Constant|Frederique_Constant]]? The link to the AFD discussion was incomplete. While the first discussion only had three participants, the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Stas|second AFD]] was more widely noticed. Thanks. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 06:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Restoring of Internet Troll Squads after AfD was endorsed ==

Hello DGG! It seems that user Biophys has restored recently his Internet Troll Squads article containing his original research again, this time under [[Internet brigades]] title.[[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 04:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
::Unfortunately I didn't keep such rubbish and admins deleted the original page. The only thing that remained is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_March_26 and AfD log - link there. Biophys again publishes so-called typical methods or distinctions of these alleged teams in order to discredit his opponents. His term "internet brigades" is also original research. He also doesn't publish Tygodnik Powszechny to the end, because this sources explicitly says it has no any evidence.[[User:Vlad fedorov|Vlad fedorov]] 04:36, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Vlad, thanks for the head up; in the Deletion Review I commented "Relist for further discussion", and further discussion is what I intend to do. on the article talk page & any subsequent deletion process. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 13:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

==Tom Short==
Thank you. Your revert of my edit was quite proper according to WP policies of attribution. [[User:ClaudeReigns|ClaudeReigns]] 08:35, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

==PNC Template==
It looks like we might be on different tacks toward the same course regarding the notability issue. I think it might be nice to discuss our objectives to see whether we have some common ground.

My goal is to simplify the notability infrastructure by the following: (1) eliminate superfluous sub-guidelines, (2) provide as much continuity among the remaining sub-guidelines and WP:N, and (3) develop a more welcoming structure for bona fide information while allowing us to combat the flood of spam and nonsense. Clearly this is no easy task and there are multiple ways to accomplish this or similar goals.

I see the broad inclusion of the pnc template as a good step toward continuity. If you look at the history at the template and at WP:N, you will see that I am not a supporter of the current form which I believe to be overly restrictive and subjective, but I do believe that if the template can be put into use and then prominently discussed in the light of day, more palatable language can be developed.

Your thoughts?

--[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 18:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

===I'm answering here, because it will be a bit of an essay===
In general I prefer a small number of flexible rules. The problem is that such flexibility permits an unlimited flexibility in interpretation towards either inclusion or exclusion. On the other hand, excessive specification leads to results not conforming to common sense, and their consequent evasion at AfD.
:But at present with the same discussions going on in multiple places over the same matters, I am concerned that it is likely to end in an ill-considered compromise adopted out of exhaustion. I very much distrust the current discussion for the confusion about what is being said :
:To protect against this, I think the best way is the development of entirely separate guidelines for special topics by people who understand the field and are prepared to defend their guidelines at AfD.
:The problem with the guidelines for academics is that the majority of WP people do not think academics very notable in the first place. I therefore think we would do best isolating ourselves from the general discussions, at least until we see how they will turn out. With regard to the notability of academics, it is not a good idea to have rigid requirements--AfDs frequently delete reasonably good borderline articles. The spammy ones are best handled by editing. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 02:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


David, I think of you often and wish we could have had one more phone call or I'd make it back to the meetups. My thoughts are with your loved ones. For those of us on wiki, anyone feel like a mini drive for David? Brooklyn, library, academic. I think he'd appreciate any or all efforts. I'm still on and offline so wanted to kick this off early for any ideas. [[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#be33ff;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#ff33da;">Mississippi</span>]] 02:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
== JG ==
:I missed the "one year" mark, being sick and in the hospital, and just wanted to add that I enjoyed the interactions I had with David. He was older than I by fourteen years. He was the same age as my sister who was, like David, an inspiration. He actually shaped, or I should state reshaped, some of my ideologies concerning Wikipedia. I would laugh, actually out loud, when I would see any of his typing errors. I could just imagine him saying "just fix it". DGG, I think I can safely state for many editors, you are missed. Our song choices may not match but this reminds me of a song [[George Jones]] sang: [[Who's Gonna Fill Their Shoes]]. -- [[User:Otr500|Otr500]] ([[User talk:Otr500|talk]]) 08:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)


== Gone but not forgotten ==
An outbreak of the usual. I see you're keeping busy! I suppose the Master of the playing Cards is not near the top of the to do list now? Cheers [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 04:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


It is with a heavy heart that I write this message to remember and honor David Goodman. It is hard to believe a year has passed so quickly. DGG, as he was affectionately known, was an esteemed member of our community but also a dear friend who touched the lives of many with his kindness, wisdom, and unwavering dedication. As an administrator and former member of the Arbitration Committee on Wikipedia, DGG played a crucial role in maintaining the integrity and quality of our shared knowledge. His contributions were marked by fairness, diligence, and a deep commitment to the values of open access and collaboration. His work here has left an indelible mark, and his absence is profoundly felt. Rest in peace, my friend...your contributions and friendship will never be forgotten. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"><small>Atsme</small></span>]] [[User talk:Atsme|💬]] [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 01:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
He has just reported me on 3RR [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Johnbod_reported_by_User:Gun_Powder_Ma_.28Result:_Incomplete.29 here] for daring to mention woodblock printing in [[Four Great Inventions of ancient China]], so I better say thanks quickly! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 04:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


*Hear! Hear! I'll never forget DGG's support and guidance during my first wobbly steps into the world of WP. He always remained the go to person if I had a situation where I was unsure how to handle it. --[[User:Randykitty|Randykitty]] ([[User talk:Randykitty|talk]]) 08:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Yes I saw. Another front opens tonight at [[Papermaking]] (not with Ma). Someone has found an 1863 book that says the Chinese did not invent printing at all (except actually it doesn't when you look at it). Seriously! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 05:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*Thank you, {{u|Atsme}}, for this fitting tribute. I learned a lot from DGG. When I was a fairly new editor, I disagreed with him about a notability issue and I explained my reasoning quite carefully. He responded something like, "You have made some excellent points and have changed my mind." I also remember that he did not like being called an administrator or ArbCom member in routine content discussions. He thought that all editors should be seen as equals in content matters, and only the quality of each editor's argument should matter. He was a fine man and a kind man, and I miss him. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
::He has made a number of other easily findable errors as well. I have corrected them and commented in the AfC. That 2000 yr old paper is a good cite useful in several places, i was able to confirm it .'''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' 08:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


*Someone mentioned academic notability recently and I nearly suggested they ask DGG, who was AfC unofficial expert in the subject, before I remembered. We weren't close, but he's still remembered. [[User:Rusalkii|<span style="color:#259a83">Rusalkii</span>]] ([[User talk:Rusalkii|talk]]) 05:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
::Many thanks for your comments! Do you have a decent ref for [[Cai Lun]], ideally with the historical source for him? Of course the article still remains China-less, for now. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 14:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
*Reminded of his innumerable contributions to [[WP:AFD]]. ''Requiescat in pace''. [[User:Arbitrarily0|<span style='color:black'><b><u><i>Arbitrarily0</i></u></b></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><b>([[User talk:Arbitrarily0|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#FF4500;">talk</span>]])</b></sup> 14:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


*May you Rest in Peace and Thank you for your contributions to learning. I work in Princeton, too. [https://paw.princeton.edu/memorial/david-goodman-64 The Princeton Alumni wrote this about you]. Even though we contributed to some of the same articles - we never engaged. Still, I look at your picture and know you were a good person. May your family be well. [[User:The Eloquent Peasant|The Eloquent Peasant]] ([[User talk:The Eloquent Peasant|talk]]) 16:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Actually for the moment this appears to be sorted. [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 21:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


* Ought there be a Wikidata item? [[User:Jim.henderson|Jim.henderson]] ([[User talk:Jim.henderson|talk]]) 04:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
== PNC etc. ==


== [[User:DGG (NYPL)]] ==
I agree with you on the single sourcing, and am actively trying to see that acknowledged in the template. I don't like the language of the template yet, but I would prefer to see consistency among the various permutations of the notability infrastructure. I think that if consistency is achieved, then people will join the overall effort to clean-up notability rather than fort-up in their own little domains. Right now a few editors have a lot of influence at WP:N and a few editors have a lot of influence at the individual permutations, but if the proponents of inclusion who work at the permutations get involved in the central effort, the project will become more open and simpler to understand. --[[User:Kevin Murray|Kevin Murray]] 21:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Not sure if this is the correct place to bring this up: Can the actions that have been taken to DGG's user page and account please also be taken at [[User:DGG (NYPL)]] since it's an alt? [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 02:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
== [[Master of the Playing Cards]] ==


:I labeled it as deceased. You'll need a steward for the global lock. [[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#be33ff;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#ff33da;">Mississippi</span>]] 03:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
I went ahead & developed this, but it can certainly be expanded - I think you had Helmutt L-H, although others seem a bit sniffy over him! [[User:Johnbod|Johnbod]] 03:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
==Dufferin Mall==
Why do you think Dufferin Mall is not a notable mall? [[User:Kingjeff|Kingjeff]] 04:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 04:33, 27 November 2024

                                       ARCHIVES

Barnstars, Awards, etc.

Reminders

Topical Archives:
Deletion & AfD,      Speedy & prod,        NPP & AfC,       COI & paid editors,      BLP,                              Bilateral relations
Notability,               Universities & academic people,       Schools,                       Academic journals,       Books & other publications
Sourcing                Fiction                                                In Popular Culture      Educational Program
Bias, intolerance, and prejudice

General Archives:

2006: Sept-Dec
2007: Jan-Feb , Mar-Apt , M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D 
2008: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2009: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2010: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2011: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2012: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2013: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2014: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2015: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2016: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2017: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2018: J, F, M , A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2019: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2020: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2021: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2022: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O, N, D
2023: J, F, M, A, M, J, J, A, S, O


Your talk at 16 Years of Wikipedia

[edit]

Heard your lightning talk just now. I support both the "Radical solutions to promotional paid editing" proposals you announced on notability and restrictions on anon editors around companies newer than 1999 foundation. Are there some written proposals to refer to? - Brianhe (talk) 20:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

there will be--one of the reasons I gave the talk was to get some feedback about just what to propose, and I am already getting some. Watch this space tomorrow. DGG ( talk ) 20:55, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. I will evangelize to the communities I'm part of, as soon as there's something to show them. - Brianhe (talk) 20:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher)Hi, DGG! I'd like to hear that too. Link? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:07, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Video from the lightning talks is now available via Commons. DGG's lightning talk is the first one, proposal #1 is detailed at 2:15 and #2 at 3:00. - Brianhe (talk) 06:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Passing of David Goodman

[edit]

David Goodman, user:DGG, passed away Thursday April 6, 2023. David was active in many parts of Wikipedia and had hundreds of collaborators, including in-person outreach with Wikimedia New York City. I am coordinating an obituary for him with Wikimedia NYC and The Signpost. Anyone who would like to coordinate in developing this may directly edit DGG obituary, but please bring discussion to The Signpost newsroom. I will later replace this development message with the link to the obituary. Bluerasberry (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Another great gone. This is devastating. BD2412 T 16:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Heartbreaking news. He was a great editor, administrator and former ArbCom member. And a very nice person. Cullen328 (talk) 17:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Terrible news. Vaticidalprophet 17:04, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Undoubtedly one of the most important and prolific editors in the history of the site. As BD says, another great one gone-- rest in peace. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 17:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Horrible news - a huge editor so many of us interacted with over so many years. <3 Nosebagbear (talk) 17:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sad news, may David rest in peace. -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Truly one of our finest editors. He will be much missed. Edwardx (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is extremely sad to hear. I've always respected David as a member of Wikimedia NYC. Even though I only met him in person once, he was very knowledgeable, humble, and just a great person to be around. His passing is a great loss to all of us. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was a fount of institutional knowledge on this project. This is such a huge loss.-- Ponyobons mots 17:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's... I have no words. DGG was the best of us. He will be missed. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest easy David :( — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 17:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace, David. A great contributor to the project, he will be missed. :( Tails Wx 17:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A fine editor and fellow Wikimedia NYC member has left us. His hard work will be greatly missed; my sincere condolences to his friends and family. Complex/Rational 17:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm devastated. Ever since my early steps on WP, David was there to guide and counsel me. I learned so much from him, I feel orphaned. Rest now, my friend. --Randykitty (talk) 17:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A huge loss to Wikipedia. We met in person once, over a decade ago now. We didn't always share the same opinions but I always respected your calm and considered contributions to discussions. You will be missed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is quite sad to hear, and a major loss for the community. Condolences to his family. DMacks (talk) 17:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace, David. The English Wikipedia and Wikimedia NYC won't be the same without you. You will be missed! MusikAnimal talk 17:26, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace. I remember you being a good presence throughout the Wikis. You will be missed. Soni (talk) 17:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Those loss of a great Wikipedian. Was great working together over the last decade. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sad news. He was a trove of knowledge from whom I learned so very much. His enthusiasm in rescuing old and abandoned drafts from being lost to G13 was unmatched. – SD0001 (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sad to see this. Rest in peace, David. Mackensen (talk) 17:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is very sad news. Condolences to the family. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 17:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was fortunate enough to serve with him on the Arbitration Committee in 2015, and while we did not always share the same opinions his views were always well argued and originated from a deep desire to do what was best for the project and its editors. This news has come as somewhat of a shock so I'm still processing it, but it is definitely clear that he will be sincerely missed by many people here including me. Thryduulf (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace David, it was a pleasure working with you.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sorry to hear about this. A great and knowledgeable editor who will be sorely missed. --David Tornheim (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A great loss. David was erudite, kind, driven, and nurturing. It was always a pleasure to speak with him in person. He will be missed. Ijon (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David was one of the Wikipedia editors and admins I respected the most. Even when I disagreed with them, his insightful comments always made me stop and think and wonder if he was actually right after all, and his knowledge about academic subjects might well be one of the best Wikipedia has ever had. I know he worked closely with Kudpung on trying to bring out the best in the NPP / AfC procedures, and that's another thing he'll be missed for. I never met him but I got a chance to meet face to face and chat briefly at one of the NY meet-ups when they were online - I wanted to talk about NPP / AfC a bit but I was distracted by other things, so never got the chance. A sad loss :-( Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of the very best in our community. I feel this loss personally as David was incredibly helpful to me in my early days as a novice editor. My deepest condolences to his family, friends and loves ones. May his memory be eternal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest well, DGG, you've lived a great life and your memory surely will be a blessing! KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 18:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is tragic news. I had the privilege of meeting David ten years ago at Wikimania, where we shared a session. I appreciated his vast knowledge of the movement and his keen insights into Wikipedia culture. His wisdom will be greatly missed. guillom 18:07, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of Wikipedia's best. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 18:09, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace David. Condolences to all friends and family. -- KTC (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am deeply saddened by his departure and I think the loss is vast. Condolences to his family and my sympathy for the NYC community. --M/ (talk) 18:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • May his memory be a blessing. --Guerillero Parlez Moi 18:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will miss David's gentleness, his directness. A model administrator and effective teacher, User:DGG's edits will endure. I hope his family learns he was a widely respected wikipedian, an exemplar. BusterD (talk) 18:23, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • God bless and R.I.P. I can't believe we are losing so many editors this way. Scorpions13256 (talk) 18:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Devastating. David was one of my favourite editors of all time. He brought so much knowledge and energy to this project and yet was always humble. I will miss him greatly. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sad to hear. A wise and omnipresent contributor who will be impossible to replace. Sionk (talk) 19:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So saddened to hear this news. David often managed to persuade me to reconsider my opinions on a lot of matters, both editorial and administrative. He was one of the most respected functionaries, and we will always be aware of his absence. He was a formidable man, editor, administrator, functionary, and a walking educational resource. May his memory be a blessing. Risker (talk) 19:16, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Painful to hear; we have suffered a great loss to this project. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was a lion of librarianship, editing, opinion, New York, and pretty much everything he touched was warmed and affected by him. He gave immense credibility to Wikipedia through his professional experience, and he took sharp views on issues that caused immense controversy. I hope he's enjoying a bagel with all too much schmear. Ocaasi t | c 19:31, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David could always be counted on to see users as real people, and not to accept conventional wisdom on face value. He will be greatly missed. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • An outstanding, kind, and generous person. I had the great pleasure of meeting him in real life several times. I will remember him and miss him. תנצב״ה. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A huge loss. I liked and respected DGG immensely. Deepest condolences to his family. --bonadea contributions talk 19:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is very sad news. DGG was an immensely valued contributor here, and his loss will be felt. My sincere condolences to his friends and family. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 20:03, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was the reviewer who accepted my very first article almost exactly 4 years ago and got me going down this path. Curbon7 (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aw no. Incredibly valuable editor – rest in peace. J947edits 20:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I didn't know him all that well, but our paths crossed quite a few times across my Wikipedia career. I always thought him to be a kind and knowledgeable editor, who made well thought arguments without letting his passions get in the way. Wikipedia needs editors like him and he will be missed.Dave (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David, it breaks my heart to hear of your passing. You are not just a rock of the Wikipedia community in New York City and beyond, but also a dear friend whose insight and advice have always been well appreciated by myself and others. I and others will always miss you, and may your memory and legacy always be a blessing for the Wikipedians of today and of the generations to come. Que descanse en paz siempre, my friend. --Sky Harbor (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh wow, this is a shock. I served with David on the Arbitration Committee a couple of times, and knew him to be a person of great integrity and thoughtfulness. His presence on Wikipedia will be greatly missed. AGK (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I admired David for his wisdom, persistence, and kind spirit, and I will miss him a lot.--ragesoss (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is said that no one truly dies until their name is forgotten. David's name will live on in the minds and memories of everyone who worked with him on this project. It was an honor to work with him as an editor and to serve with him on arbcom - he was always reasonable, kind, and intelligent. With love, ♠PMC(talk) 20:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    that is beautiful. Thanks @Premeditated Chaos. This one hits hard. Star Mississippi 01:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace. I agree with PMC about in that you die twice. The beauty of Wikipedia is your legacy is perfectly preserved in pages' history and log entries. I imagine people will see your name and the positive impact of your edits for a long, long time. Rest easy, David. HouseBlastertalk 21:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Awful news. DGG was important to Wikipedia in countless ways and will be sorely missed. One of the greats. Condolences to his family. Pichpich (talk) 21:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm sad to read that you're gone — have enjoyed the interactions that we've had, both in person and online. -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 21:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, this is bad indeed, I'm deeply saddened. He was an outstanding editor whose lead I often tried to follow and example I aspired to emulate. We didn't always agree, but he was never dismissive and always ready to explain his point of view. I will miss him (and only now realise that he's been missing for a while already). In case any of his family or friends are reading this, I send you my heartfelt condolences and we could like you to know what an important figure he has been in this strange microcosm of ours. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Deeply saddened by news of David's passing. He would have disagreed with much of my outlook, but it was precisely the integrity of his character and close judgment one could intuit in his comments which earned my admiration. One needs such interlocutors, and his passing is a great loss for us all.Nishidani (talk) 22:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm always literally grateful to wake up every day. To see that DGG has left us is devastating. I echo somewhat the sentiments above. We die a few times, I think. First one we physically stop, secondly when people stop remembering and talking about us. But for DGG at least there's a third stage, whereby his contributions will persist. I hate losing decent people, even those I have never met. But I'm also grateful that their earthly gift will continue way beyond their earthly presence. RIP David. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • My condolences and best wishes to David's family and friends. Andre🚐 22:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sad news. I know a few English wiki admins, DGG being one of them. —Yahya (talkcontribs.) 23:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is devastating news. David was a great editor, one of our best. I have always respected his work with AfC and with academics and academic subjects. A major loss. May he rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends. Galobtter (talk) 23:08, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You'd be hard-pressed to find a regular contributor who has not been positively impacted by DGG's extended reach as a dedicated and even-handed Wikipedian. I had the pleasure of working with them closely in 2020 during a very weird time in the world. My heartfelt condolences to family, friends, and colleagues. DGG's impact endures. –xenotalk 23:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Devastating. One of the best editors I knew. I greatly respected DGG for their work, commitment and caring demeanor. Extremely sad. My condolences to his family and friends. Eddie891 Talk Work 00:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am so sorry to hear this. David was a major influence on me in my early Wikimedia days, and I was always happy when we were able to work together. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A special friend, my mentor, a beautiful human being. I am heartbroken. Words cannot express the loss and sadness I’m feeling. Grateful that he was able to see his first grandson. Atsme 💬 📧 00:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absolutely gutted to get home from holiday travel and read this. A true mentor and guiding light. David was one of my first friends here, one of the few Wikipedia editors I met in person and the only one I ever spoke with on the phone. We FaceTimed when I returned to active editing and the pure joy in his voice about his grandson were a true light in an upside down world. Our coverage of academic topics will be lesser for your loss. Rest well my friend. You are missed. Star Mississippi 01:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absolutely awful to hear--David was one of the best of us, and I hope his family knows how highly he was regarded in this community. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is such sad news. David's contribution to the project is incredible, both in terms of what he did and how he did it, but what always struck me most about him was the way he carried himself at live events and at online events. Despite his achievements in the community and in his professional life, he always showed up ready to listen and learn. He was one of the people I truly admired in our community, and it's a sad loss. Guettarda (talk) 01:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The best ones always leave far too soon. DGG, wherever you may be now, rest easy. Your physical manifestation may have left, but your contributions and your impact to the great communities you have been in shall live on until time itself ends. — 3PPYB6 (T / C / L)01:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a huge loss to the community, and I'm sure an even bigger loss for his family. I'm sorry to see David go. He was was one the best contributors - as much for his wise advice as his edits - that the community has had. I wish his family the best through this difficult time. - Bilby (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David was a great person and a great Wikipedian, I had the pleasure of meeting him in person on two memorable occasions. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was a Wikipedia stalwart. It is hard to imagine Wikipedia without him. He was the admin most people went to with questions, as seen by the history of his talkpage which always filled up so rapidly. Even though he was scaling back recently, I cannot imagine what will fill the void he leaves. Softlavender (talk) 02:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sorry to see this. --Rschen7754 02:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I saw that there was an obituary in the upcoming Signpost and was devastated to see it was about David. This is terrible. He was one of the first Wikipedians I met in real life way back in 2014. I came to him often with questions about DraftWorld and he was always patient and helpful. Most people probably don't know this but until last year, David regularly came to the expiring draft page and "rescued" promising drafts some of which were improved and made it to main space. I've been working with expiring drafts for a few years now and, believe me, there are very few editors who spend their time improving other editors' drafts unless there is an existing relationship between the two editors, like through a WikiProject. It's a very selfless activity to spend time on improving a new editor's work. But I think what I valued most about David was his integrity, he was a true believer in Wikipedia and what it stood for. Even when I disagreed with him about certain points, I admired his unwavering belief in the value of this project. I will miss him. Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A staggering loss for Wikipedia, DGG was always one of the editors I wished I could emulate. To family and those who knew him personally, my deepest condolences. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 03:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Saddened to hear about this; few have contributed so much to the project. 74.73.224.126 (talk) 04:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very saddening news. Rest in peace, and my condolences to the family and friends. Anarchyte (talk) 05:26, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace, Mr. Goodman. You were a role model to me over the years, a true leader, modest and honest. Respect. Thank you for all. Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was one of the most well-known and well-respected members of our community. We have lost one of our best editors. Mz7 (talk) 06:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Just wanted to expand on this a bit, as DGG crossed my mind again today. There is one particular thing that he wrote which has had a profound effect on my approach to community-wide discussions on Wikipedia—and perhaps a bit in real life as well: I encourage everyone to give the section of his user page called "I do not attempt to convert my opponents--I aim at converting their audience." a read. It's the last part under User:DGG#How Wikipedia Ought to Work. In a discussion with many participants, it is often futile to try to convince individual participants to change their views. Instead of confronting your opponents directly, DGG suggests stating your opposing view with the goal of convincing future participants in the discussion, the ones that have yet to form a view and will be weighing your view versus your opponents. It is those participants you need to target in order to have the biggest impact. And if the outcome of the discussion doesn't go your way today, that's fine. At least you have stated your view today, so that future editors looking back can read it and consider it in a new light. Mz7 (talk) 09:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • What a loss. He really was one of the leaders we never had. – Joe (talk) 06:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • RIP. I didn't know him that well but it's clear from his body of work and the tributes above that he was one of the greatest editors here. Graham87 07:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sorry to hear this. I came across DGG through AfC reviewing and although I never met him (being resident in New Zealand and not in the habit of travelling to the US!) I wish I had. His edits and advice and decisions were always so wise and well-considered. He contributed much and is greatly missed. I hope his family reads these tributes and feels great pride. MurielMary (talk) 07:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You will be missed. Rest in peace. Your good work serves as a foundation and will be built upon by the rest of us here. – robertsky (talk) 08:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Had the good fortune to meet and talk with at the Wikimania in Montreal - a kind and generous person, and will be sorely missed. Condolences to family and friends. JarrahTree 10:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wonderful man! My thoughts and prayers for his family. -- Dolotta (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace. Wishing strength to the near and dear. Hope we can all continue to draw on his wisdom. Shyamal (talk) 11:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • rest in peace old friend. —usernamekiran (talk) 11:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We have lost a legend. The good effects of his hard work & wisdom will ripple on for a long time, perhaps forever. FeydHuxtable (talk) 11:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh no! I'm so very sorry to hear this news about DGG. He was truly a great Wikipedian. It was wonderful to meet him at several WP events in in NYC over the years; I learned so much from him. My condolences go out to his loved ones. Netherzone (talk) 13:48, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being born with the name Goodman is quite a start in life… well, David did live up to that name. I'm thankful to have "known" him here. Yes, may he rest in peace. – Fayenatic London 14:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • My condolences to your friends and family. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sorry to hear this - the phrase "pillar of the community" is for once fully justified. I was lucky enough to have a good talk in Washingon at Wikimania 2012, and he was as wise and nice as you would expect. Johnbod (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sorry to hear this. My condolences to his family and friends. ϢereSpielChequers 14:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Genuinely sad to hear this - I was fortunate to meet him at a couple of international Wikimedia events back in the day. He will most definitely be missed, although his impact and legacy will live on. Orderinchaos 15:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • For those of you who use UBX and would like to remember David that way, {{User:Pdebee/UBX/RemembersAbsentFriend|DGG}} now exists. Thanks @Pdebee: for the tutorial for this novice. Star Mississippi 16:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am so sorry to learn this sad news just now, and send my heartfelt condolences to his family and friends.
    Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 16:55, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of all the deaths of fellow Wikipedians I've experienced in over 15 years, David's is the most deeply felt, and that takes nothing away from other editors whose passings I have noted. For I knew David so well, not just here on-wiki, in his capacity as an arbitrator, administrator and (most importantly) a fellow editor (where his input never failed to uplift any discussion he added it to), but in person through not just many, many meetings of Wikimedia—NYC, but many Wikimanias he attended ... it was not only nice to see a familiar face, and hear a familiar voice, in London and Cape Town (among others), but when he did I felt proud to be part of WM-NYC, for he represented us so well through his presence and commentary/questions, his voice the same in person as it was online, always earning the respect it always got. He is one of the few Wikipedians whose house I have visited, whose spouse I met.

    David never failed to set an example for all of us to follow, and should anyone want to organize some memorial event onwiki, preferably some sort of editing event, I would want to be taking part. His signature will no longer grace our pages anew, but his influence should be felt as long as there is a Wikipedia.

    I leave with one personal anecdote. I was talking with him once about the way we do things, the way we resolve controversies, and the general collaborative spirit of the project, in some narrower context. I expressed the idea that the wiki way could spread to other areas of human endeavor and that that would be the greatest success of the project.

    "The greatest success of the project" David replied, "will be when everybody does things this way."

    I cannot think of any better epitaph. Rest in peace.

    Daniel Case (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David was one of the original and first "Wikipedia librarians", a professional who saw contributing to the encyclopedia as mirroring his professional work. He was irascible and funny, and loved to meet and talk with fellow librarians. We chatted often about libraries and Wikipedia, and how to bring the two closer together. He offered me space in his house to stay during the first WikiConference North America (and use of a metro card), and for all his gruffness he and his family were warm and welcoming. He was in every sense a great Wikipedian, librarian, mentor and friend. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 17:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • My deepest condolences to the family, friends, and fellow Wikipedians of David Goodman, whose tireless dedication and passion for knowledge has left an indelible mark on the global community.Whoisjohngalt (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • RIP, DGG. The wiki is that much poorer without you here. BOZ (talk) 18:34, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am saddened to hear of David's passing. May those close to him find peace in this difficult time. --Kinu t/c 19:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The best admin I knew. Condolences to all who knew him more. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extremely sad news. His work, passion and sense of humor will be missed. my deepest sympathy to his family and friends. MarnetteD|Talk 00:10, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • RIP DGG. You were the best of us. I just stuck my head back in and was working up the courage to say hello and I was just too late to let you know how much I treasured all our correspondence and collaboration. I'm a better person for knowing you. Hiding T 00:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am so sorry to hear about the devastating news. My deepest condolences to the family. DGG's passing is a great loss to the Wikipedia community and all those who knew him. It's individuals like him who make Wikipedia such an indispensable resource for people all around the world. DGG's legacy will live on through the countless contributions he made to Wikipedia and the impact he had on those he touched. His great work and helpful nature impacted many, many people. He was a mentor and a source of inspiration for me. May his soul rest in peace. RV (talk) 02:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is deeply saddening news. My deepest condolences. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 06:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sad. I have had good interactions with him over the years on WP. --Bduke (talk) 07:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is tragic. David will be sorely missed. My condolences to his family. Hell, it felt like we were part of his family. Guy (help! - typo?) 07:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is very sad, RIP DGG. A longstanding and invaluable contributor to the project. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I served on ArbCom with DGG, and of course spoke to him many other times as well. I did not always agree with him, but even when I didn't, it struck me how thoughtful and well-reasoned his positions were. We're going to miss you a great deal. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Damn. RIP ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • He was a bright spot in one of my Wikimanias. Very sorry to see him go. - Dank (push to talk) 12:13, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was the go-to person for notability of academics, a very tricky subject. I'll miss him. Valereee (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A wonderful person. Thank you. Rest in peace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Absolutely heartbreaking. A wonderful person both on and off Wikiepdia. JoshuaZ (talk) 14:47, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow, you were one of the best admins. Thanks for unblocking me a long time ago, though I might never create another account User:Yleventa2 2620:8D:8000:1054:8F2B:FBEF:2E26:A552 (talk) 16:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace Chiemezie Atama (talk) 16:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A terrible loss. Condolences. Bruxton (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • RIP big guy Red dwarf (talk) 00:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is quite likely that without your advice I wouldn't have passed RfA the next year and honestly still be here today. I am glad that I was able to finally meet you in person within the past year; I'm incredibly grateful for all the work you did to make Wikimedia NYC such a welcoming community and hope the rest of us can do your legacy proud. My condolences to your family. Legoktm (talk) 03:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Utterly tragic. While I was on staff, David was a touchstone - when I wondered the right path, more than once I asked myself if I could face him and explain it. A scholar, a gentleman, and a giant among giants. Perpetual light shine upon him. -Philippe (talk) 07:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shocked to hear about your passing. I think the legacy left behind will speak volumes about what Wikipedia represents. Truly a great loss. – The Grid (talk) 12:50, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • You will be missed, sorely. My sincere condolences to family and friends. Kleuske (talk) 13:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of the greats. Rest in peace. bibliomaniac15 17:24, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We’ll miss you, Mr. Goodman! Dronebogus (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • He will definitely be missed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David and I became Wikipedians at almost the same time; my first edit was a few weeks before his, respectively in August and September 2006. Most of my contacts with David were long ago, when we were both highly active on AfD, and time and again I found myself supporting deletion while he supported keeping. As years went by, both of us underwent changes in editing patterns in different directions, and for many years now I have rarely encountered him, but when I have done so, I have found that very often he favoured deletion of pages where I preferred to keep. David himself has stated that over the years he moved towards being less of an inclusionist, and I suppose I have moved somewhat in the opposite direction. Consequently, I found myself disagreeing with him on a large proportion of the times when I came across him, one way or the other. However, he was always respectful and constructive, and his opinions, whether I agreed with them or not, were always based on rational grounds, and, despite our differences of opinion, I always had respect for him, and I believe that his death will be a major loss for Wikipedia. JBW (talk) 20:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבילי ציון וירושלים -- Avi (talk) 02:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I’ve been doing this for a paltry eight years and feel like a newbie poser leaving this textual analogue of a votive candle or the most expensive cut-flower bouquet from my neighborhood Trader Joe’s. But DGG was the Wikipedian analogue of, in my “real” “world”, a long-serving, thoroughly intellectually reliable federal appellate judge whose name one sighed in relief to see on an opinion.
  • I have a silly self-centered superstition about people who die within the same couple of days being in the same happy “orientation group” in the big fabulous university campus in the sky. I am so grateful that DGG is in the same “pledge class” with one of my greatest influences and mentors, and vice-versa, two off-the-charts-smart newbies in a crowded room, making friends with everybody from the Curies to Boswell and Johnson, Nabokov and Poe, Salk and Sabin, and Siskel and Ebert. Abyssinia. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 07:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I believe that nobody is truly dead while their name is still spoken, it is sad, that from now on, we will no longer be able to speak with David or read his insightful comments and we are left with talking about what a great editor and all-around good person he was and seeing his countless contributions making Wikipedia a better place, hopefully for a long long time. SoWhy 15:37, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • For so many years we butted heads from different perspectives but I don’t believe we ever genuinely failed to be on the same side and you never failed to treat me as a colleague. You may be gone but your friendship and sincerity will never fade. For so many of us, you were the best of us and we are better for you despite how diminished your passing leaves us. Rest peacefully my friend. Spartaz Humbug! 17:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of the most patient, compassionate, and understanding people I've ever had the privilege of interacting with. This is very sad news. Kurtis (talk) 18:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I never interacted with you, Wikipedia has had a lasting impact from you, rest in peace. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 18:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you kidding me? I had the honor of working with David on ArbCom some years ago and always found it a pleasure to collaborate with him. We lost another good soul. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow, another great editor gone... May he rest in peace. {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 20:27, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, David, and rest easy. Tyrol5 [talk] 22:16, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David was absolutely my first and most important mentor, well over 10 years ago. I still have a quote from him on my user page, in fact, one that helped form my way of engaging here. For me, it was a wonderful experience working with him. We had radically different ideas about life and politics, and it never got in the way because of the respect we had for each other. If anything, we both learned a little. You will be missed, old friend. Dennis Brown - 23:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • May his soul rest in peace. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 23:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • In remembrance of your great work and encouragement Vothlee (talk) 22:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • A great editor and administrator... DGG made me a better editor back in 2008, and I have been a follower of his since, he will be missed... - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aw, man he was such an interesting guy. Will miss having him around. At least we still have his Wikipedia memories for all time. Thanks posterity. Huggums537 (talk) 17:03, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • While we barely, if ever, spoke, I know of and have seen the great work he's done for the community. Rest in peace. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 18:05, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • On Saturday, Aug 28, 2010, I attended the 2nd Annual Wiki-Conference at the Interactive Telecommunications Program at NYU. This was my first wiki event; that was when I met DGG.
Immediately, I was struck by his knowledge, thoughtfulness, and demeanor. I also quickly became aware of the conviction of his beliefs.
DGG applied his experience as a University Librarian to the much less mature world of Wikipedia and the diverse and sometimes conflicting interests of community members with respect, equanimity, and grace.
DGG set a standard to which I aspire. His love of learning, teaching, and sharing was and remains an inspiration.
I miss him.
My sincere condolences to his family. --CmdrDan (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I really enjoyed listening to his point of view when we had 1:1 conversations at various events, the last time being August 2022 at New York City's Wikimania meetup. RIP DGG. I miss you. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I counted David as a Wikifriend. Reliable, knowedgable, friendly, direct, and effectve. Now I add "Missed" to the list. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • How sad to lose such a wise, energetic, knowledgeable, and helpful editor. Condolences to his family. PamD 16:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • How very sad, RIP... I never met David IRL so can't really say I knew him at all; yet, I bumped into him so many times here, and read so much by and about him, that I almost feel like I did, in a way. Clearly very knowledgeable, wise, and from everything I could gather, an all-round good person. He leaves a big void, and will be missed by many. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am sorry to hear of the death of User:DGG. In his work as an editor and administrator, I found him to be wise and compassionate. To use a probably archaic phrase, he was a true gentleperson, a paragon of Wikipedia, and his conduct was an inspiration to many. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]
  • I'm very much saddened by this news. I've worked with DGG for years, and he was a titan amongst us. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Such sad news. He was a always thoughtfully passionate. -- Whpq (talk) 11:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG was one of those editors who made me feel so very assured I was making the right decision when he agreed with me, and made me question myself when he did not. His opinions and actions were reliably well-reasoned, articulate, and when necessary, compassionate. The community will be less for his absence. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sad to hear this news. Condolences to his friends and family, and to all those in the New York Wikimedia community who knew him - it is clear from the tributes above and those in the obituary being drafted that he was much loved and held in great affection by those who knew him. I didn't know him as well as I would have liked (I knew him mainly through his on-wiki work and during a brief crossover point in arbitration), and don't believe I ever met him in-person (at least not properly), but he was one of the best of Wikipedians, working tirelessly to improve and advance the project. His erudition and professional background shone through in his work on Wikipedia, setting an example that will live on. RIP David. Carcharoth (talk) 02:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh my man....nooooo So sad to hear your news. Oh my god. You are a great editor and legend administrator i knew. My condolences to his family and friends. Sorry i can't with my account bcs my wiki acc was lost. Pls reborn as a genius. RIP 💔.  Myanmar 06:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Very sad to hear this news. David was one of the greats and he will be missed. Shalom ve lehitra'ot. Carlstak (talk) 13:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David was a rock, a mentor, and a friend, in that chronological order and in rapid succession. What a loss. Some people deserve a statue for their contributions to our beautiful project, and David is one of them. Through my talk page archive I see that we go back to at least 2009--in my memory he has always been there for me. Moreover, looking through those old interactions shows just how much I learned from him, and that he truly made this a better place, in terms of content and neutrality and verifiability (the man was a librarian, so of course!), but also in social terms. I met him at Wikimania in DC, we talked for a long time; last time we spoke over the phone was in the middle of the pandemic. I wish I had called him again after that. Ha, there he is, in my address book--"DGG". The name is a concept. Drmies (talk) 14:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    YES. He's in mine as DGG Wikipedia, the only name he ever needed in my world. I believe the first time we met involved Greek food and I had some in his honor on Monday, although not the same restaurant. This is such a monumental loss. Star Mississippi 14:46, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you and goodbye, DGG. starship.paint (exalt) 15:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had known DGG since I was a child. Wikimedia NYC meetups were a wonderful escape from the dullness of my suburban childhood, and DGG brought tremendous wisdom and dedication to whatever he did, whether online or offline. His dedication is unimpeachable. I'm devastated. Harej (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just heard. That is sad. I'll miss him greatly. I was really fond of him. He was one of most humane and rationale people I knew. I'll miss him. The family have my condolences. scope_creepTalk 09:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • What a loss, to his friends and to Wikipedia. I'm sad. Rest in peace, David. --Pgallert (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was very sad to hear of DGG's passing. I learned a lot about how to approach Wikipedia from reading though his thoughts, expressed on his user pages and so many places through the project. To his family and close friends, my sincere condolences. May his memory be a blessing. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of those editors whose comments in discussions were always worth reading, even in those long arguments when everything seems to be said and resaid a hundred times. I will miss seeing him at AfC and AfD. May he live on in his impact on the world, whether on-wiki or off. Rusalkii (talk) 22:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very sorry to hear this. I interacted with DGG many times without ever learning anything about him as a person. Great loss. Deb (talk) 12:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sad to hear. I meet you in Articles for Deletion many years ago, as you are Inclusionist I also found myself trying to save and improve the articles before deletion. Good Bye David. Carlosguitar (Yes Executor?) 05:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Man are we lucky he wanted to spend his time with us. Thank you DGG. Innisfree987 (talk) 07:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry to hear of David's passing. Wikipedia has lost one of its best. Mjroots (talk) 10:05, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sad, you will be missed. Jeepday (talk) 10:54, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Wikipedia community is all the lesser for this loss. I will miss DGG immensely. --Jayron32 10:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just learned about this from the admin newsletter. I am so sorry to hear that you have passed away, DGG. You were an admin that I always looked up to and you will be sorely missed by the community as a whole. If your loved ones ever read this page, may they know that David's memory and contributions live on, as evidenced by his 320,869 edits. That is no small accomplishment. I am truly sorry for your loss and wish you all the best. Rest easy, DGG. --TheSandDoctor Talk 19:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I too just heard this unwelcome news. DGG made an immediate and lasting impact on me during my formative period when starting here. I recall how his old user page stated that he had found his life's work at Wikipedia. I recall how oddly that struck me then, and how natural it feels now. I miss this gentle soul, his imprint on the project will remain long. I think we all are lessened by his loss. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 01:26, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sad to hear of this news. I remember David well on here and I have learned a lot from his many insights into the project. Rest in peace. Patient Zerotalk 22:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • DGG will be missed. Condolences to his family. Not only was he great contributor but he helped many new and experienced users from near the beginning of this project. His work as an administrator has merited much praise not just for skill and neutrality but for his patient demeanor. Donner60 (talk) 01:15, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • So sorry to hear this news. DGG was always helpful, even when giving challenging guidance, a true professional and champion of quality in our Wiki world. Condolences to his family and friends, SeoR (talk) 19:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • (belatedly) damn, never got the chance to meet DGG. Will miss him/farewell. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was very sad to hear of David's passing. Was a pleasure working him and was great meeting him in NYC a number of years ago. I send my condolences to his family.NativeForeigner Talk 19:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, DGG. You will long be remembered for your hard work in helping newcomers, improving others' content creations and cleaning up the Augean stables of non-notable content, conflict-of-interest editing and ArbCom cases. — Bilorv (talk) 19:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Goodbye David, the world and WP are a better place because of you. Desertarun (talk) 18:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm very sad to hear about your passing, David. I remember you as a very thoughtful and helpful person, who made Wikipedia a better place. Please find the editing tools if they are available. Cheers! -- Luk talk 07:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow, this is the first I've heard of it. DGG was one of the greats, I haven't been this affected by a passing since Brian Boulton. Requiescas in pace, fellow! – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rest in peace. An esteemed and valuable contributed... thank you for the time you gave and shared with us. Aza24 (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Goodbye, Mr. Goodman, but thank you for everything you did when you were with us. Fakescientist8000 00:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've worked with DGG on and off Wikipedia but never met him in person. He will be missed. A guiding light in forming my Wikipedia worldview. Condolences to his family and to all that knew and worked with him here. Hobit (talk) 03:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very say when I checked your talk page and found this. Thanks for all your contributions to Wikipedia, and belated condolences to your family and friends. Nil Einne (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just came here to ping him for input on someting and I'm sorry to hear this. Obviously a lot of editors relied on his skills too. He will be missed! - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • David, I am just now hearing of your passing, I am saddened by the news, while we only had the occasional interactions on wiki, you definitely have shaped the way I do things on the project, and you will be missed. Your skills, advice, and knowledge across many different areas will be missed greatly. My sincere condolences to his family, and friends. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 08:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow. Was unaware of this until now, but you made a substantial impact on me early on in my editing here. Interacting with you at AfC was one of the first significantly positive interactions I had on Wikipedia, and I owe you one for convincing me (whether you realized it or not) to stick around. Thank you. AviationFreak💬 22:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good heavens, just heard of this myself. DGG and I ... we collaborated, we clashed, we debated, but he was one of the Wikipedians I always respected and whose views were always worth taking seriously and mindfully. This is a loss to our project, but far more to his family and friends. Rest well, David. We won't see your like again. Ravenswing 07:48, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just saw this mentioned and immediately felt my heart sink. I have taken the last hour or so to look over all the messages here and there are so many describing interactions and discussions with David. I can't help but feel the immense sorrow flood in over the loss of this connection. So many messages about all of his accomplishments in editing here and it does remind us that editing is our chief purpose for being here. We build the encyclopedia to leave a lasting example for current and future generations and hope there will be those that will take up the torch once we pass. But David was so much more than just an editor. He had such a kindness and understanding and it only grew with his experience. So many of us lose sight of that and its easy to become jaded in such a complex world but David championed this cause and lead by example. No doubt each one commenting here has at least one interaction with David that reflects this over the years. His is a light that will never be extinguished because we carry it in our hearts and minds and will never let it go out. His Lifesong is forever a part of ours. David, you will be missed but not forgotten. --ARoseWolf 16:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm another late arrival upon this somber news, and frankly surprised that I missed the shockwaves from this one. Unlike some of our other visible losses in recent years, I did not often run into DGG out in the wilds of content work--different areas of interest, I suppose. As such, I didn't have much occasion to converse with him and establish a huge degree of direct rapport. Even so, in community spaces I frequently saw him bring considerable insight and a thoughtful perspective to discussions, and over time his is definetly a name that I had come to associate with quality contributions and a considered, deliberate, and purposeful approach. He clearly put a lot of care into figuring out how he saw a given issue, and then even more consideration into how to relate that outlook. I honestly never saw him comment that he didn't seem like a steady hand, ever respectful of the consequences of his words and positions. These are qualities I respect not just in a Wikipedian, but in a person of good moral conscious, who makes themselves valuable to their fellow person. I'm heartened to see from the above that this worth does not seem to have been lost on the community as a whole: this is one community member whose example we should not soon forget. SnowRise let's rap 06:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just found out, and it crushes me - a truly great man. TY for all you helped me with over the years. — Ched (talk) 18:36, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I only just discovered this today... so sad. My belated condolences go out to David's family and friends. Thank you for your many years of service - rest in peace. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:12, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Terrible; only just found out. He will be missed. SamHolt6 (talk) 13:05, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm saddended to see this, He was an amazing admin and editor - always polite, patient and would always help anyone and everyone, A true loss to Wikipedia, Thank you for your service. RIP David, My sincere condolences to friends and family, –Davey2010Talk 00:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for sharing this news. I was shocked when I stumbled upon it. David was so kind and welcoming to me back in 2016 when we met. it was clear he was a juggernaut among Wikipedians in NYC and beyond as a photographer. A great loss and yet a person whose memory lives on in so many who remain in the community. Rest in Power, @DGG!
sheridanford (talk) 14:25, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rest in peace, DGG, by the by I was just passing through and I had heard about this MissYandere (talk) 22:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

[edit]
Admin's Barnstar
The Admin's Barnstar
One of the greats. Thank you so much for all your help to a new editor and your endless patience with my many failings. Your memory is and will always be a blessing. Ad Orientem (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Special Barnstar
The Special Barnstar
The Special Barnstar may be awarded to a user as a gesture of appreciation for a specific reason, when there is no other barnstar that would feel appropriate. - jc37 03:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To say I am saddened by these news really doesn't say it well enough. There really aren't words to describe DGG's contributions here. On Arbcom, a voice for giving every Wikipedian the most benefit of the doubt within reason. That policy is there to enhance the Wikipedia experience - to bring editors together, not to punish and push away. Often in content discussions we agreed - his was a strong voice for not burning down what has been built. But even when, sometimes, his sense of purity for inclusion differed with my perspective about "pruning the tree to improve health", he made clear his perspective, and was fairly consistent, and was always willing to talk it out. (And could compete with the best of us for large blocks of explanatry text : ) - His is definitely a voice that will be missed. - jc37 03:36, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Special Barnstar
The Special Barnstar
Today would be DGG's 16th anniversary of becoming an admin. If only he was here to experience it. May he rest in peace. interstatefive  00:22, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, we should honor DGG for all the good that he has done for WIkipedia and for the world. Rtyjhnghfn (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Always precious

[edit]

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, remembered always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I said that yesterday, a day early. David left his talk like this, and without old newsletters it looked like this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Works in Process

[edit]

@Fayenatic london I saw you took care of this one, which may have been a typo. As we did with Possibly, happy to work on any drafts David had in progress. Can anyone with better search skills help pull a list? @Netherzone @CT55555 and I managed to rescue all of Possibly's drafts before they were G13ed or after an undelete, I think and I think everyone here would be happy to make sure anything David was working on makes mainspace if possible. Star Mississippi 13:39, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi Special:PrefixIndex/User:DGG/ contains all his subpages but I didn't know David well enough to know his organisational system. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:43, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @HJ Mitchell! I know David and @Liz worked together to keep viable articles from G13 so hoping that path will help. Star Mississippi 15:13, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi, thank you for the ping; I'm so very sorry to hear about DGG's passing. I was just thinking of him earlier this morning. I am happy to help out in any way I can. Netherzone (talk) 13:52, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I rescued a second link to another of DGG's user pages, which he had merged. The remaining red link under User:DGG#Possible essays is to a 2009 page of notes about a user interface beta, which he later deleted as no longer relevant. – Fayenatic London 15:18, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

David had eight article drafts in progress:

I have notified some of the relevant WikiProjects, which is a hit-and-miss proposition. BD2412 T 17:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can work on the User:DGG/Eleazar (painter) draft. Netherzone (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
hah! I was just about to ping you on that one @Netherzone. Thanks for this @BD2412. I'm going to make talk page notes where useful/content pointers such as you've done with Marie Charlotte... Star Mississippi 18:00, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The draft was originally created as an autobiography back in 2009 which DGG saved for rewriting. It's largely unsourced and seems to contain lots of OR by original creator. It may have to be pruned to a short article, but looking at the artist's exhibition record, reviews and collections (at least so far on the artists website) he would meet both GNG and NARTIST if independent sources can be found. I'll see what's out there. Netherzone (talk) 18:07, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think several of these may have been draftified to userspace per deletion discussions. User:DGG/Arabic-Persian literacy relation is one of these. BD2412 T 18:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One of the most important things I learned from DGG was WP:V, and its primary importance in deletion discussions. For that I am eternally grateful. Working from some of the sources in the article on Spanish Wikipedia, and Google searches, I was able to add some verifiable citations in reliable sources, most of which are news sources dealing with his work being censored, but also a couple reviews. The artist clearly meets WP:GNG based on these. I was unable to verify any of the Collections the artist lists on their website nor do they appear to be notable collections - no museums, mainly hotels and corporate collections), so at this time, it's doubtful if he meets WP:NARTIST. I've tagged the remaining unsourced content with "citation needed" templates; the bulk of the article remains unsourced. I could move the unsourced content to the talk page or leave it as is, whatever the community decides is the best approach. Netherzone (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You've nailed the core of what we've lost in David, and SlimVirgin. The true fundamentals of the project. While we mourn both, I think the impact of their absence is still to come. Star Mississippi 20:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will work on User:DGG/Jews in the history of American film, out of the utmost respect to DGG, and hope I can do it justice.Onel5969 TT me 19:47, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
User:DGG/Libra (Academic Search) seems to exist at Microsoft Academic Search. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the history, it was originally created by User:Luogang.china and moved to DGG's user space to attempt to salvage it from various deficiencies. Since Libra (Academic Search) exists as a redirect, I think this can be deleted. It will not be worked on, and is not significant to DGG's legacy like his original drafts and various essays. BD2412 T 01:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think so too. I left it in place initially with just the talk page note in case someone thought a history merge was needed. On further review, I don't think so. Star Mississippi 01:44, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have boldly gone ahead and deleted the draft and talk page. Our focus should be on improving the drafts that can add value to the encyclopedia. If anyone disagrees, I suppose they can restore (or request restoration). BD2412 T 02:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
History of Jews in American banking and Jewish stereotypes in banking and finance both seems almost ready to publish; I suspect DGG didn't consider them complete but they're far above my personal standards for an article. I'm going to move some undeveloped sections to the talk page and then move to mainspace, unless there are any objections.
Also, thoughts on nominating one or both for DYK? A little worried that the topic will attract vandalism if given visibility. Rusalkii (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, okay, looking at the history both were userifyied and then had very little work done. I'm honestly confused about this decision but not going to move back without substantive changes. Rusalkii (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can we tell if he had anything in WP:Draft space, or did he only use Userspace drafts? BOZ (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This shows his page creations in Draft. I don't know if there's a way to filter out those that were AfC acceptances. Star Mississippi 18:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I went back nine years and they all were. There were a few that were live drafts because someone else had built on the draft redirect post-AfC acceptance, but there are no live drafts started by DGG as articles. BD2412 T 19:10, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for that dig!
From areas in which I worked with him, I knew David to more assist content that needed some TLC and expertise rather than necessarily start from scratch. When he did the latter, it was normally in mainspace. Star Mississippi 20:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thanks for looking into that! Are you saying that you saw some that he actually put effort into working on, even though he was not the originator of the draft? Just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding. BOZ (talk) 21:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say there is anything left in that space that he "put effort into"; there was one that he commented briefly on (e.g. Draft:Dryden Universe), and one that is a draft for a different topic built on a redirect he created (Draft:John McLean, which by the way is duplicated at Draft:John McLean 2). Draft:Air Thanlwin was a duplicate built on a redirect that he had left behind, so I re-redirected it. BD2412 T 22:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking a good look at that. BOZ (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How about those that were submitted by DGG? (Evidently there may be some going by the acceptance notice for Sveen v. Melin (2018) below) – robertsky (talk) 07:46, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that when someone has their own way of organising their userspace (I say this as someone who has never really organised my own userspace properly), maybe browse through the pages to see what may be worth preserving or using elsewhere (presuming that is even appropriate)? I noticed some notes he made for talks he gave (one of these is a video up at the top of this talk page). Maybe some of the essays as well. But most do seem to be just notes for his own personal use, so it is difficult to know what (if anything) to do with them. Unless he had known plans for them, sometimes it is best to leave it as it is, unless someone has a very specific plan for reuse/publication, with appropriate credit. Carcharoth (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Archive header

[edit]

I've taken the liberty of re-adding DGG's archive header to the talk page, because his talk page archiving system is otherwise fairly difficult to make sense of without it. He removed it in this edit (warning: huuuuuuge diff!), whether intentionally or not I of course don't know. I hope this action is OK. Graham87 19:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rest in peace

[edit]

Rest in peace, Dave! Your generous edits and immortal acts here will be remembered. – Hamid Hassani (talk) 19:20, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out. Very sad to see. Thankyou for contributions and reasoning in disputes. RIP! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You'll be always remembered

[edit]

"There is no greater sorrow than to recall happiness in times of misery." — Dante Alighieri. You will be always remembered.... Ferialnusla (talk) 05:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let DGG rest in peace!

[edit]

I am sorry for having disturbed this place. Let it remain peaceful! noychoH (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rest in peace

[edit]

Rest in peace, pal. Sebbers1010292929 (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rest in peace

[edit]

You're always in my prayers! Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your kindness will never be forgotten. Regards RV (talk) 17:59, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

[edit]
The Original Barnstar
I never met you in person but I interacted with you quite a bit years ago when I was getting started on this site (circa 2013), and I was very saddened just now to learn that you had passed away. Rest in peace. IntoThinAir (talk) 01:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coming up on one year

[edit]

David, I think of you often and wish we could have had one more phone call or I'd make it back to the meetups. My thoughts are with your loved ones. For those of us on wiki, anyone feel like a mini drive for David? Brooklyn, library, academic. I think he'd appreciate any or all efforts. I'm still on and offline so wanted to kick this off early for any ideas. Star Mississippi 02:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I missed the "one year" mark, being sick and in the hospital, and just wanted to add that I enjoyed the interactions I had with David. He was older than I by fourteen years. He was the same age as my sister who was, like David, an inspiration. He actually shaped, or I should state reshaped, some of my ideologies concerning Wikipedia. I would laugh, actually out loud, when I would see any of his typing errors. I could just imagine him saying "just fix it". DGG, I think I can safely state for many editors, you are missed. Our song choices may not match but this reminds me of a song George Jones sang: Who's Gonna Fill Their Shoes. -- Otr500 (talk) 08:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gone but not forgotten

[edit]

It is with a heavy heart that I write this message to remember and honor David Goodman. It is hard to believe a year has passed so quickly. DGG, as he was affectionately known, was an esteemed member of our community but also a dear friend who touched the lives of many with his kindness, wisdom, and unwavering dedication. As an administrator and former member of the Arbitration Committee on Wikipedia, DGG played a crucial role in maintaining the integrity and quality of our shared knowledge. His contributions were marked by fairness, diligence, and a deep commitment to the values of open access and collaboration. His work here has left an indelible mark, and his absence is profoundly felt. Rest in peace, my friend...your contributions and friendship will never be forgotten. Atsme 💬 📧 01:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hear! Hear! I'll never forget DGG's support and guidance during my first wobbly steps into the world of WP. He always remained the go to person if I had a situation where I was unsure how to handle it. --Randykitty (talk) 08:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, Atsme, for this fitting tribute. I learned a lot from DGG. When I was a fairly new editor, I disagreed with him about a notability issue and I explained my reasoning quite carefully. He responded something like, "You have made some excellent points and have changed my mind." I also remember that he did not like being called an administrator or ArbCom member in routine content discussions. He thought that all editors should be seen as equals in content matters, and only the quality of each editor's argument should matter. He was a fine man and a kind man, and I miss him. Cullen328 (talk) 08:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if this is the correct place to bring this up: Can the actions that have been taken to DGG's user page and account please also be taken at User:DGG (NYPL) since it's an alt? Steel1943 (talk) 02:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I labeled it as deceased. You'll need a steward for the global lock. Star Mississippi 03:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]