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Ava Kris Tyson

As the investigation debunked the allegations against her, isn't undue weight now being given to quotes about the allegations and the process of them being made in that section? I don't want to cause an edit war, so here now would just recommend the following edit:

On July 24, 2024, Donaldson removed Ava Kris Tyson, one of the original cast members, from the MrBeast brand following allegations against Tyson of a number of kinds of sexual misconduct. However, Tyson put out her own statement, saying she willingly stepped away and that her decision to leave was mutual. Donaldson hired an independent investigator to look further into the matter, and on November 1, the law firm Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan concluded the allegations were baseless, after conducting "39 interviews of current and former employees" and reviewing "over 4.5 million documents from mobile phones, emails, Telegrams, Discords, WhatsApps and Slack". The law firm reported that: "The allegations were soundly rejected, including by alleged victims." These alleged victims have commented on the allegations as "massive lies," with one saying, "People used my name to make very serious allegations and claims without ever speaking to me." Likeanechointheforest (talk) 22:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The allegations were neither proven or debunked. Donaldson privately investigating his own employees isn't sufficient evidence to consider the allegations outright "debunked." I fully believe we shall refer to them as "allegations" because that's fairly neutral of us. We shouldn't take a stance on Tyson as to whether they groomed a 13-year-old boy or not. Innocent until proven guilty, but we can't take the stance that the allegations are debunked nor proven. It's like if we said (Redacted). The case never went to trial, sorta like Tyson here. We should always take the most neutral option. I personally don't think Tyson is a pedophile, but it would be a disservice to those looking for unbiased information about the allegations to claim they're "debunked" solely based on what a team of lawyers in a non-criminal investigation believed. There will most likely be an edit war over this position because most Wikipedia editors (in my experience) don't actually care about upholding neutrality, just whatever satisfies their worldview no matter how much it contradicts available information and/or Wikipedia's own rules. MountainJew6150 (talk) 20:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Stephen Donaldson (MrBeast) Arrested

Jimmy was "Charged With Reckless Driving to Endanger" as well as "Speed Racing" Sources https://www.dexerto.com/youtube/mrbeast-fans-stunned-to-discover-youtuber-was-reportedly-arrested-in-2018-2970381/ ClarBonn (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is notable enough to be mentioned in the article, as the information is only recently resurfaced, and street racing is not the worst crime one can commit. ChopinChemist ^Talk? 14:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dexerto is "rarely suitable for BLPs". If there is a better source, I would support its inclusion in the article. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 18:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is an article in Road and Track, [1] which is an enthusiast magazine. Nothing more mainstream and reliable that I could find. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Former employee's (YouTube channel) name

DogPack404 is the name of the channel used to publish the allegation videos. should we include links to the videos too? Metricwiki (talk) 01:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Metricwiki There was some debate on this very talk page (now archived) on whether or not to include "Dogpack404" in the article. Since the debate outcome has been that he is of no importance to the article I doubt link to the videos can be added to the article without opposition. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 03:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Ava Kris Tyson ==
-== Adding information regarding developments about faked and/or misrepresented charity work ==
-In the controversies section, a new sub section should be added detailing the recent information about some of the misrepresentations of various elements of the charity work done by mrbreast. This includes not paying for the 1000 eye surgeries as was claimed in the video for that and the misrepresented images of the building repairs in the "we powered a mountain" video.
-It may also make sense to add information to the public image and influence section, which seems totally lacking any mention of the negative change in recent months. [[User:TheTopOfCode|TheTopOfCode]] ([[User talk:TheTopOfCode|talk]]) 07:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
-:So long as '''reliable sources''' exists. However I advise to wait since the story can develop markedly. <span style="font-family:Verdana; background-color: #93F0FF">[[User:ChopinChemist|<span style="color: Black">Chopin'''Chemist'''</span>]][[User talk:ChopinChemist|<sup>Talk?</sup>]]</span> 18:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
-==Request to modify protection settings==
-{{hiddenping|callanecc|johnuniq|ponyo|isabelle Belato|Daniel Case|sdrqaz}}
-Hi. Previous previous protection settings was indefinite [[WP:SEMI]]. However, someone changed it to temporary [[wp:ECP]], which is expiring by tomorrow. Any planned updates before shenanigans approach razing the door without even knocking on it?[[Special:Contributions/197.240.59.54|197.240.59.54]] ([[User talk:197.240.59.54|talk]]) 17:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
-:Well, as it ''has'' been a long time since it was last protected, maybe we might want to see what happens? A request to renew that indef semi can always be made and will in all likelihood be looked on favorably. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 18:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
-::I can see anons'. edits which don't seem to be helpful to the recently created page [[MrBeast Lab]]. I also realized that you protected [[lunchly]] temporarily. Once its protection expires, which is within a week, the same story might likely happen again as what is ''presently happening'' to [[feastables]]. Those aspects have to be taken into consideration before this page's edit history gets likely flooded with hidden (or perhaps [[wp:oversight]]) material.[[Special:Contributions/197.240.59.54|197.240.59.54]] ([[User talk:197.240.59.54|talk]]) 00:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
-:::Considering how polemic the subject appears to be, and it being a BLP, I think returning to indefinite semi would be best. [[User:Isabelle Belato|Isabelle Belato]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Isabelle Belato|🏳‍🌈]]</sup></small> 01:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
-::::There's a bot that does it automatically. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 23:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
-== Ava Kris Tyson megaballs==
 As the investigation debunked the allegations against her, isn't undue weight now being given to quotes about the allegations and the process of them being made in that section? I don't want to cause an edit war, so here now would just recommend the following edit:
 On July 24, 2024, Donaldson removed Ava Kris Tyson, one of the original cast members, from the MrBeast brand following allegations against Tyson of a number of kinds of sexual misconduct. However, Tyson put out her own statement, saying she willingly stepped away and that her decision to leave was mutual. Donaldson hired an independent investigator to look further into the matter, and on November 1, the law firm [[Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan]] concluded the allegations were baseless, after conducting "39 interviews of current and former employees" and reviewing "over 4.5 million documents from mobile phones, emails, Telegrams, Discords, WhatsApps and Slack". The law firm reported that: "The allegations were soundly rejected, including by alleged victims." These alleged victims have commented on the allegations as "massive lies," with one saying, "People used my name to make very serious allegations and claims without ever speaking to me." [[User:Likeanechointheforest|Likeanechointheforest]] ([[User talk:Likeanechointheforest|talk]]) 22:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
+:The allegations were neither proven or debunked. Donaldson privately investigating his own employees isn't sufficient evidence to consider the allegations outright "debunked." I fully believe we shall refer to them as "allegations" because that's fairly neutral of us. We shouldn't take a stance on Tyson as to whether they groomed a 13-year-old boy or not. Innocent until proven guilty, but we can't take the stance that the allegations are debunked nor proven. It's like if we said {{redacted}}. The case never went to trial, sorta like Tyson here. We should always take the most neutral option. I personally don't think Tyson is a pedophile, but it would be a disservice to those looking for unbiased information about the allegations to claim they're "debunked" solely based on what a team of lawyers in a non-criminal investigation believed. There will most likely be an edit war over this position because most Wikipedia editors (in my experience) don't actually care about upholding neutrality, just whatever satisfies their worldview no matter how much it contradicts available information and/or Wikipedia's own rules. [[User:MountainJew6150|MountainJew6150]] ([[User talk:MountainJew6150|talk]]) 20:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
 == James Stephen Donaldson (MrBeast) Arrested ==
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 :[[WP:DEXERTO|Dexerto is "rarely suitable for BLPs"]]. If there is a better source, I would support its inclusion in the article. — [[User:PerfectSoundWhatever|<span style="letter-spacing:0.1em;">PerfectSoundWhatever</span>]] ([[User talk:PerfectSoundWhatever|t]]; [[Special:Contributions/PerfectSoundWhatever|c]]) 18:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
 ::There is an article in [[Road and Track]], [https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62805490/mrbeast-mug-shot-street-racing-arrest-2018/] which is an enthusiast magazine. Nothing more mainstream and reliable that I could find. -- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - <sup>[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]</sub> 18:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
+== See also: 2020s anti LGBTQ movement in the united states ==
+@[[User:Jalapeño|Jalapeño]]
+Sorry, you’re looking at an instance where in the year 2024, a trans person was falsely accused of grooming and had her life publicly destroyed, and don’t see how a wider social movement taking place at the same time which explicitly seeks to paint trans people as groomers, using that exact word, is related and perhaps warrants a see also? [[User:Snokalok|Snokalok]] ([[User talk:Snokalok|talk]]) 12:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
+== Former employee's (YouTube channel) name ==
+DogPack404 is the name of the channel used to publish the allegation videos. should we include links to the videos too? [[User:Metricwiki|Metricwiki]] ([[User talk:Metricwiki|talk]]) 01:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
+:@[[User:Metricwiki|Metricwiki]] There was some debate on this very talk page (now archived) on whether or not to include "Dogpack404" in the article. Since the debate outcome has been that he is of no importance to the article I doubt link to the videos can be added to the article without opposition. <span style="padding:0px 0px;background:black">[[User:Jothefiredragon|<b style="color:pink">Jothefiredragon</b>]]🐲[[User talk:Jothefiredragon|<b style="color:plum">talk</b>]]🐉[[Special:Contributions/Jothefiredragon|<b style="color:blue">edits</b>]]</span> 03:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)