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== Requested move discussion in progress == |
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== Notification of proposal to make Help:Hidden text a guideline == |
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The RfC is at [[Help talk:Hidden text #RfC on status of this page]]. --[[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 14:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC) |
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== MoS's cleanup tag nominated for deletion == |
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{{FYI|Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.}} |
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Please see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 October 27#Template:MOS]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 03:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC) |
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An editor has requested that [[:Climate change denial]] be moved to a different name. Please join the discussion at [[{{TALKPAGENAME:Climate change denial}}#Requested move 8 July 2021]]. Thank you. --[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 12:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Proposal for Indonesian spelling and naming conventions == |
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== Short description for Marshfield station == |
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An RfC regarding the promotion of an Indonesian spelling/naming convention proposal can be found at [[WT:WikiProject Indonesia#Proposal]]. --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|talk]]) 06:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC) |
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There is a discussion on the appropriate short description for [[Marshfield station]] at [[Talk:Marshfield station]] which would affect several articles on the mass transit system of Chicago and other pages. The discussion concerns the purpose of short descriptions and whether local consensus or precedence overrides broader agreements on the purpose and style recommended for short descriptions in the encyclopedia. Members of this project and any other interested parties are invited to consider the implications and provide input. · · · [[User:Pbsouthwood|Peter Southwood]] [[User talk:Pbsouthwood|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]: 05:53, 12 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== RFC on formatting change == |
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There is a formatting change being proposed to {{t|link language}} which could impact the visual style of a page. Your input is requested [[Template_talk:Link_language#Request_for_comment_on_formatting|here]]. Thank you. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 22:42, 28 May 2017 (UTC) |
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I nominated {{Temp|Use}} (a redirect to {{temp|American English}}) at RfD earlier today, one suggestion in [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 20#Template:Use|the discussion]] was to convert it into a wrapper for the various use xx template ({{temp|Use mdy dates}}, {{temp|Use British English}}, etc) to be used in the form e.g. {{tlx|use|mdy dates}}. I figure editors here are the most likely to have opinions on whether this would be useful/desirable/possible/etc. Please leave any comments at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 20#Template:Use]] to keep discussion in one place. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 21:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== List of songs recorded by The Carpenters == |
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Why is this listed as inactive? Is it merely settled, or has there been some big discussion I overlooked? -- [[User:Ke4roh|ke4roh]] ([[User talk:Ke4roh|talk]]) 11:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC) |
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:No idea. The project is still active, just that the discussions happens on MOS pages, rather than here. I'll remove the inactive thing. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 15:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC) |
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[[Talk:List_of_songs_recorded_by_The_Carpenters#Requested_move_1_November_2023|This move discussion]] may be of interest '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 10:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Capitalization project? == |
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Would there be any appetite for something like a Wikiproject Capitalization, to work on bringing WP articles into better conformance with [[MOS:CAPS]]? The problem is mostly, but not exclusively, over-capitalization; sometimes I have to cap proper names that have been put in lowercase, but more often I'm downcasing, partly because most editors don't know that we use sentence case for titles, and partly because people just tend to cap what's important to them. The amazing thing, to me, is the extent to which editors in some topic areas will resist the suggestion to conform with the guidelines of [[MOS:CAPS]], in the face of clear source-based evidence, and then how hard it is to get the WP processes to do anything sensible in such situations. Here's an example from way back: [[Talk:New York City Subway/Archive 3#Requested move]] – where the evidence was not much disputed, but people were either afraid of facing the amount of work needed to fix the problem, or just asserted that a title for a specific thing needed to be a proper name, even if [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=New+York+City+Subway+*%2CNew+York+City+subway+*&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1930&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CNew%20York%20City%20Subway%20System%3B%2Cc0%3B.t2%3B%2CNew%20York%20City%20subway%20%2A%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20system%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20train%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20car%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20station%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20cars%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20and%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20trains%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20in%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20stations%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BNew%20York%20City%20subway%20riders%3B%2Cc0 sources disagree]. If we had a project, maybe more people willing to do the work would be notified and would volunteer to help overcome at least one of the objections? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:I'd support such a project. Another problem we face is the all-too-common practice of initial-capping items that are abbreviated (with caps); e.g. ''He applied for an Apprehended Violence Order (AVO)''. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 04:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC) |
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::Yes, and [[MOS:JOBTITLES]] is another big area of over-capitalization. Just noticed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=W._W._Bartley_III&curid=2028431&diff=839233873&oldid=810744657 this diff] in that space by {{ping|Chris the speller}}. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:::As Dicklyon pointed out, I'm already on board, so you have my full support on all of the above. Also, don't overlook [[MOS:INSTITUTIONS]] and things like "... was elected to its Board of Directors." If we had about 50 editors with AWB we could make a real dent in the problem. [[User:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #C30;">'''Chris'''</span> <span style="color: #060;">'''the speller'''</span>]] [[User talk:Chris the speller|<span style="color: #900;"><sup>yack</sup></span>]] 04:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Would anyone like to comment about the appropriateness of images in navboxes at [[Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Images in navboxes (again)]]? '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 07:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Other possibilities: (1) a task force instead of a project (see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide#Identify_the_best_structure]]). or (2) a WikiProject Style Fixers or something broader than WikiProject Capitalization (but narrower than [[WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors]] and orthogonal to [[WP:WikiProject Manual of Style]]). Opinions? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 02:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I was about to ask what the value-add is beyond individual editors' efforts to tame over-capping. To recruit more to the fray? (That would be good.) To remind editors who overcap about our guidelines? Bear in mind that a lot of overcapping comes from second-language sources. Like overlinking. en.WP has different standards, let us say. [[User:Tony1|<b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen">(talk)</span>]] 07:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Please see the RMs [[Talk:Home™#Requested move 5 December 2024]] and [[Talk:ClearSkies™#Requested move 5 December 2024]] '''--[[User:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:red;;">wooden</span>]][[User talk:Woodensuperman|<span style="background:yellow; color:blue;;">superman</span>]]''' 09:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Requested move discussion in progress
[edit]An editor has requested that Climate change denial be moved to a different name. Please join the discussion at Talk:Climate change denial#Requested move 8 July 2021. Thank you. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Short description for Marshfield station
[edit]There is a discussion on the appropriate short description for Marshfield station at Talk:Marshfield station which would affect several articles on the mass transit system of Chicago and other pages. The discussion concerns the purpose of short descriptions and whether local consensus or precedence overrides broader agreements on the purpose and style recommended for short descriptions in the encyclopedia. Members of this project and any other interested parties are invited to consider the implications and provide input. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 05:53, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
Template:Use
[edit]I nominated {{Use}} (a redirect to {{American English}}) at RfD earlier today, one suggestion in the discussion was to convert it into a wrapper for the various use xx template ({{Use mdy dates}}, {{Use British English}}, etc) to be used in the form e.g. {{use|mdy dates}}. I figure editors here are the most likely to have opinions on whether this would be useful/desirable/possible/etc. Please leave any comments at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 20#Template:Use to keep discussion in one place. Thryduulf (talk) 21:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
List of songs recorded by The Carpenters
[edit]This move discussion may be of interest --woodensuperman 10:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Images in navboxes
[edit]Would anyone like to comment about the appropriateness of images in navboxes at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates#Images in navboxes (again)? --woodensuperman 07:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Use of "™" in article titles
[edit]Please see the RMs Talk:Home™#Requested move 5 December 2024 and Talk:ClearSkies™#Requested move 5 December 2024 --woodensuperman 09:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)