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== Photo for infobox == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 8 October 2024 == |
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Should we update to any of the pics from the 2020s? The one from 2016 is... from 2016. That, and if you look at [[List of first ladies of the United States]], there is another photo of Clinton being used. |
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Article states Hilary Clinton is the only woman to run for presidency to date. Kamala Harris is running for president, so this information is outdated. [[Special:Contributions/67.183.10.152|67.183.10.152]] ([[User talk:67.183.10.152|talk]]) 08:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}} The article doesn't say that, it says she is "the first woman to win a presidential nomination by a major U.S. political party" and "the only first lady of the United States to have run for elected office". Both of those statements are correct. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:ITBF|<span style="background-color:wheat;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:olivedrab>I</span> <span style=color:indianred>T</span> <span style=color:darkgoldenrod>B</span> <span style=color:darksalmon>F</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:mistyrose;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:ITBF|📢]]</span></span> 09:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Incumbent photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg |
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== Tense correction == |
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the very first sentence of this article begins, Hillary Clinton is a "politician and diplomat". Without detracting from her many accomplishments, she presently is an academic; she was a politician but is no longer; she was a diplomat, but is no longer. She is active with universities and her foundation, but not presently in public service. [[Special:Contributions/96.20.111.52|96.20.111.52]] ([[User talk:96.20.111.52|talk]]) 22:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC) |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Former_United_States_Secretary_of_State_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_at_the_U.S._Department_of_State_on_September_26%2C_2023_in_Washington%2C_D.C._14_%28cropped%29.jpg |
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:[[MOS:ROLEBIO]]: she is not notable as an academic. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hillary_Clinton_53663388489_o_%281%29.jpg [[User:DougheGojiraMan|DougheGojiraMan]] ([[User talk:DougheGojiraMan|talk]]) 04:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== 2016 election == |
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:It depends on how recent you want to go. It's better to focus on a strong, high quality image with Clinton as the focus though, I think. |
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Hillary Clinton called the 2016 election fraudulent claiming Russian interference. This claim was later proven false but her denial of the election results is omitted from her introduction. This is relevant because Donald Trump's introduction includes a lengthy paragraph about his claim that the 2020 election was fraudulent. [[Special:Contributions/108.4.153.106|108.4.153.106]] ([[User talk:108.4.153.106|talk]]) 18:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:I also propose the first image: |
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:[[:File:Former United States Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 14 (cropped).jpg]] |
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:Your comment is not accurate. [[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]] is proven. Moreover, Hillary conceded the 2016 election the next day. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 19:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:But I also believe that crops of: |
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::your source that russian interference was proven? That has been debunked. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1009:B12F:9F6F:A596:D146:6B11:7ADE|2600:1009:B12F:9F6F:A596:D146:6B11:7ADE]] ([[User talk:2600:1009:B12F:9F6F:A596:D146:6B11:7ADE|talk]]) 11:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[:File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 22.jpg]] |
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:[[:File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21.jpg]] |
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:would work well. |
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:I think the first or third image would work best, with a lean towards the third one in my own personal preference. [[User:TheodoresTomfooleries|TheodoresTomfooleries]] ([[User talk:TheodoresTomfooleries|talk]]) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::I made a crop of the third image you proposed ([[:File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21 - Crop.jpg]]) |
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::I think it's better than the first image you gave as her smile seems slightly more natural than her smile in the first image. Of course, they are ultimately very similar images so it doesn't matter that much in the long run. |
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::I just hope we can update the lead image ASAP. |
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::Also, should the current lead image (Clinton in 2016) be moved down the article in the section about her 2016 presidential campaign? It seems it would fit. [[User:Bis-Serjetà?|𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞?]] 19:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Yes; it would probably be best to move that lead image down there. |
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:::Activity on this article is very slow. Technically, it's consensus now that the image needs to be changed, but only a few people have voted. Somebody should bring this to other people's attentions. [[User:TheodoresTomfooleries|TheodoresTomfooleries]] ([[User talk:TheodoresTomfooleries|talk]]) 01:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I really like your first suggestion for the infobox. [[User:3df|3df]] ([[User talk:3df|talk]]) 08:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' It is about time the lead image is changed. Either of them can work but @[[User:3df|3df]]'s suggestions are good too. [[User:Bis-Serjetà?|𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞?]] 21:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:That SMILE! Eughh! The old one is good [[Special:Contributions/68.57.163.100|68.57.163.100]] ([[User talk:68.57.163.100|talk]]) 15:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Should we update to any of the pics from the 2020s? The one from 2016 is... from 2016. That, and if you look at List of first ladies of the United States, there is another photo of Clinton being used.
Incumbent photo: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Hillary_Clinton_by_Gage_Skidmore_4_%28cropped%29.jpg
Suggestions:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Hillary_Clinton_53663388489_o_%281%29.jpg DougheGojiraMan (talk) 04:39, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- It depends on how recent you want to go. It's better to focus on a strong, high quality image with Clinton as the focus though, I think.
- I also propose the first image:
- File:Former United States Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 14 (cropped).jpg
- But I also believe that crops of:
- File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 22.jpg
- &
- File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21.jpg
- would work well.
- I think the first or third image would work best, with a lean towards the third one in my own personal preference. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 02:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I made a crop of the third image you proposed (File:Official Portrait of Former Secretary Clinton Unveiled at the U.S. Department of State on September 26, 2023 in Washington, D.C. 21 - Crop.jpg)
- I think it's better than the first image you gave as her smile seems slightly more natural than her smile in the first image. Of course, they are ultimately very similar images so it doesn't matter that much in the long run.
- I just hope we can update the lead image ASAP.
- Also, should the current lead image (Clinton in 2016) be moved down the article in the section about her 2016 presidential campaign? It seems it would fit. 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 19:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes; it would probably be best to move that lead image down there.
- Activity on this article is very slow. Technically, it's consensus now that the image needs to be changed, but only a few people have voted. Somebody should bring this to other people's attentions. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 01:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I really like your first suggestion for the infobox. 3df (talk) 08:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support It is about time the lead image is changed. Either of them can work but @3df's suggestions are good too. 𝔅𝔦𝔰-𝔖𝔢𝔯𝔧𝔢𝔱𝔞? 21:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- That SMILE! Eughh! The old one is good 68.57.163.100 (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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