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== Unsigned Semi-protected edit request ==
== Inclusion of "Jr." in the lead sentence ==
{{Edit semi-protected|James Madison|answered=yes}}


In addition to being the shortest President, Madison also weighed the least, at 100 pounds. I suggest this be added to his infobox under his height. Source: https://potus.com/presidential-facts/presidential-weight/
In a recent [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1150019076&oldid=1149895005 edit] "Jr." was removed from the lead sentence of this article as per [[MOS:JR]]. But shouldn't it be included? The policy states that: "Using Jr., Sr., or other such distinctions, including in the lead sentence of an article, ''is ''only'' for cases in which the name with the suffix is commonly used in reliable sources''." (Emphasize added.) To my knowledge it is used semi-regularly when stating his ''full'' name and Madison himself also signed documents with Jr. included, chiefly the [[U.S. Constitution]]. Though I'm not exactly sure if it should be included, so I didn't want to just revert the change. [[User:Truth-minister|Truth-minister]] ([[User talk:Truth-minister|talk]]) 22:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> POTUS.com is not a reliable source. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 01:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
:James Madison's common name is without the Junior. G. Washington and B. Franklin were the way those two founders signed the Constitution, but are not their common names. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 03:12, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
::I'm not only referring to how the founders wrote their names on the U.S. Constitution.
::But I might be in the wrong here, as Madison's name seems to be most commonly without the Jr. when distinction with his father isn't necessary and it's mentioned in the infobox. [[User:Truth-minister|Truth-minister]] ([[User talk:Truth-minister|talk]]) 13:55, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
:::I'm fairly sure that Madison never signed his name with this designation added; also all version in print of The Federalist Papers print his name on the covers without this designation added. Wehwelt's edit looks correct. [[User:ErnestKrause|ErnestKrause]] ([[User talk:ErnestKrause|talk]]) 14:41, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
::::I will not revert the change as it's most likely a correct one. Thanks for your opinions on it though. [[User:Truth-minister|Truth-minister]] ([[User talk:Truth-minister|talk]]) 21:02, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
::::::I've removed the Jr. pending a showing that it was, or better, is, commonly used in reliable sources. If he signed the US constitution with it, maybe start "James Madison (born James Madison Jr.; ...)?--[[User:Wehwalt|Wehwalt]] ([[User talk:Wehwalt|talk]]) 12:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Wehwalt's comment is well taken; see my comment above about the accepted usage of his name for his publications. [[User:ErnestKrause|ErnestKrause]] ([[User talk:ErnestKrause|talk]]) 15:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


== Politically Bias Language and Ignorance of the Words "Democracy" and "Republic". ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2023 ==


"Dissatisfied with the weak national government established by the Articles of Confederation, he helped organize the Constitutional Convention, which produced a new constitution designed to strengthen republican government against democratic assembly."
{{edit semi-protected|James Madison|answered=yes}}
Add on to the end of "By treaty or through war, Native American tribes ceded 26,000,000 acres (11,000,000 ha) of land to the United States under Madison's presidency." , "He is also the shortest president, at 5ft 4 inches."
source: https://archive.org/details/factsaboutpresid00kane/page/344/mode/2up [[User:NU2605|NU2605]] ([[User talk:NU2605|talk]]) 13:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)


:Hello {{mention|Gwillhickers}} I noticed that you have some expertise on this topic; therefore, I'm mentioning you here. [[User:DreamRimmer|<b><span style="color: #22C6CB;">𝙳𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚖𝚁𝚒𝚖𝚖𝚎𝚛</span></b>]] <sup> [[user talk: DreamRimmer| <b><span style="color: orange;">𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚜</span></b>]]</sup> 12:35, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the compliment. I'm familiar with Madison mostly where it concerns his principle role in drafting and debating the Constitution. You might want to also contact {{u|Cmguy777}}. In any case, if there are reliable sources that support this proposal any registered editor can add it to the narrative without making this sort of edit request. Cheers. -- [[User:Gwillhickers|''Gwillhickers'']] ([[User talk:Gwillhickers |talk]]) 17:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
:Hi,
:I was looking through your request, and in my opinion the information could be added. I'm wondering what would be the right place for it, maybe we shouldn't have it next to the information not related to Madison's appearance. I couldn't find a section related to it, can anyone else find a spot?
:Cheers,
:<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> [[User:NotAGenious|NotAGenious]] ([[User talk:NotAGenious|talk]]) 18:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)


The word "Republic" comes from Ancient Roman after overthrow of monarchy, where it then became a republic around 500 BC. The United States became a Republic, when it declared Independence from the British Government and monarchy.
{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp -->: added "(shortest US president) to infobox Height field, with citation as suggested by [[User:NU2605|NU2605]]. [[User:Xan747|Xan747]] ([[User talk:Xan747|talk]]) 19:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


The word "Democracy" comes from Ancient Greek, where representative from districts would go to the capitol to vote (Not to be confused with direct voting, Referendum). Also traced back to about 500 BC.
::Madison's height in the info box is fine by me. There is no need to mention Madison's height in the article narration. That information is more trivia than having any major historical significance. Thanks. [[User:Cmguy777|Cmguy777]] ([[User talk:Cmguy777|talk]]) 16:45, 5 September 2023 (UTC)


The two are not mutually exclusive.
== Order of topics in the infobox ==


Maybe someone can phrase it in a more neutral language and logical sentences.
Hey guys. The times "in office" within "Delegate from Virginia to the Congress of the Confederation" don't follow chronological order. Maybe you guys would like to change that.


Example: "which produced a new constitution designed to strengthen republican government for (not against) democratic assembly."
Amazing article by the way, great effort. [[User:Thiago1314|Thiago1314]] ([[User talk:Thiago1314|talk]]) 19:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


== Second Amendment ==


. [[Special:Contributions/76.135.37.152|76.135.37.152]] ([[User talk:76.135.37.152|talk]]) 03:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
I added brief information on the [[Second Amendment to the United States Constitution|Second Amendment]]. I thought it was needed for the article. It is mainly general information from Cost (2021), not meant to be political in any way. Thanks. [[User:Cmguy777|Cmguy777]] ([[User talk:Cmguy777|talk]]) 04:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
== "[[:Father of the Constitution]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
: I think the initial purpose of the Second Amendment, was to counter the image of the British "Redcoats" standing army and reinforce the U.S. Government was established by the consent of citizens. [[User:Cmguy777|Cmguy777]] ([[User talk:Cmguy777|talk]]) 04:46, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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== 1807 Act ==
== Unsigned Semi-protected edit request ==
{{Edit semi-protected|James Madison|answered=yes}}


this is the 4th paragraph under the section "Secretary of State"
In addition to being the shortest President, Madison also weighed the least, at 100 pounds. I suggest this be added to his infobox under his height. Source: https://potus.com/presidential-facts/presidential-weight/

:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> POTUS.com is not a reliable source. [[User:Voorts|voorts]] ([[User talk:Voorts|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Voorts|contributions]]) 01:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Early in his tenure, Jefferson was able to maintain cordial relations with both France and Britain, but relations with Britain deteriorated after 1805. The British ended their policy of tolerance towards American shipping and began seizing American goods headed for French ports. They also [[Impressment|impressed]]American sailors, some of whom had originally defected from the British navy, but some of whom had never been British subjects. In response to the attacks, Congress passed the [[Non-importation Act]], which restricted many, but not all, British imports. Tensions with Britain were heightened due to the [[Chesapeake–Leopard affair|''Chesapeake–Leopard'' affair]], a June 1807 naval confrontation between American and British naval forces, while the French also began attacking American shipping. Madison believed that economic pressure could force the British to end their seizure of American shipped goods, and he and Jefferson convinced Congress to pass the [[Embargo Act of 1807]], which banned all exports to foreign nations. The embargo proved ineffective, unpopular, and difficult to enforce, especially in New England. In March 1809, Congress replaced the embargo with the [[Non-Intercourse Act (1809)|Non-Intercourse Act]], which allowed trade with nations other than Britain and France.


do you think there is any value in adding in there that Madison drafted the '''1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves,''' at the time, Madison was serving as Secretary of State.

the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves was signed into law before the Embargo Act.

Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves: Signed into law on March 2, 1807, and went into effect on January 1, 1808.

Embargo Act: Signed into law on December 22, 1807, and went into effect on January 1, 1808. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Randiwilliams1968|Randiwilliams1968]] ([[User talk:Randiwilliams1968#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Randiwilliams1968|contribs]]) 05:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* '''Pence, K. (2015).''' ''The history of slavery and the abolition of the slave trade: From the earliest period to the present time''. Routledge. ISBN: 978-0367331912
* '''Kline, H. (2009).''' ''James Madison: The father of the Constitution''. Macmillan. ISBN: 978-0375757415

[[User:Randiwilliams1968|Randiwilliams1968]] ([[User talk:Randiwilliams1968|talk]]) 05:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

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Unsigned Semi-protected edit request

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In addition to being the shortest President, Madison also weighed the least, at 100 pounds. I suggest this be added to his infobox under his height. Source: https://potus.com/presidential-facts/presidential-weight/

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. POTUS.com is not a reliable source. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Politically Bias Language and Ignorance of the Words "Democracy" and "Republic".

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"Dissatisfied with the weak national government established by the Articles of Confederation, he helped organize the Constitutional Convention, which produced a new constitution designed to strengthen republican government against democratic assembly."


The word "Republic" comes from Ancient Roman after overthrow of monarchy, where it then became a republic around 500 BC.  The United States became a Republic, when it declared Independence from the British Government and monarchy.  
The word "Democracy" comes from Ancient Greek, where representative from districts would go to the capitol to vote (Not to be confused with direct voting, Referendum). Also traced back to about 500 BC.  

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe someone can phrase it in a more neutral language and logical sentences.

Example: "which produced a new constitution designed to strengthen republican government for (not against) democratic assembly."


. 76.135.37.152 (talk) 03:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Father of the Constitution has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 1 § Father of the Constitution until a consensus is reached. estar8806 (talk) 20:33, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1807 Act

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this is the 4th paragraph under the section "Secretary of State"

Early in his tenure, Jefferson was able to maintain cordial relations with both France and Britain, but relations with Britain deteriorated after 1805. The British ended their policy of tolerance towards American shipping and began seizing American goods headed for French ports. They also impressedAmerican sailors, some of whom had originally defected from the British navy, but some of whom had never been British subjects. In response to the attacks, Congress passed the Non-importation Act, which restricted many, but not all, British imports. Tensions with Britain were heightened due to the Chesapeake–Leopard affair, a June 1807 naval confrontation between American and British naval forces, while the French also began attacking American shipping. Madison believed that economic pressure could force the British to end their seizure of American shipped goods, and he and Jefferson convinced Congress to pass the Embargo Act of 1807, which banned all exports to foreign nations. The embargo proved ineffective, unpopular, and difficult to enforce, especially in New England. In March 1809, Congress replaced the embargo with the Non-Intercourse Act, which allowed trade with nations other than Britain and France.


do you think there is any value in adding in there that Madison drafted the 1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves, at the time, Madison was serving as Secretary of State.

the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves was signed into law before the Embargo Act.

   Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves: Signed into law on March 2, 1807, and went into effect on January 1, 1808.
   Embargo Act: Signed into law on December 22, 1807, and went into effect on January 1, 1808.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randiwilliams1968 (talkcontribs) 05:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply] 
  • Pence, K. (2015). The history of slavery and the abolition of the slave trade: From the earliest period to the present time. Routledge. ISBN: 978-0367331912
  • Kline, H. (2009). James Madison: The father of the Constitution. Macmillan. ISBN: 978-0375757415

Randiwilliams1968 (talk) 05:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]