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woman of colour

I removed her being a woman or colour as she is quite clearly a white woman, Hispanic/Latino is not a race and woman of colour refers to a non white person or someone of European descent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Famaja (talk • contribs) 23:52, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. Why is she considered a person of color and the 1st Latino appointed to the Supreme Court? Wouldn’t that be Benjamin Cardozo who had Portuguese ancestry? According to Wikipedia he would fall into the category as Hispanic/Latino. Hispanic and Latino (ethnic categories)#:~:text=Since the 2000 Census, the,in their definition of Hispanic. What is this criteria for falling into a “person of color” category? 217.180.214.91 (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As far as Cardozo goes, the article goes into details about it in Footnote a. Did you read it? The edit in question was reverted almost immediately without controversy. Are there reliable sources that identify her as "white"? Magidin (talk) 22:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Footnotes need fixing

Currently, footnotes [a] and [b] are identical; I'm not sure how to tag footnotes so that they can be cited in two different places in the text, and don't really have the time to find out. If someone knows how to it, could they fix it to avoid the unnecessary repetition? The second instance is properly cited, so that should go to the lede and just a repeated reference to that footnote later on. Magidin (talk) 22:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done; you can tag efn footnotes with the "name" parameter as described in Template:Efn. Ligaturama (talk) 16:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Propose right-aligning the first stacked two pics in Early life. Reason: MOS:SANDWICH, it partially overlaps with the Liberalism in the United States template. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 14:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: I've moved the liberalism box to the footers so this is now less of a problem. There's still some overlap but not much. I previewed it on the right and thought it looked weird, the pictures would still extend into the next section but they clearly belong under Early Life, so I've kept them left-aligned. Ligaturama (talk) 16:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me, thanks! 211.43.120.242 (talk) 16:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presidential immunity: dissent

Greetings Wikipedians! I'm surprised there's no mention of her dissenting opinion in Donald Trump vs. USA (July 1, 2024). It's a landmark case, according to Wikipedia. I'll volunteer to draft some text on this, Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 12:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you still working on this? I noticed today there's no mention either, a strange oversight in my opinion. 162.222.63.62 (talk) 11:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Duplicate Information

I understand how a lead section of an article has to have its summary. But, adding the entire early life section in the lead, is something to look into. I would propose removing the early life details from the lead. Mentioning that she was born in New York, three times, does not sit well and reduces the quality of the article.

WikiProCreate (talk) 18:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The entire early life section is not in the lead, and in an article that long, mentioning her birthplace three times (lead, early life, infobox) is nowhere near excessive. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::As far as Cardozo goes, the article goes into details about it in Footnote a. Did you read it? The edit in question was reverted almost immediately without controversy. Are there reliable sources that identify her as "white"? [[User:Magidin|Magidin]] ([[User talk:Magidin|talk]]) 22:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
-== Photo of minor children ==
+== Footnotes need fixing ==
+Currently, footnotes [a] and [b] are identical; I'm not sure how to tag footnotes so that they can be cited in two different places in the text, and don't really have the time to find out. If someone knows how to it, could they fix it to avoid the unnecessary repetition? The second instance is properly cited, so that should go to the lede and just a repeated reference to that footnote later on. [[User:Magidin|Magidin]] ([[User talk:Magidin|talk]]) 22:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
-Why is there a photo with minor children here?  Do we have their parents' permission?  Shouldn't this be removed?  Marc Yu 16:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Marcyu|Marcyu]] ([[User talk:Marcyu#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Marcyu|contribs]]) </span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Done; you can tag efn footnotes with the "name" parameter as described in [[Template:Efn]]. [[User:Ligaturama|Ligaturama]] ([[User talk:Ligaturama|talk]]) 16:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
-==Adding Category Abortion==
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-given the current state of the Supreme Court (July 2022) and the recent rulings affecting [[:Category:Abortion|abortion]] I am adding [[:Category:Abortion]]. I believe adding this category will be uncontroversial.
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--- [[User:Charlesreid1|Charlesreid1]] ([[User talk:Charlesreid1|talk]]) 08:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
+Propose right-aligning the first stacked two pics in Early life. Reason: [[MOS:SANDWICH]], it partially overlaps with the Liberalism in the United States template. [[Special:Contributions/211.43.120.242|211.43.120.242]] ([[User talk:211.43.120.242|talk]]) 14:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Undone. Please see [[Talk:Ketanji_Brown_Jackson#Adding_Category_Abortion]] for centralized discussion. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
+:{{partly done|Partly done:}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I've moved the liberalism box to the footers so this is now less of a problem. There's still some overlap but not much. I previewed it on the right and thought it looked weird, the pictures would still extend into the next section but they clearly belong under Early Life, so I've kept them left-aligned. [[User:Ligaturama|Ligaturama]] ([[User talk:Ligaturama|talk]]) 16:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
-==Discussion at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States courts and judges#RfC on the political party field in the infobox of SCOTUS judges|Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States courts and judges §&nbsp;RfC on the political party field in the infobox of SCOTUS judges]]==
+::Looks good to me, thanks! [[Special:Contributions/211.43.120.242|211.43.120.242]] ([[User talk:211.43.120.242|talk]]) 16:45, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
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+== Presidential immunity: dissent ==
-== Controversy section should be added ==
+Greetings Wikipedians! I'm surprised there's no mention of her dissenting opinion in Donald Trump vs. USA (July 1, 2024). It's a landmark case, according to Wikipedia. I'll volunteer to draft some text on this, Cordially, [[User:BuzzWeiser196|BuzzWeiser196]] ([[User talk:BuzzWeiser196|talk]]) 12:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
-"Sotomayor's staff has often prodded public institutions that have hosted the justice to buy her memoir or children’s books, works that have earned her at least $3.7 million since she joined the court in 2009. Details of those events, largely out of public view, were obtained by The Associated Press through more than 100 open records requests to public institutions. The resulting tens of thousands of pages of documents offer a rare look at Sotomayor and her fellow justices beyond their official duties." (https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-sotomayor-book-sales-ethics-colleges-b2cb93493f927f995829762cb8338c02)
+:Are you still working on this? I noticed today there's no mention either, a strange oversight in my opinion. [[Special:Contributions/162.222.63.62|162.222.63.62]] ([[User talk:162.222.63.62|talk]]) 11:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
-AP News = Reliable Source
+== Removal of Duplicate Information ==
-[[Special:Contributions/107.123.53.16|107.123.53.16]] ([[User talk:107.123.53.16|talk]]) 14:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
+I understand how a lead section of an article has to have its summary. But, adding the entire early life section in the lead, is something to look into. I would propose removing the early life details from the lead. Mentioning that she was born in New York, three times, does not sit well and reduces the quality of the article.
-::: Obviously, it would need to be reworded to avoid copyright bios. [[Special:Contributions/107.123.53.16|107.123.53.16]] ([[User talk:107.123.53.16|talk]]) 15:01, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::No [[WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION]] should be added because it would impair [[WP:NPOV]]. The information about her book sales can be added in the appropriate section, with the reliable source, and neutral wording that we agree upon. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 16:23, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::::Well, the article is locked so how do we go forward? [[Special:Contributions/107.123.53.16|107.123.53.16]] ([[User talk:107.123.53.16|talk]]) 03:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonia_Sotomayor&diff=prev&oldid=1164925022 Somebody already added content] on this. I will take a look and copy edit. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 03:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
-:::::::Your reverting valid edits (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonia_Sotomayor&diff=1164948917&oldid=1164925022) about Justice Sotomayor's ethically challenged conduct and replacing it with nonsense is disgraceful. Even '''CNN''' (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/04/politics/sonia-sotomayor-neil-gorsuch-book-recusal-supreme-court-cases/index.html) has an issue with Sotomayor's conduct and your attempts at trivializing and minimizing this are awful, especially for someone who is an administrator and has been a Wikipedian for so many years. [[Special:Contributions/166.199.114.53|166.199.114.53]] ([[User talk:166.199.114.53|talk]]) 23:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::The CNN article is about recusals, and note that the AP article states on the same issue:{{bq|text=“Justice Sotomayor would have recused in cases in which Penguin Random House was a party, in light of her close and ongoing relationship with the publisher,” the Supreme Court said in a statement. “An inadvertent omission failed to bring Penguin’s participation in several cases to her attention; those cases ultimately were not selected for review by the Court. Chambers’ conflict check procedures have since been changed.”}} [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#066293;">'''Schazjmd'''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#738276;">''(talk)''</span>]] 23:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
-::::::::I revised the content to take out factual errors. The text that was added that (1) Penguin House had business before SCOTUS and Sotomayor did not recuse herself, and (2) the books were bought with taxpayer money. These are both false. I revised the text and left edit summaries noting that. My being an admin has nothing to do with anything here, as I'm not using admin tools on this article. Your comment and taking this to AN/I are both unfortunate. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 00:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
+[[User:WikiProCreate|WikiProCreate]] ([[User talk:WikiProCreate|talk]]) 18:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
-== Footnotes need fixing ==
+:The entire early life section is ''not'' in the lead, and in an article that long, mentioning her birthplace three times (lead, early life, infobox) is nowhere ''near'' excessive. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 18:16, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
-Currently, footnotes [a] and [b] are identical; I'm not sure how to tag footnotes so that they can be cited in two different places in the text, and don't really have the time to find out. If someone knows how to it, could they fix it to avoid the unnecessary repetition? The second instance is properly cited, so that should go to the lede and just a repeated reference to that footnote later on. [[User:Magidin|Magidin]] ([[User talk:Magidin|talk]]) 22:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)