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The amount of conjecture in this article is astounding. "3 websites say something is true, so that means something is true." Jawz101 (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jawz101, what are you referring to? Because if it's The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post wrote that the promotion of these conspiracy theories was an example of fake news, those "3 websites" are reliable sources, which means it is verified content. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"If enough for-profit rags repeat the same trash, it's indisputably true." What a fucking nightmare. 73.193.109.117 (talk) 22:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't like the way mainstream media report news, then you need to get policy changed. TFD (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+The amount of conjecture in this article is astounding.  "3 websites say something is true, so that means something is true." [[User:Jawz101|Jawz101]] ([[User talk:Jawz101|talk]]) 16:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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-The result of the move request was: '''not moved''' With 11 opposes and no supports in just under three days, this page will obviously NOT be moved per [[WP:SNOW]]... <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>  --[[User talk:Quiz shows|Quiz shows]] 18:26, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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-[[:Murder of Seth Rich]] → {{no redirect|Killing of Seth Rich}} – Per [[WP:DEATHS]]. There have been no murder convictions on this case, so it's inappropriate to label it a murder. [[User:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|Iamreallygoodatcheckers]] ([[User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers|talk]]) 02:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose'''  WP:DEATHS says if there is a common name we should use it. In this case it is murder. WP:DEATHS in any case is not a policy or guideline and has not been vetted by the community. There's very little doubt that it was a murder, that is, that the assailant had criminal intent, and none has been expressed in reliable sources. [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 03:00, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' per TFD and WP:COMMONNAME, [[Talk:Murder_of_Seth_Rich/Archive_13#Requested_move_2_June_2020|same as last time]] we discussed this, in 2020. And the same as when it was [[Talk:Murder_of_Seth_Rich/Archive_10#Requested_move_2_June_2017|discussed before that, in 2017]]. And [[WP:TROUT|trout]] {{u|Iamreallygoodatcheckers}}. [[User:Geogene|Geogene]] ([[User talk:Geogene|talk]]) 05:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' The preponderance of reliable sources describe this as a murder, either in the headline, or in the body of the story. When "murdered" is not used, its close synonym "slain" is frequently used instead. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 05:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' "Kill" is a neutral word, whereas "murder" indicates criminal intent. This was clearly a murder, in contrast to another place where we say "kill": [[Killing of Ma'Khia Bryant]], where a police officer shot her to prevent her from stabbing another girl she was attacking with a knife. This was ruled a justifiable homicide and the officer was not charged. This was also not a racially-motivated killing but a tragic event. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 18:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Weak oppose'''. If there were any known suspects, then I would support the move, as the title does presume guilt in the absence of any conviction for murder. However, in this case, since there is no known suspect and since this is most commonly described as a murder, the current title is fine. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 02:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' Agree with {{u|The Four Deuces}}. [[WP:DEATHS]] is an explanatory supplement and not WP:Policy or a guideline. The WP:Policy of COMMONNAME indicates that if there is a common name, then ''that'' common name is what takes precedence. A Google search for "Killing of Seth Rich" gives 2500 results, "Murder of Seth Rich" gives 14,000 - "murder" in this case does seem to be more common. [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 04:29, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' even as a supporter of [[WP:DEATHS]] myself. [[WP:DEATHS]] doesn't apply if the incident is universally considered a murder by sources long before the conviction could be attained. — ''Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung'', ''[[User:Mellohi!|mello]]'''''[[User talk:Mellohi!|hi!]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Mellohi!|投稿]]) 05:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' [[WP:DEATHS]] is ridiculous. And murder has nothing to do with convictions or trials. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 08:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Strong oppose''' [[WP:SPADE|Call a spade a spade]]. This was a criminal act, recognized universally as a murder. This ridiculous dance of first titling obvious criminal homicides as "Killing" and then, finally, ''if'' a suspect is found and a jury returns a verdict, only ''then'' proposing a rename to "Murder" is one of the more tediously pedantic practices on Wikipedia. Just follow COMMONNAME already! -- [[User:Veggies|<b style="color: blue; font-family: Times New Roman;">Veggies</b>]] (''[[User talk:Veggies|<b style="color: blue; font-family: Times New Roman;">talk</b>]]'') 20:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Weak oppose''' per Rreagan007's reasoning. If there were any suspects, then BLP considerations should indeed take precedence over COMMONNAME and the name changed to avoid implications. However, as long as there is no living person who could be impacted by the current title, COMMONNAME should prevail. Regards [[User:SoWhy|<span style="color:#7A2F2F;font-variant:small-caps">So</span>]][[User talk:SoWhy|<span style="color:#474F84;font-variant:small-caps">Why</span>]] 08:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' Ridiculous. He didn't shoot himself n the back 2 times. The absence of an identified perpetrator does not invalidate the nature of the death, which is a murder. [[User:ValarianB|ValarianB]] ([[User talk:ValarianB|talk]]) 13:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
+:{{u|Jawz101}}, what are you referring to? Because if it's {{tq|The New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post wrote that the promotion of these conspiracy theories was an example of fake news}}, those "3 websites" are [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], which means it is [[WP:V|verified content]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 17:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
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+::"If enough for-profit rags repeat the same trash, it's indisputably true." What a fucking nightmare. [[Special:Contributions/73.193.109.117|73.193.109.117]] ([[User talk:73.193.109.117|talk]]) 22:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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+:::If you don't like the way mainstream media report news, then you need to get policy changed.  [[User:The Four Deuces|TFD]] ([[User talk:The Four Deuces|talk]]) 16:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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