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== Poor article basically saying paracetamol is useless... == |
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== NPOV Dispute == |
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To read this article, one would think that paracetamol is useless. Poor article. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C8:9FF6:DC01:2147:38EA:4881:5694|2A00:23C8:9FF6:DC01:2147:38EA:4881:5694]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C8:9FF6:DC01:2147:38EA:4881:5694|talk]]) 21:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Numerous edits by a single editor throughout March 2021 have lead to this article reading like an argument against the use of paracetamol/acetaminophen. This is especially apparently in the introduction, and it occurs throughout the article. These edits are heavily cited, but undue weight is given to these arguments. Some of the citations are primary sources. |
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== Article likely should be redone. == |
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(I would like to be active in reshaping this article to align with Wikipedia policies, but I am new to contributing and I am overwhelmed.) [[User:Alyssa817|Alyssa817]] ([[User talk:Alyssa817|talk]]) 01:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{u|Alyssa817}} - itemize your issues here first. The lede statements are well-sourced, and there have been few lede changes over recent months. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 02:07, 19 March 2022 (UTC) |
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::The issue here isn't a lack of references, it's a question of tone, balance and weight. The present state of the article is almost evangelical, as if [[factory farming]] had been heavily edited by an animal rights activist. Rightly or wrongly, there ''appears'' to be an agenda here, even if none exists. --[[User:Ef80|Ef80]] ([[User talk:Ef80|talk]]) 15:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:I agree with this criticism (as do all the comments later on the talk page, implicitly). Another point to keep in mind is that paracetamol is an old drug. Little high-quality research is currently being on it, since its medical uses are, I think, well understood (and there is very little funding for such research). I doubt serious people are even writing surveys on that anymore. So, citations to recent articles about its clinical uses are likely to be low-quality papers or ones presenting provocative results which are unlikely to hold up under further research. Recent metastudies suffer the same problem. Citations for clinical uses should either be to recent mainstream medical textbooks, or to survey papers written a long time ago (~50 years). (Its mechanism of action might still be a topic of active study, so recent citations there are more plausible.) |
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:It would be nice if an expert would clean up this article (and ideally sign their name to the edits), or if a moderator would revert it to the state before "The Sceptical Chymist"s edits in 2021. This is an important medicine, and an inaccurate Wikipedia article about it does real harm. (I am a mathematician, and lack the expertise to do this responsibly.) [[User:RobertLipshitz|RobertLipshitz]] ([[User talk:RobertLipshitz|talk]]) 17:40, 9 July 2023 (UTC) |
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I noted the PARACETAMOL - descriptor - minor comment - I am sure TYLENOL is the far bigger brand name - and I'm a Brit. |
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== The entire 2nd paragraph sounds like an advert for ibuprofen! == |
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2nd paragraph starts with the words: "At a standard dose.." |
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It really feels like someone is trying to promote ibuprofen and say how much better it is than Paracetamol. |
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Agree with others - given how much paracetamol/tylenol is in use - the article almost seems dismissive. [[User:BeingObjective|BeingObjective]] ([[User talk:BeingObjective|talk]]) 20:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== This article reads like nobody is certain that tylenol is better than a sugar pill. == |
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Almost every use is "uncertain".... man if only there were a way to find out. Wow, they call out that tylenol does NOT treat a sore throat, because there is "poor data quality". |
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However, the same quotation says that it relieves a "stuffy nose". I can't find where that comes from in the linked reference, but I'll tell you Tylenol would claim their product relieves stuffy noses if it was proven. And they don't. |
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Page currently refers to Paracetamol's Scheduling in Australia as "Rx Only" Since this is not a term used by the TGA to describe drug Scheduling, I believe it should be changed to say S4/S3/S2/Unscheduled. [[User:Kalebz456|Kalebz456]] ([[User talk:Kalebz456|talk]]) 05:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Then they note that "it only slightly reduces fever"??? It's the primary anti-fever med where I come from. What are these "facts" and who thinks they belong here? |
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Oh under adverse effects, here's a good one: "increase in risk taking behavior is possible." Yup that's definitely a real "fact" worth including in the wikipedia article alongside real actual medical adverse effects. |
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Shouldn't this article be titled "Acetaminophen" instead of "Paracetemol", given that this is the generic name for the substance in the United States (as well as Canada), as it notes? Of course, this depends on who the English edition of Wikipedia is for, but the number of English speakers in the United States is larger than that in the United Kingdom. Of course, Paracetemol should still redirect to it. [[User:Quadibloc|Quadibloc]] ([[User talk:Quadibloc|talk]]) 21:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== I don't have time to clean up this mess but I suggest hunting down and undoing those March 2021 edits and banning the user. == |
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:I agree, I was somewhat surprised seeing paracetamol as its primary name. Also, there's a citation needed on the list of places that use the name acetaminophen. Not sure who wrote this, but as others have said, this article probably needs an overhaul. [[User:Jordan112011|Jordan112011]] ([[User talk:Jordan112011|talk]]) 04:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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This reads like there was an agenda or unreasonably poor judgement in choice of what data to include and where the more fringe "paper quotations" (not facts) belong. |
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:as per the manual of style, consistency is all that matters, though international names for things should be used. |
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:Seeing as the WHO uses paracetamol over acetaminophen, perhaps it should remain paracetamol. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:DA9E:C00:7D5E:3D8C:A61C:E1C4|2A02:C7C:DA9E:C00:7D5E:3D8C:A61C:E1C4]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7C:DA9E:C00:7D5E:3D8C:A61C:E1C4|talk]]) 08:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:The name "Paracetamol" is not in any way limited to use in British English. Apart from the countries listed in the note, the rest of the world uses "Paracetamol". The WHO International Nonproprietary Name is Paracetamol. Common name rules do not mean it has to follow the American norm, similar case with Aluminium. [[User:AlbusWulfricDumbledore|AlbusWulfricDumbledore]] ([[User talk:AlbusWulfricDumbledore|talk]]) 10:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Poor article basically saying paracetamol is useless...
[edit]To read this article, one would think that paracetamol is useless. Poor article. 2A00:23C8:9FF6:DC01:2147:38EA:4881:5694 (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Article likely should be redone.
[edit]I noted the PARACETAMOL - descriptor - minor comment - I am sure TYLENOL is the far bigger brand name - and I'm a Brit.
Agree with others - given how much paracetamol/tylenol is in use - the article almost seems dismissive. BeingObjective (talk) 20:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
- A Brit living in the USA... 2A02:C7C:DA9E:C00:7D5E:3D8C:A61C:E1C4 (talk) 08:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Australian Drug Scheduling
[edit]Page currently refers to Paracetamol's Scheduling in Australia as "Rx Only" Since this is not a term used by the TGA to describe drug Scheduling, I believe it should be changed to say S4/S3/S2/Unscheduled. Kalebz456 (talk) 05:46, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Shouldn't this article be titled "Acetaminophen" instead of "Paracetemol", given that this is the generic name for the substance in the United States (as well as Canada), as it notes? Of course, this depends on who the English edition of Wikipedia is for, but the number of English speakers in the United States is larger than that in the United Kingdom. Of course, Paracetemol should still redirect to it. Quadibloc (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, I was somewhat surprised seeing paracetamol as its primary name. Also, there's a citation needed on the list of places that use the name acetaminophen. Not sure who wrote this, but as others have said, this article probably needs an overhaul. Jordan112011 (talk) 04:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- as per the manual of style, consistency is all that matters, though international names for things should be used.
- Seeing as the WHO uses paracetamol over acetaminophen, perhaps it should remain paracetamol. 2A02:C7C:DA9E:C00:7D5E:3D8C:A61C:E1C4 (talk) 08:38, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
- The name "Paracetamol" is not in any way limited to use in British English. Apart from the countries listed in the note, the rest of the world uses "Paracetamol". The WHO International Nonproprietary Name is Paracetamol. Common name rules do not mean it has to follow the American norm, similar case with Aluminium. AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 10:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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