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Isn't the reference to Vietnam a retcon, put in place IIRC by [[John Byrne]] in the late 1980s? [[User:Luis Dantas|Luis Dantas]] |
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:It was pretty obvious it was Vietnam in the original story, but to be honest I can't recall without access to my issues at the moment if it was named or just an unnamed South East Asian country. David Michelinie was the one who made it explicit in the 70s, I believe. If someone can confirm it and fix it, that'd be great. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] 19:15, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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::From what little I can gather, it was unnamed. I've fixed it in the main text. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] 19:25, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:::Ick. A troll of USENET now shows that yes, it was named Vietnam. Reverted. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] 19:34, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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I think, of all the Marvel characters, Iron Man has the most number of costumes (or in this case, armors). The funny thing is, Iron Man's Wiki page has not a list of them at least. Wolverine has a list of all the costumes he's had. Why can't Iron Man have his? --[[User:Windspinner|Windspinner]] 09:06, 5 September 2005 (UTC)windspinner |
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:There's a couple of external links to sites which list the various armors. I mean, Tony changes armors like he changes underwear, and I'm uncertain of the encyclopedic value of listing every armor he's ever had. If you feel energetic enough, you might want to create a daughter article just for the armors (as to put it in the main article would probably make it way too long). Personally, I feel that a listing of that nature is way too trivial (and I don't like it in Wolverine either), but hey, knock yourself out. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 09:18, 5 September 2005 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, you're right, it might seem too trivial. Well, I was just thinking that those armors were part of Iron Man's history, and putting them on this page would make it a more interesting article, but I guess I might have thought wrong as some just-curious-who-Iron-Man-is readers might find it uninteresting and tiresome. Hey, how about we just place here Tony's women? Nah, just kidding. --[[User:Windspinner|Windspinner]] 23:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)windspinner |
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:::I don't think so. IM(NS)HO, it may reflect changes in attitude (in Logan, anyhow), & in IM, there's room for comment on "fadishness" (or "fannishness") of the suits: recall, there were shrieks of protest when artists first del the mask's nose... In the main article, N, but... [[User:Trekphiler|Trekphiler]] 17:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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{{u|Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot}}, you need to provide reliable sources to demonstrate that information is significant enough for inclusion. If characters such as 1872 Iron Man and Iron Maniac are not mentioned in any sources outside of the comics, then they're irrelevant and should not be mentioned in the article at all. You're currently giving them [[WP:ASPECT|disproportionate weight]] by adding them. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 18:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:while this might be valid for 1872 version, iron maniac becomes significant on the count of the iron man which was evil or villainous and the end counts as a what if story where iron man is at end of life or dying. if mentioning strictly in secondary sources such as comic book review sites and or documentary books regarding comics is required then the vast majority of alternative versions of comic characters would have to be removed from wikipedia and that would make articles on comic characters not acknowledging that any alternative versions exist. would not that be the case? what makes the 2 versions before my inclusion significant and why the source stating them makes them significant? [[User:Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot|Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot]] ([[User talk:Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot|talk]]) 18:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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I don't think anyone official has made reference to Matt Dillon being attached to the Iron Man movie. No actors have been discussed publically, whoever put Matt Dillon is probably just a fan, but I won't go delete it myself if there's something I don't konw. |
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::Significance on Wikipedia is based on the sources. We don't decide what to add and then find sources for it; that's [[WP:BACKWARD|writing the article backward]]. We look at the sources and we add what they say. We don't get to just decide that "he's evil" or "he's dying" automatically makes something significant. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 19:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::what is your source of significance for alternate versions of any comic character? [[User:Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot|Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot]] ([[User talk:Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot|talk]]) 19:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::That they're covered in reliable sources beyond their appearances in the comic book stories. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 19:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::what are the reliable sources for alternate versions of any comic character? comic book review sites and or documentary books? if so, why not remove alternate versions entirely? how many alternate versions of most characters have secondary mentions? [[User:Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot|Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot]] ([[User talk:Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot|talk]]) 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::There's no obligation or requirement that alternate versions be included. Wikipedia is a summary of reliable sources. Comic book characters don't get an exemption from this. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 19:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::If you would like to help find reliable sources like the the versions mentioned above, the Tony Stark who operated as [[Ant-Man]], and the [[Ultimate Universe|Earth-6160]] version of Tony Stark who operates as [[Iron Lad]] since [[Howard Stark#Ultimate Universe|Howard Stark]] operated as Iron Man, feel free to help find those sources to improve the Alternate versions section. I did mention something like this on your talk page at some point {{ping|Thebiguglyalien}}. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::At a certain point, you have to accept that some things are just [[WP:FANCRUFT]]. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 15:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Maybe it's me, but, every app he's made outside IM? And who decided which stories were "important"? What happened to the assassination of the ambassador? The first alky story? Revealling his ID to Michael O'Brien? Beth telling him she knew? Or Kraken?! This reads like a ''MU'' entry, very biased toward the contemporary IM: N mention Whitney Frost (!) or Mandarin (!), nor Yellow Claw, Midas, the Melter... Hey, I was a sometime fan, so I'm N in a pos to write it, but it sure needs some rewrite. IMHO, the article should be an examination of IM's history & his significance as a character within the MU, N a glorified ''MU'' entry for potential readers if ''IM''... [[User:Trekphiler|Trekphiler]] 17:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Biographical Extension: Our suggested changes are meant to improve the depiction of Tony Stark's beginnings, including his childhood, his schooling, and his career pursuits before he became Iron Man. This includes a careful examination of significant events in Stark's life, both inside and outside of his superhero persona. Detailed Suit Analysis: A whole section will focus on the various ways that the Iron Man suit has been adapted for comic books, movies, and other media. This section will provide fans with a thorough grasp of Iron Man's changing armor by delving into the technological improvements, special features, and historical relevance of each incarnation. Character Evolution Analysis: By highlighting important themes, internal struggles, and pivotal moments, our research will analyze Tony Stark's character journey chronologically. The entire Stark journey—from his early depiction as a brazen billionaire to his development into an experienced superhero and powerful leader—will be thoroughly and perceptively examined. Cultural Impact and Legacy: This essay will examine how society, the superhero genre, and popular culture in general have been greatly impacted by Iron Man. This includes talking about his impact on culture, how he affects other superheroes, and how important he is to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe. [[User:Vuongdovu|Vuongdovu]] ([[User talk:Vuongdovu|talk]]) 22:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:To try and address some of the concerns: The assassination of the Carnellian ambassador is actually in the entry, just before we talk about Stane. The Mandarin is also there; Yellow Claw, Midas, the Melter are all minor, and Yellow Claw wasn't really even an Iron Man villain anyway, just a drag-in from the Timely days to address the similarities between him and the Mandarin. I've read Iron Man over the last nearly thirty years or so and while it's obviously just my take on it, the stories mentioned are the major ones that people actually remember and go on about, not small things like Bethany telling Stark she knew the worst-kept secret identity in comics-dom. You'll notice there isn't a mention of Janice Cord either (though there arguable should be). |
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:Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying you don't have a point about the content being more about the "modern Iron Man", but recent development generally hold stronger weight in the mind's eye. I do agree that there should be a bit more about Stark's place in the MU as ''the'' technologist and businessman (and to a degree that's also mentioned), and probably a bit about the aforementioned worst-kept secret identity, and unless someone else does, I'll think on that over the next few days, but not everything needs to be in, IMO. Thanks for the suggestions, in any case. --[[User:Khaosworks|khaosworks]] ([[User talk:Khaosworks|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Khaosworks|contribs]]) 22:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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A new section entitled "Early Life and Education" will be added to the Wikipedia page to provide a comprehensive overview of Tony Stark's formative years. This section will delve into Stark's upbringing in Long Island, New York, where he was born into the affluent Stark family. Details about his parents, particularly his father Howard Stark, a prominent industrialist and inventor, will be included to contextualize Tony's early influences. |
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The narrative will then shift to Stark's academic pursuits, highlighting his exceptional intelligence and passion for technology. It will be noted that Stark attended the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he studied engineering and computer science. This period of his life will be explored to showcase Stark's early achievements and contributions to the field, possibly including any groundbreaking projects or inventions he may have developed during his time at MIT. |
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Furthermore, emphasis will be placed on Stark's entrepreneurial endeavors during his early career. As a young prodigy in the field of technology and engineering, Stark will be depicted as having founded or played a significant role in the development of Stark Industries, the multinational conglomerate founded by his father. Details about Stark's innovative projects, business ventures, and technological advancements during this period will be included to illustrate his rise to prominence in the business world. [[User:Vuongdovu|Vuongdovu]] ([[User talk:Vuongdovu|talk]]) 00:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}} As it said in the edit request notice, you cannot request changes without describing the exact words you want changed. You also need to provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to verify your changes. As it stands, these are unlikely to be added because this is a fictional character and it should not be written like a real-life biography. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 01:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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new section titled "Evolution of the Iron Man Suit" will be introduced to the Wikipedia page to offer readers an in-depth analysis of the iconic armor worn by Tony Stark. This section aims to explore the evolution of the Iron Man suit across different mediums, including comic books, movies, television shows, and video games. |
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The analysis will begin with the origin of the Iron Man suit, tracing its inception back to its comic book debut in "Tales of Suspense" #39 in 1963. The evolution of the suit will be discussed chronologically, highlighting significant technological advancements and design changes that have occurred over the years. |
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Key iterations of the Iron Man suit, such as the Mark I, Mark II, and subsequent models, will be examined in detail. This analysis will include discussions on the introduction of new features, such as repulsor technology, advanced artificial intelligence systems (e.g., J.A.R.V.I.S. and F.R.I.D.A.Y.), and modular components that allow for customization and adaptation to different situations. |
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Furthermore, the section will explore how the Iron Man suit has been adapted for various media adaptations, including the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), animated television series, and video games. Differences and similarities between the comic book iterations and their on-screen counterparts will be highlighted, along with the creative decisions behind these adaptations. |
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Visual aids, such as concept art, promotional images, and screenshots from movies or television shows, may be included to supplement the analysis and provide visual reference points for readers. [[User:Vuongdovu|Vuongdovu]] ([[User talk:Vuongdovu|talk]]) 03:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:What sources are you basing this on? Because it sounds a lot like you are planning to add original research to me, which is not allowed per [[WP:NOR]]. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 03:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot, you need to provide reliable sources to demonstrate that information is significant enough for inclusion. If characters such as 1872 Iron Man and Iron Maniac are not mentioned in any sources outside of the comics, then they're irrelevant and should not be mentioned in the article at all. You're currently giving them disproportionate weight by adding them. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- while this might be valid for 1872 version, iron maniac becomes significant on the count of the iron man which was evil or villainous and the end counts as a what if story where iron man is at end of life or dying. if mentioning strictly in secondary sources such as comic book review sites and or documentary books regarding comics is required then the vast majority of alternative versions of comic characters would have to be removed from wikipedia and that would make articles on comic characters not acknowledging that any alternative versions exist. would not that be the case? what makes the 2 versions before my inclusion significant and why the source stating them makes them significant? Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Significance on Wikipedia is based on the sources. We don't decide what to add and then find sources for it; that's writing the article backward. We look at the sources and we add what they say. We don't get to just decide that "he's evil" or "he's dying" automatically makes something significant. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- what is your source of significance for alternate versions of any comic character? Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 19:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- That they're covered in reliable sources beyond their appearances in the comic book stories. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- what are the reliable sources for alternate versions of any comic character? comic book review sites and or documentary books? if so, why not remove alternate versions entirely? how many alternate versions of most characters have secondary mentions? Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- There's no obligation or requirement that alternate versions be included. Wikipedia is a summary of reliable sources. Comic book characters don't get an exemption from this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you would like to help find reliable sources like the the versions mentioned above, the Tony Stark who operated as Ant-Man, and the Earth-6160 version of Tony Stark who operates as Iron Lad since Howard Stark operated as Iron Man, feel free to help find those sources to improve the Alternate versions section. I did mention something like this on your talk page at some point @Thebiguglyalien:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- At a certain point, you have to accept that some things are just WP:FANCRUFT. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you would like to help find reliable sources like the the versions mentioned above, the Tony Stark who operated as Ant-Man, and the Earth-6160 version of Tony Stark who operates as Iron Lad since Howard Stark operated as Iron Man, feel free to help find those sources to improve the Alternate versions section. I did mention something like this on your talk page at some point @Thebiguglyalien:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's no obligation or requirement that alternate versions be included. Wikipedia is a summary of reliable sources. Comic book characters don't get an exemption from this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- what are the reliable sources for alternate versions of any comic character? comic book review sites and or documentary books? if so, why not remove alternate versions entirely? how many alternate versions of most characters have secondary mentions? Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- That they're covered in reliable sources beyond their appearances in the comic book stories. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- what is your source of significance for alternate versions of any comic character? Mussharraf Hossen Shoikot (talk) 19:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Significance on Wikipedia is based on the sources. We don't decide what to add and then find sources for it; that's writing the article backward. We look at the sources and we add what they say. We don't get to just decide that "he's evil" or "he's dying" automatically makes something significant. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Biographical Extension: Our suggested changes are meant to improve the depiction of Tony Stark's beginnings, including his childhood, his schooling, and his career pursuits before he became Iron Man. This includes a careful examination of significant events in Stark's life, both inside and outside of his superhero persona. Detailed Suit Analysis: A whole section will focus on the various ways that the Iron Man suit has been adapted for comic books, movies, and other media. This section will provide fans with a thorough grasp of Iron Man's changing armor by delving into the technological improvements, special features, and historical relevance of each incarnation. Character Evolution Analysis: By highlighting important themes, internal struggles, and pivotal moments, our research will analyze Tony Stark's character journey chronologically. The entire Stark journey—from his early depiction as a brazen billionaire to his development into an experienced superhero and powerful leader—will be thoroughly and perceptively examined. Cultural Impact and Legacy: This essay will examine how society, the superhero genre, and popular culture in general have been greatly impacted by Iron Man. This includes talking about his impact on culture, how he affects other superheroes, and how important he is to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe. Vuongdovu (talk) 22:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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Biographical Extension Edit:
Change: Add a detailed section on Tony Stark's childhood, education, and early career, including his upbringing in Long Island, New York, his attendance at MIT, and his early achievements in technology and engineering.
Proposed Edit: A new section entitled "Early Life and Education" will be added to the Wikipedia page to provide a comprehensive overview of Tony Stark's formative years. This section will delve into Stark's upbringing in Long Island, New York, where he was born into the affluent Stark family. Details about his parents, particularly his father Howard Stark, a prominent industrialist and inventor, will be included to contextualize Tony's early influences.
The narrative will then shift to Stark's academic pursuits, highlighting his exceptional intelligence and passion for technology. It will be noted that Stark attended the prestigious Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he studied engineering and computer science. This period of his life will be explored to showcase Stark's early achievements and contributions to the field, possibly including any groundbreaking projects or inventions he may have developed during his time at MIT.
Furthermore, emphasis will be placed on Stark's entrepreneurial endeavors during his early career. As a young prodigy in the field of technology and engineering, Stark will be depicted as having founded or played a significant role in the development of Stark Industries, the multinational conglomerate founded by his father. Details about Stark's innovative projects, business ventures, and technological advancements during this period will be included to illustrate his rise to prominence in the business world. Vuongdovu (talk) 00:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not done As it said in the edit request notice, you cannot request changes without describing the exact words you want changed. You also need to provide reliable sources to verify your changes. As it stands, these are unlikely to be added because this is a fictional character and it should not be written like a real-life biography. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:05, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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new section titled "Evolution of the Iron Man Suit" will be introduced to the Wikipedia page to offer readers an in-depth analysis of the iconic armor worn by Tony Stark. This section aims to explore the evolution of the Iron Man suit across different mediums, including comic books, movies, television shows, and video games.
The analysis will begin with the origin of the Iron Man suit, tracing its inception back to its comic book debut in "Tales of Suspense" #39 in 1963. The evolution of the suit will be discussed chronologically, highlighting significant technological advancements and design changes that have occurred over the years.
Key iterations of the Iron Man suit, such as the Mark I, Mark II, and subsequent models, will be examined in detail. This analysis will include discussions on the introduction of new features, such as repulsor technology, advanced artificial intelligence systems (e.g., J.A.R.V.I.S. and F.R.I.D.A.Y.), and modular components that allow for customization and adaptation to different situations.
Furthermore, the section will explore how the Iron Man suit has been adapted for various media adaptations, including the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), animated television series, and video games. Differences and similarities between the comic book iterations and their on-screen counterparts will be highlighted, along with the creative decisions behind these adaptations.
Visual aids, such as concept art, promotional images, and screenshots from movies or television shows, may be included to supplement the analysis and provide visual reference points for readers. Vuongdovu (talk) 03:36, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- What sources are you basing this on? Because it sounds a lot like you are planning to add original research to me, which is not allowed per WP:NOR. MrOllie (talk) 03:42, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Change the link to Christopher Cantwell to link to the [writer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Cantwell_(writer)), not the Neo-nazi FrostWyrmTV (talk) 18:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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