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==Are you sure== |
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"Are you sure that white means of European origin? Because there are many Arabs who look more European than Greeks." |
"Are you sure that white means of European origin? Because there are many Arabs who look more European than Greeks." |
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:it's rather a precision, not a synonym. [[User:Azerty82|Azerty82]] ([[User talk:Azerty82|talk]]) 19:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC) |
:it's rather a precision, not a synonym. [[User:Azerty82|Azerty82]] ([[User talk:Azerty82|talk]]) 19:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== Description on remigration is not accurate and ignores the vast history of the word == |
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Remigration is not a word invented by a French communist newspaper. It is defined in several dictionaries but you use a newspaper to define it. This is a word with a vast history not a new political concept. Here is a definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remigration |
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[[Special:Contributions/174.52.89.222|174.52.89.222]] ([[User talk:174.52.89.222|talk]]) |
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== It is inaccurate to say that remigration targets non-whites. == |
== It is inaccurate to say that remigration targets non-whites. == |
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The [[Day of Revenge]] and arguably the [[White people in Zimbabwe#Decline|land seizures in Zimbabwe]] show that remigration is a general [[Nativism (politics)|nativist]] policy that may be promoted by any ethnicity. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D|2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D]] ([[User talk:2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D#top|talk]]) 10:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
The [[Day of Revenge]] and arguably the [[White people in Zimbabwe#Decline|land seizures in Zimbabwe]] show that remigration is a general [[Nativism (politics)|nativist]] policy that may be promoted by any ethnicity. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D|2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D]] ([[User talk:2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D#top|talk]]) 10:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Remigration is not just some euro France political concept == |
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Remigration is not a word invented by a French communist newspaper. This article is ridiculous. Remigration is defined in several dictionaries but you use a newspaper to define it. This is a word with a vast history(i.e a people remigrating back to their country after war) not a new political concept. Here is a definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remigration. I move toward writing the introduction with the actual definition and then mentioning it as political concept. This will allow the article to be expanded overtime. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/174.52.89.222|174.52.89.222]] ([[User talk:174.52.89.222#top|talk]]) 22:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:''[[wikt:remigration|Remigration]]'' on Wiktionary uses the prevailing definition per Webster's as well. At this point, linking to that entry instead of this article seems preferable. --[[User:NFSreloaded|NFSreloaded]] ([[User talk:NFSreloaded|talk]]) 03:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::I'm not going to lie this is the first time I've ever heard of repatriation as a far-right Ideology. This article confuses Remigration and repatriation with some Right wing ideology. Its either that the article needs to be rewritten or the page needs to get moved to something like [[Remigration (Far-Right Ideology)]] or [[Remigration (Right-wing Ideology)]]. The Article title is extremely misleading and I actually find it amusing. [[User:Zyxrq|Zyxrq]] ([[User talk:Zyxrq|talk]]) 19:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Add that the word as it makes no sense, and may just be a fancy word for something else == |
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"Remigration" as a word makes no sense, as the "re" prefix claims that that following word would be done again, which in the context of what the word means in practice is not the case, suggesting that the word is just a fancy, irrational creation, for an existing word, which words would you suggest would that be? I suggest that the mentioned context should be added to the article, including the word, which actually hides behind the artifical creation. [[User:Forsen1337|Forsen1337]] ([[User talk:Forsen1337|talk]]) 12:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC) |
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== Sociology of immigration == |
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The terminus is used in the sociology of immigration for pehomenons in the transnational and internal migration. |
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* Russell King: ''Return Migration and Regional Economic Problems.'' Croom Helm, London 1986, ISBN 0-7099-1578-0 |
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* Russell King, Katie Kuschminder (editors): ''Handbook of return migration.'' Edward Elgar Publishing, Cheltenham 2022, ISBN 978-1-83910-004-8. |
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Interesting might also be the remigration of surviving German refugees (jews, political dissiedents and artists from US/UK to Gemany/Austria after WW2). [[User:5glogger|5glogger]] ([[User talk:5glogger|talk]]) 17:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Political bias, opinion rather than fact == |
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This article is clearly heavily politically biased, and uses inflammatory and partisan language. It's also current political comment rather than a useful artifact; c.f. Wictionary's own definition at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remigration, and countless other dictionaries. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/37.189.168.31|37.189.168.31]] ([[User talk:37.189.168.31#top|talk]]) 14:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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:Claiming that remigration is somehow an extreme right-wing idea is just wrong. It would perhaps be correct to say that support for unlimited migration and refusal to deport illegal immigrants are extreme left-wing ideas. The current English language article reflects this political bias. |
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:Speaking as a European, there are two groups that are commonly discussed under the term "remigration": |
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:- Illegal immigrants. If someone is illegally here, they need to be deported. That's obvious, and shouldn't be controversial at all. However, many governments have lacked the political will to actually enforce their own immigration laws. |
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:- Immigrants who fail to assimilate. This is more controversial, but consider: If someone is allowed to immigrate, but (after a suitable amount of time) refuses to learn the local language and refuses to accept the local culture? Why should they be allowed to stay? European nations do not claim to be (or want to be) "melting pots". Anyway, unassimilated immigrants are refusing to "melt". [[Special:Contributions/147.86.175.63|147.86.175.63]] ([[User talk:147.86.175.63|talk]]) 12:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== Connections with other articles == |
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"Repatriation" is shown as a bold synonym in the lead, yet there is a separate article titled [[Repatriation]]. Maybe the term should be introduced in quotes instead of bold, along with an explanation of what the term usually means and a link to the other article. Consider adding this article to [[Repatriation (disambiguation)]] as well. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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It might make sense to link to [[Opposition to immigration]] somewhere. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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It might be appropriate to show [[Template:Discrimination_sidebar]] and add a link in the sidebar-template to this article. Both [[Ethnic cleansing]] and [[Opposition to immigration]] use the sidebar, so it seems within scope. I'm not sure what the procedure is for determining which articles get listed in a sidebar. [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Error in the page. Remigration meaning can't be boiled down to "far-right" stamp == |
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I think there is an error in the page. remigration defintion: The meaning of REMIGRATION is the act of migrating again; especially : the act of returning to one's original or previous home after a migration. |
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To conclude that this concept is in all aspects "far-right" is the same as saying that globalism or multiculturalism is "far-left". Neither of these are correct or helpful, or factual. |
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Thank you a lot, I will proceed further with this matter in case it is not revised or seriously looked at. If this is not removed, then it seems only natural that globalism and multiculturalism be revised as far-left "concepts" as well. |
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Best regards, [[User:DK2828|DK2828]] ([[User talk:DK2828|talk]]) 17:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:See [[WP:RGW]] and [[WP:THETRUTH]] and [[WP:POINT]]. [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 18:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:The claim is sourced to 2 books, one by [[A. James McAdams]] and one by [[John Feffer]]. Which of those books do you disagree with? Which specific quotes? Why? Can you make a list of the [[WP:RELIABLE]] sources that support that view? [[User:Polygnotus|Polygnotus]] ([[User talk:Polygnotus|talk]]) 18:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Are you sure
[edit]"Are you sure that white means of European origin? Because there are many Arabs who look more European than Greeks."
- it's rather a precision, not a synonym. Azerty82 (talk) 19:54, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
It is inaccurate to say that remigration targets non-whites.
[edit]The Day of Revenge and arguably the land seizures in Zimbabwe show that remigration is a general nativist policy that may be promoted by any ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:6E00:1FF0:CF01:A0A5:67E4:1FF6:FE6D (talk) 10:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Remigration is not just some euro France political concept
[edit]Remigration is not a word invented by a French communist newspaper. This article is ridiculous. Remigration is defined in several dictionaries but you use a newspaper to define it. This is a word with a vast history(i.e a people remigrating back to their country after war) not a new political concept. Here is a definition. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remigration. I move toward writing the introduction with the actual definition and then mentioning it as political concept. This will allow the article to be expanded overtime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.52.89.222 (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Remigration on Wiktionary uses the prevailing definition per Webster's as well. At this point, linking to that entry instead of this article seems preferable. --NFSreloaded (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not going to lie this is the first time I've ever heard of repatriation as a far-right Ideology. This article confuses Remigration and repatriation with some Right wing ideology. Its either that the article needs to be rewritten or the page needs to get moved to something like Remigration (Far-Right Ideology) or Remigration (Right-wing Ideology). The Article title is extremely misleading and I actually find it amusing. Zyxrq (talk) 19:47, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Add that the word as it makes no sense, and may just be a fancy word for something else
[edit]"Remigration" as a word makes no sense, as the "re" prefix claims that that following word would be done again, which in the context of what the word means in practice is not the case, suggesting that the word is just a fancy, irrational creation, for an existing word, which words would you suggest would that be? I suggest that the mentioned context should be added to the article, including the word, which actually hides behind the artifical creation. Forsen1337 (talk) 12:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Sociology of immigration
[edit]The terminus is used in the sociology of immigration for pehomenons in the transnational and internal migration.
- Russell King: Return Migration and Regional Economic Problems. Croom Helm, London 1986, ISBN 0-7099-1578-0
- Russell King, Katie Kuschminder (editors): Handbook of return migration. Edward Elgar Publishing, Cheltenham 2022, ISBN 978-1-83910-004-8.
Interesting might also be the remigration of surviving German refugees (jews, political dissiedents and artists from US/UK to Gemany/Austria after WW2). 5glogger (talk) 17:35, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Political bias, opinion rather than fact
[edit]This article is clearly heavily politically biased, and uses inflammatory and partisan language. It's also current political comment rather than a useful artifact; c.f. Wictionary's own definition at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/remigration, and countless other dictionaries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.189.168.31 (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Claiming that remigration is somehow an extreme right-wing idea is just wrong. It would perhaps be correct to say that support for unlimited migration and refusal to deport illegal immigrants are extreme left-wing ideas. The current English language article reflects this political bias.
- Speaking as a European, there are two groups that are commonly discussed under the term "remigration":
- - Illegal immigrants. If someone is illegally here, they need to be deported. That's obvious, and shouldn't be controversial at all. However, many governments have lacked the political will to actually enforce their own immigration laws.
- - Immigrants who fail to assimilate. This is more controversial, but consider: If someone is allowed to immigrate, but (after a suitable amount of time) refuses to learn the local language and refuses to accept the local culture? Why should they be allowed to stay? European nations do not claim to be (or want to be) "melting pots". Anyway, unassimilated immigrants are refusing to "melt". 147.86.175.63 (talk) 12:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Connections with other articles
[edit]"Repatriation" is shown as a bold synonym in the lead, yet there is a separate article titled Repatriation. Maybe the term should be introduced in quotes instead of bold, along with an explanation of what the term usually means and a link to the other article. Consider adding this article to Repatriation (disambiguation) as well. Jruderman (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
It might make sense to link to Opposition to immigration somewhere. Jruderman (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to show Template:Discrimination_sidebar and add a link in the sidebar-template to this article. Both Ethnic cleansing and Opposition to immigration use the sidebar, so it seems within scope. I'm not sure what the procedure is for determining which articles get listed in a sidebar. Jruderman (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Error in the page. Remigration meaning can't be boiled down to "far-right" stamp
[edit]I think there is an error in the page. remigration defintion: The meaning of REMIGRATION is the act of migrating again; especially : the act of returning to one's original or previous home after a migration. To conclude that this concept is in all aspects "far-right" is the same as saying that globalism or multiculturalism is "far-left". Neither of these are correct or helpful, or factual. Thank you a lot, I will proceed further with this matter in case it is not revised or seriously looked at. If this is not removed, then it seems only natural that globalism and multiculturalism be revised as far-left "concepts" as well. Best regards, DK2828 (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:RGW and WP:THETRUTH and WP:POINT. Polygnotus (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- The claim is sourced to 2 books, one by A. James McAdams and one by John Feffer. Which of those books do you disagree with? Which specific quotes? Why? Can you make a list of the WP:RELIABLE sources that support that view? Polygnotus (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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