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== QSO/DXpedition and WP:UNDUE == |
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== Norwegian scientists starving to death in 1974??? == |
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{{ping|Legacypac}} I removed a section on visits by radio amateurs because |
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The article currently incorporates this bit of information: |
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* There isn't an independent source mentioning the expeditions in the article cited in the source. |
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''After the tragedy of five Norwegian Scientists who starved to death due to a lack of food-supply in 1974...'' |
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* The expeditions have drawn little or no attention outside the world of amateur radio aficionado's |
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* The section was written in jargon. QSO sounds impressive, but it denotes little more than a chat over the radio. |
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* except for QSO's (that is, an "amateur radio contact") nothing of any importance is actually added to the knowledge about the island. |
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* except for the fact that it is "the remotest island", radio amateurs have no interest whatsoever in the island. |
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Hence I removed it as a [[WP:UNDUE]] and b [[WP:FANCRUFT]]. A section on the expeditions would be [[WP:DUE]] in the [[DXpedition]] page, but not (in it's tabular form) here. As to "this is one of the few reasons anyone cares about the island." I think ornithologists worldwide would ''strongly'' disagree. I would support a brief mention of the expeditions (with a link to DXpedition), but not a table with the number of radio contacts. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 12:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:I support the removal. I had considered removing it myself. It's just not a good fit, in a glaringly bad way (some of the worst content on WP has been written by amateurs). [[User:Dawnseeker2000|<span style="font-variant: small-caps">''Dawnseeker2000''</span>]] 12:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC) |
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I am Norwegian, and I have never heard of this before. This does not, of course, mean that it didn't happen. But I am very surprised to hear that something like this has happened and I have never heard about it - and that it seems impossible to find any further info about it on the net either. If someone have a source for the factuality of this event, please give it. Until then, I am deleting the sentence. --[[User:Barend|Barend]] 13:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::And I restored it because HAM activity is one of the only reasons people visit this rock, making a significant percentage of all human visits ever. The reason is because it is a "country" or entity on the HAM list. I'm not a HAM but I keep up on obscure places. Feel free to trim (though it is hardly hurting anyone given the low amount of available content about Bouvit) but do not remove. If youbwant to trim fancruft tables try the beauty pageant pages. Also I was thanked for my restore. If you want to list more scientific expedition content, please add it. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 15:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:::You answered ''not a single one'' of the concerns raised above (sources?), you merely claim "significant percentage of all human visits ever" w/o actually citing a source that states that. If you are concerned about pageant pages, turn your attention there. I will trim. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 09:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Volcanic Eruption == |
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::I haven't heard about this either, and being interested in Norwegian polar history that makes me sceptical. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] 13:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC) |
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No mention of this erruption in 2012? Article says Inactive Volcano...Visible on the Desktop version of google chrome. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.241.239.221|72.241.239.221]] ([[User talk:72.241.239.221#top|talk]]) 23:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::: I have tried to Google this info, using norwegian words (such an event would probably be in norwegian news). Found only one source, a copy of German Wikipedia. German Wikipedia has removed this info. |
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== Coordinate is not show == |
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:::::This comment added with sig and timestamp to facilitate archiving. - -[[User:MrBill3|MrBill3]] ([[User talk:MrBill3|talk]]) 18:55, 26 October 2013 (UTC) |
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In this article there is a <nowiki>{{Coord|54|25|S|3|22|E|type:isle_region:BV|display=title,inline}}</nowiki>, but not show in article, neither title nor inline. [[User:GUT412454|GUT412454]] ([[User talk:GUT412454|talk]]) 03:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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== Fiction section == |
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:It looks like maybe the coordinates parameter for that infobox may not be working? I'm not sure but I moved it out of the template so it would at least be displayed at the top. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 03:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC) |
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==flightless birds/remoteness== |
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The Fiction section was very informative. It was there until removed on May 12, 2012. No explanation was given or no discussion on the talk page was initiated (that I am aware of). Why was it deleted? I have recovered that section and it is now again in the current article. On a personal note, I found that section very interesting as it helped me found literature where the island was depicted. ([[User talk:Al83tito|talk]]) [[user:Al83tito|user:Al83tito]] 17:40, 22 June 2013 |
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Does anyone have any scientific literature on how penguins got so far out to this speck of an island? That's a very long swim. Even with the probabilities of chance migration I am awed by this. Any sources? [[Special:Contributions/2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F]] ([[User talk:2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|talk]]) 14:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== age of the island? == |
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It doesn't make sense for the infobox to be for a country. I propose changing it to a the island type - as I've done for [[Gough Island]]. Harsh but fair 08:40, 23 February 2014 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pingu7931|Pingu7931]] ([[User talk:Pingu7931|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pingu7931|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Has no geologist made at least a formal speculation? [[Special:Contributions/2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F]] ([[User talk:2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|talk]]) 15:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC) |
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== New research station == |
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It looks like a previous research station was lost due to shore erosion and storms around 2007. |
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A new station was put up in between December 2012 (new station consecrated in Norway) and February 2014 (article published). |
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http://www.nrk.no/norge/ny-_ekstremstasjon_-pa-bouvetoya-1.11525409 |
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No idea if there are other language reports but the Google translate to English sort of makes sense. |
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There may be interesting info that can be added, I am not going to do this one. It looks like there is accommodation for scientists for some months at a time, sort of like a summer cottage. |
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Found another link with an interesting mystery. |
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http://allkindsofhistory.wordpress.com/2011/02/13/an-abandoned-lifeboat-at-worlds-end/ |
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Also check |
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http://wikitravel.org/en/Bouvet_Island |
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[[User:Idyllic press|Idyllic press]] ([[User talk:Idyllic press|talk]]) 20:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC) |
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== found blog post with maps == |
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i just stumbled across a blog post from back in february of this year about bouvet island. |
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[http://www.codex99.com/cartography/the-last-place-on-earth.html] |
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there are some really beautiful old (and more recent) maps of the island. |
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that's basically it. just wanted to share. |
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∈[[User:Sensorsweep|sensorsweep]] 04:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC) |
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QSO/DXpedition and WP:UNDUE
[edit]@Legacypac: I removed a section on visits by radio amateurs because
- There isn't an independent source mentioning the expeditions in the article cited in the source.
- The expeditions have drawn little or no attention outside the world of amateur radio aficionado's
- The section was written in jargon. QSO sounds impressive, but it denotes little more than a chat over the radio.
- except for QSO's (that is, an "amateur radio contact") nothing of any importance is actually added to the knowledge about the island.
- except for the fact that it is "the remotest island", radio amateurs have no interest whatsoever in the island.
Hence I removed it as a WP:UNDUE and b WP:FANCRUFT. A section on the expeditions would be WP:DUE in the DXpedition page, but not (in it's tabular form) here. As to "this is one of the few reasons anyone cares about the island." I think ornithologists worldwide would strongly disagree. I would support a brief mention of the expeditions (with a link to DXpedition), but not a table with the number of radio contacts. Kleuske (talk) 12:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- I support the removal. I had considered removing it myself. It's just not a good fit, in a glaringly bad way (some of the worst content on WP has been written by amateurs). Dawnseeker2000 12:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- And I restored it because HAM activity is one of the only reasons people visit this rock, making a significant percentage of all human visits ever. The reason is because it is a "country" or entity on the HAM list. I'm not a HAM but I keep up on obscure places. Feel free to trim (though it is hardly hurting anyone given the low amount of available content about Bouvit) but do not remove. If youbwant to trim fancruft tables try the beauty pageant pages. Also I was thanked for my restore. If you want to list more scientific expedition content, please add it. Legacypac (talk) 15:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- You answered not a single one of the concerns raised above (sources?), you merely claim "significant percentage of all human visits ever" w/o actually citing a source that states that. If you are concerned about pageant pages, turn your attention there. I will trim. Kleuske (talk) 09:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- And I restored it because HAM activity is one of the only reasons people visit this rock, making a significant percentage of all human visits ever. The reason is because it is a "country" or entity on the HAM list. I'm not a HAM but I keep up on obscure places. Feel free to trim (though it is hardly hurting anyone given the low amount of available content about Bouvit) but do not remove. If youbwant to trim fancruft tables try the beauty pageant pages. Also I was thanked for my restore. If you want to list more scientific expedition content, please add it. Legacypac (talk) 15:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Volcanic Eruption
[edit]No mention of this erruption in 2012? Article says Inactive Volcano...Visible on the Desktop version of google chrome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.239.221 (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Coordinate is not show
[edit]In this article there is a {{Coord|54|25|S|3|22|E|type:isle_region:BV|display=title,inline}}, but not show in article, neither title nor inline. GUT412454 (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like maybe the coordinates parameter for that infobox may not be working? I'm not sure but I moved it out of the template so it would at least be displayed at the top. - Aoidh (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
flightless birds/remoteness
[edit]Does anyone have any scientific literature on how penguins got so far out to this speck of an island? That's a very long swim. Even with the probabilities of chance migration I am awed by this. Any sources? 2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F (talk) 14:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
age of the island?
[edit]Has no geologist made at least a formal speculation? 2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F (talk) 15:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
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