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== Color photo in 1898 ==
== QSO/DXpedition and WP:UNDUE ==
There is clearly wrong year under the photo.


{{ping|Legacypac}} I removed a section on visits by radio amateurs because
== daylight saving time ==
* There isn't an independent source mentioning the expeditions in the article cited in the source.
* The expeditions have drawn little or no attention outside the world of amateur radio aficionado's
* The section was written in jargon. QSO sounds impressive, but it denotes little more than a chat over the radio.
* except for QSO's (that is, an "amateur radio contact") nothing of any importance is actually added to the knowledge about the island.
* except for the fact that it is "the remotest island", radio amateurs have no interest whatsoever in the island.
Hence I removed it as a [[WP:UNDUE]] and b [[WP:FANCRUFT]]. A section on the expeditions would be [[WP:DUE]] in the [[DXpedition]] page, but not (in it's tabular form) here. As to "this is one of the few reasons anyone cares about the island." I think ornithologists worldwide would ''strongly'' disagree. I would support a brief mention of the expeditions (with a link to DXpedition), but not a table with the number of radio contacts. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 12:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


:I support the removal. I had considered removing it myself. It's just not a good fit, in a glaringly bad way (some of the worst content on WP has been written by amateurs). [[User:Dawnseeker2000|<span style="font-variant: small-caps">''Dawnseeker2000''</span>]] 12:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Does Bouvet Island observe daylight saving time?
::And I restored it because HAM activity is one of the only reasons people visit this rock, making a significant percentage of all human visits ever. The reason is because it is a "country" or entity on the HAM list. I'm not a HAM but I keep up on obscure places. Feel free to trim (though it is hardly hurting anyone given the low amount of available content about Bouvit) but do not remove. If youbwant to trim fancruft tables try the beauty pageant pages. Also I was thanked for my restore. If you want to list more scientific expedition content, please add it. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 15:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
:::You answered ''not a single one'' of the concerns raised above (sources?), you merely claim "significant percentage of all human visits ever" w/o actually citing a source that states that. If you are concerned about pageant pages, turn your attention there. I will trim. [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 09:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


== Volcanic Eruption ==
--[[User:Chochopk|Chochopk]] 08:36, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


No mention of this erruption in 2012? Article says Inactive Volcano...Visible on the Desktop version of google chrome. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.241.239.221|72.241.239.221]] ([[User talk:72.241.239.221#top|talk]]) 23:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:It is uninhabited. There is no permanent human settlement on that island, so I think the point is moot. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:38, September 5, 2005 (UTC)


== Coordinate is not show ==
::Which timezone? Now both UTC+1 och Saint-Helena timezone (which is UTC without daylight saving time) are written in the article. Since there are no permanent nor any temporary (e.g. research station) human settlement on that island, maybe there is no defined time zone. The CIA factbook gives no time zone --[[User:BIL|BIL]] 18:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC).


In this article there is a <nowiki>{{Coord|54|25|S|3|22|E|type:isle_region:BV|display=title,inline}}</nowiki>, but not show in article, neither title nor inline. [[User:GUT412454|GUT412454]] ([[User talk:GUT412454|talk]]) 03:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
::: My pure guess is that Norwegian timezone is valid, since noone has cared to have a sprecial law for the island, that is UTC+1 in the southern summer, and UTC+2 in the southern winter (reverse summer time!). -- [[User:BIL|BIL]] 19:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:It looks like maybe the coordinates parameter for that infobox may not be working? I'm not sure but I moved it out of the template so it would at least be displayed at the top. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 03:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


==flightless birds/remoteness==
== Flag ==
Does anyone have any scientific literature on how penguins got so far out to this speck of an island? That's a very long swim. Even with the probabilities of chance migration I am awed by this. Any sources? [[Special:Contributions/2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F]] ([[User talk:2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|talk]]) 14:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


== age of the island? ==
I am deleting the flag. If anyone can show that this flag has ever been used in any situation remotely connected to Bouvet island, it might be appropriate. But the island is uninhabited, and has always been so, and has no official flag. ([[User:Barend|Barend]] 15:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC))


Has no geologist made at least a formal speculation? [[Special:Contributions/2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F]] ([[User talk:2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F|talk]]) 15:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
:Perhaps the Norwegian flag would be appropriate? As it stands, the infobox is missing something. -- [[User:Egil|Egil]] 17:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, the Norwegian flag is the correct one for Bouvet Island.[[User:Inge|Inge]] 18:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Then explain this: http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/bouvet_island.htm -- <span style="border: 2px solid #ba0000;"> [[User:Denelson83|Denelson]][[User talk:Denelson83|'''83''']] </span> 07:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
::::What's there to explain? The link you gave shows the Norwegian flag, and an alternate labelled as "unofficial and very doubtfull" [sic]. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 08:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:I have looked and have yet to find a law or regulation about flag usage for Bouvet Island. If there is any, my guess is that one should use the Norwegian flag, but as I said I have no basis to claim that. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] 13:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Standards ==

Is this appropriate to the standards of WP : "there is no whale station there, but who cares?" . Isn't there a policy about jokes? Not that it matters, but...--[[User:Bdamokos|Dami]] 21:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Norwegian scientists starving to death in 1974???==
The article currently incorporates this bit of information:
''After the tragedy of five Norwegian Scientists who starved to death due to a lack of food-supply in 1974...''

I am Norwegian, and I have never heard of this before. This does not, of course, mean that it didn't happen. But I am very surprised to hear that something like this has happened and I have never heard about it - and that it seems impossible to find any further info about it on the net either. If someone have a source for the factuality of this event, please give it. Until then, I am deleting the sentence. --[[User:Barend|Barend]] 13:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

::I haven't heard about this either, and being interested in Norwegian polar history that makes me sceptical. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] 13:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

::: I have tried to Google this info, using norwegian words (such an event would probably be in norwegian news). Found only one source, a copy of German Wikipedia. German Wikipedia has removed this info.
==Norwegian claim==
How does Norway maintain its claim to an island which is effectively useless except for fishing rights? Do they maintain any naval protection?

Also, some climatic info would be useful, it sounds like frozen hell on Earth.--[[User:MacRusgail|MacRusgail]] 19:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

:Bouvetøya is a [[Norway|Norwegian]] [[Dependent territory#Norway|dependency]] ("biland" in Norwegian) by law ([http://www.lovdata.no/all/nl-19300227-003.html]), so no regular action is required to "maintain its claim". Quite the opposite, it would require an act of parliament to release it from Norwegian sovereignty. I see no reason to to that though, and as far as I'm aware there have been no competing claims other than the [[United Kingdom|British]]. It was dropped around the time Norway annexed the island as part of a larger understanding which saw [[Sverdrup Islands]] go to [[Canada]]. There is no permanent naval presence in the area, but coast guard vessels have been used on expeditions in the [[Atlantic Ocean|South Atlantic]] and [[Southern Ocean]]s ([http://www.mil.no/sjo/kv/start/article.jhtml?articleID=99154]). Norway has not established an [[Exclusive Economic Zone|EEZ]] around Bouvetøya, so it has no responsibility to maintain a coast guard presence as I understand it. I don't know if the data from the automated weather station is available online. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] 18:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)I

Why did the British just surrender the island because Norway wanted it? If Canada wanted Sverdup Islands then that was between Canda and Norway and nothing to do with us. Why should we have to suffer just so Canada can go on an imperial land grabbing spree! We had Bouvet Island first and as far as I'm concerned it rightfully belongs to us! Hand it back seriously. [[User:YourPTR!|YourPTR!]] 18:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

:You have to remember that this happened in 1928, when the United Kingdom and Canada had closer governmental ties than they have today. Newfoundland, for example, was a separate British dominion and the [[Statute of Westminster 1931]] was still a couple of years off. In fact, it was only as late as 1982 that the requirement for the British Parliament to approve changes to the Constitution of Canada was removed. That you disagree with the decision the British government made really isn't a subject for a Wikipedia article. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] 17:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Continent? ==

Wich continent is the Bouvet Island a part of? --?.[[User:Lordbecket|<small>'''<span style="background:Black;color:Yellow"> &nbsp;The great Darren shan fan&nbsp;</span>'''</small>]] 13:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

:That is a good question. It lies on the [[Mid-Atlantic Ridge]]. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] <sup>[[User_talk:Nidator|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Nidator|C]]</sup> 13:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

==''Sub''antarctic?==
The article says the island is [[subantarctic]], but that article defines the boundary between Antarctic and Subantarctic as the [[Antarctic Convergence]], which in turn lists Bouvet as being south of the convergence, and thus an antarctic island, surely? -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 21:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, that is one definition, based on climate. In the ''Antarctic Treaty System'' it is defined as south of the 60°S parallel. I suppose you could reason either way, but over-all I think it makes sense to continue with sub-Antarctic. Perhaps peri-Antarctic might be a compromise? -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] <sup>[[User_talk:Nidator|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Nidator|C]]</sup> 08:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

::"peri-Antarctic" seems nitpicky. If our [[subantarctic]] article was updated with this alternative definition, I'd be quite happy. -- [[User:Finlay McWalter|Finlay McWalter]] | [[User talk:Finlay McWalter|Talk]] 12:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Nelson Stump and the Stumptones? ==

I'm reverting a change that added the following to "...in fiction":

:Nelson Stump (and his band The Stumptones) have left Key West, FL, USA and are headed dead reckoning for Bouvet. Quoting Nelson: "We're chunked down in the Sargasso Sea (5/2/08) but we'll get there. We're gonna do "Iceberg Songs" and we don't care if you like them or not. The band is fiesty. The floggings will continue until morale improves."

Maybe it wasn't graffiti, but I'd guess that's the way to bet... [[User:McGehee|McGehee]] ([[User talk:McGehee|talk]]) 20:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Political status ==
What is the political status of the island? Is it a real dependency or just an integral part of Norway like [[Jan Mayen]]? [[User:Joaopais|<font color="228B22 ">Joao</font>]][[User talk:Joaopais|<font color="FF8C00">pais</font>]] 17:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:It is a dependency, not an integral part of Norway.--[[User:BIL|BIL]] ([[User talk:BIL|talk]]) 11:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

== still uninhabited? ==

I am not a usual WP editor, but noticed that the organization Peace x Peace (www.peacexpeace.og) lists two members on Bouvet Island. See their page http://www.peacexpeace.org/circles/ and if you hover over the purple "pin" well south of Africa. Curious I flipped to the WP entry about Bouvet Island and the contradiction stood out. [[Special:Contributions/68.15.37.222|68.15.37.222]] ([[User talk:68.15.37.222|talk]]) 02:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)14 Nov 08, Aluckste

:The island is uninhabited. In fact, as the article says, even the (not permanently manned) research station was blown to sea last year. I think this is just an attempt at being funny. -- [[User:Nidator|Nidator]] <sup>[[User_talk:Nidator|T]] / [[Special:Contributions/Nidator|C]]</sup> 10:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:18, 7 October 2024

QSO/DXpedition and WP:UNDUE

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@Legacypac: I removed a section on visits by radio amateurs because

  • There isn't an independent source mentioning the expeditions in the article cited in the source.
  • The expeditions have drawn little or no attention outside the world of amateur radio aficionado's
  • The section was written in jargon. QSO sounds impressive, but it denotes little more than a chat over the radio.
  • except for QSO's (that is, an "amateur radio contact") nothing of any importance is actually added to the knowledge about the island.
  • except for the fact that it is "the remotest island", radio amateurs have no interest whatsoever in the island.

Hence I removed it as a WP:UNDUE and b WP:FANCRUFT. A section on the expeditions would be WP:DUE in the DXpedition page, but not (in it's tabular form) here. As to "this is one of the few reasons anyone cares about the island." I think ornithologists worldwide would strongly disagree. I would support a brief mention of the expeditions (with a link to DXpedition), but not a table with the number of radio contacts. Kleuske (talk) 12:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I support the removal. I had considered removing it myself. It's just not a good fit, in a glaringly bad way (some of the worst content on WP has been written by amateurs). Dawnseeker2000 12:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And I restored it because HAM activity is one of the only reasons people visit this rock, making a significant percentage of all human visits ever. The reason is because it is a "country" or entity on the HAM list. I'm not a HAM but I keep up on obscure places. Feel free to trim (though it is hardly hurting anyone given the low amount of available content about Bouvit) but do not remove. If youbwant to trim fancruft tables try the beauty pageant pages. Also I was thanked for my restore. If you want to list more scientific expedition content, please add it. Legacypac (talk) 15:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You answered not a single one of the concerns raised above (sources?), you merely claim "significant percentage of all human visits ever" w/o actually citing a source that states that. If you are concerned about pageant pages, turn your attention there. I will trim. Kleuske (talk) 09:10, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Volcanic Eruption

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No mention of this erruption in 2012? Article says Inactive Volcano...Visible on the Desktop version of google chrome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.239.221 (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinate is not show

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In this article there is a {{Coord|54|25|S|3|22|E|type:isle_region:BV|display=title,inline}}, but not show in article, neither title nor inline. GUT412454 (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like maybe the coordinates parameter for that infobox may not be working? I'm not sure but I moved it out of the template so it would at least be displayed at the top. - Aoidh (talk) 03:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

flightless birds/remoteness

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Does anyone have any scientific literature on how penguins got so far out to this speck of an island? That's a very long swim. Even with the probabilities of chance migration I am awed by this. Any sources? 2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F (talk) 14:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

age of the island?

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Has no geologist made at least a formal speculation? 2603:6080:2103:3FA2:2512:3CAB:81E6:D86F (talk) 15:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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