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== Text of USA Section ==

The text of [[Special:PermanentLink/700398184|2016-01-18T07:44:01]] seems to offer the best overall summary. The text introduced in [[Special:PermanentLink/944941118|2020-03-10T20:54:28]] is not really about the United States specifically and in fact was cut-and-pasted from the general "Background" section. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jsnx|Jsnx]] ([[User talk:Jsnx#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jsnx|contribs]]) 23:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Self Defence sprays ==
== Self Defence sprays ==
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== Move backgroun to UK/US section ==
== This article needs to be renamed as "Constitutional right to keep and bear arms" to avoid it being just a repeat of a laundry list of world gun laws ==


The background part made sense years ago when the whole article was UK/US specific. In the current form it however doesn't make much sense (especially as Czech Wenceslaus Agreement of 1517 precedes the Bill of Rights of 1689 by more than a century and half). How about moving the background information to UK/US section? Or rewriting the background into "history" that would cover more than just UK/US? [[User:Cimmerian praetor|Cimmerian praetor]] ([[User talk:Cimmerian praetor|talk]]) 10:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Here we go again. [[Right to keep and bear arms]] has been co-opted by Cimmerian Praetor in his new guise as Abatementyogin and made into yet another copy of [[Overview of gun laws by nation]]. The point of the article is what countries have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, not just to repeat a review of gun laws by nation. Is anyone interested in making sure this article is about constitutional right to keep and bear arms? The current state of the article is just stupid duplication of [[Overview of gun laws by nation]]. [[Special:Contributions/99.236.244.35|99.236.244.35]] ([[User talk:99.236.244.35|talk]])


:I came here to ask about exactly this. I will go ahead and make the suggested change unless someone registers their objection here in the next couple of weeks (since people have already had a year to respond to the above comment and have not done so). [[User:LastDodo|LastDodo]] ([[User talk:LastDodo|talk]]) 11:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
== UK ==


== weak sources ==
"Since the passing of gun control laws, the UK has one of the lowest firearm death rates among developed nations, with 0.2 deaths per 100,000, compared to 10.2 in the U.S."


I find the sourcing to be very weak, including from the [[NRA]] and the [[Gun Owners of America|GOA]] in the lead, among other glaring problems, such as the dubious interpretation/extrapolation of British common law, and Czech rules. the article was created 21 years ago and appears to be in a state of neglect. even the title kinda suggests a POV agenda.
This sentence implies that the gun control laws are the reason firearm death rates are low in UK. And since US is known for its high firearm ownership, this also implies that high firearm death rates in US are caused by high firearm ownership. The source cited does not support these implications. I do not have the historical firearm death rates data, but I do have the [[List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade|historical intentional homicide rate data]]. And this data shows that ''US has always had much higher homicide rates than UK (England and Wales to be precise), even when both of these countries had absolutely no gun control laws''. Additionally the homicide rate in UK is very steady, most of the time it stays in the 0.8-1.2 range and there is no visible decrease when further restrictions on gun ownership are placed. (For charts visualizing this, search for "England historical homicide rates" in Google Images.) Therefore I consider this sentence misleading and believe it should be removed. [[Special:Contributions/192.198.151.43|192.198.151.43]] ([[User talk:192.198.151.43|talk]]) 13:28, 17 July 2019 (UTC)


in coming days, I plan to tag weak sources in the hope they can be improved to ensure this controversial topic is adequately supported by solid sources. I think the article should be formally designated as [[WP:CTOP]].
== UK (England) Bill of Rights ==


if significant improvement is not made, the article might reasonably be considered as a candidate for deletion. that might ignite a firestorm of protest, so I hope some better sourcing might preclude such a development. [[User:Soibangla|soibangla]] ([[User talk:Soibangla|talk]]) 02:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
As far as I can make out, the provision in the English Bill of Rights (1688/89) declaring the right of Protestant subjects to bear arms is still in force, so it seems odd for the current article to state simply that there is no constitutional or legal protection for the right to bear arms. Of course, like any Statute the 1688/9 Act could be repealed or amended, but as far as I can see the 'arms' provision has not been amended. Of course, it was always a limited provision, since it qualifies the 'right' by the words '... Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law'. Presumably the various laws regulating the possession and use of arms are considered to fall within the phrase 'as allowed by law'.[[Special:Contributions/109.150.6.148|109.150.6.148]] ([[User talk:109.150.6.148|talk]]) 20:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 11:33, 23 September 2024


Text of USA Section

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The text of 2016-01-18T07:44:01 seems to offer the best overall summary. The text introduced in 2020-03-10T20:54:28 is not really about the United States specifically and in fact was cut-and-pasted from the general "Background" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsnx (talk • contribs) 23:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Self Defence sprays

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I wrote that A person can legally take martial arts classes in the UK to defend themselves as well as carrying self defence sprays such as Farbgel and StoppaRed UV sprays. I put this in the article because I feel that it belongs there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.82.16.223 (talk • contribs) 06:15, 29 June 2014‎


Move backgroun to UK/US section

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The background part made sense years ago when the whole article was UK/US specific. In the current form it however doesn't make much sense (especially as Czech Wenceslaus Agreement of 1517 precedes the Bill of Rights of 1689 by more than a century and half). How about moving the background information to UK/US section? Or rewriting the background into "history" that would cover more than just UK/US? Cimmerian praetor (talk) 10:44, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I came here to ask about exactly this. I will go ahead and make the suggested change unless someone registers their objection here in the next couple of weeks (since people have already had a year to respond to the above comment and have not done so). LastDodo (talk) 11:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

weak sources

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I find the sourcing to be very weak, including from the NRA and the GOA in the lead, among other glaring problems, such as the dubious interpretation/extrapolation of British common law, and Czech rules. the article was created 21 years ago and appears to be in a state of neglect. even the title kinda suggests a POV agenda.

in coming days, I plan to tag weak sources in the hope they can be improved to ensure this controversial topic is adequately supported by solid sources. I think the article should be formally designated as WP:CTOP.

if significant improvement is not made, the article might reasonably be considered as a candidate for deletion. that might ignite a firestorm of protest, so I hope some better sourcing might preclude such a development. soibangla (talk) 02:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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