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Do other editors agree that both issues have been adequately addressed at this point in the revision? --Moonlight2001 (talk) 01:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article name uses singular, Koran only plural

... so is the singular form OK? Considering it is, I adapted the intro to reflect this, but is it? Arminden (talk) 15:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing use of what seems to be the singular, see section on hadith: "descriptions of houri (or ḥūr)". If indeed the singular form, shouldn't it read "a houri" or "the houri", so with an English article? It stinks of "insider stuff", implying that either you speak koranic Arabic or you're the sucker and can be ignored. We're on enWiki here. Arminden (talk) 16:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have you resolved this now? Speaking of en.wiki, why the "Koran" speak? This hasn't been a common spelling in English since the 1980s. Surely better to use standard spellings in questions? Iskandar323 (talk) 22:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Koran quotations

The Koran "quotations": all the referenced source are only partially quoted in literal manner, all are reworded or paraphrased, so quotation marks seem to be misleading. Arminden (talk) 15:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Houri image

in the first image of houri on camels, does anyone know what the two on the right are wearing on their heads? does it have a specific name? 千晦子 (talk) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-==Terrorism==
-It is said that that terrorists are heavily influenced by this 72 virgin theory. It should be added.[[User:Ovsek|Ovsek]] ([[User talk:Ovsek|talk]]) 06:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
-[[not done]] it isnt actually true. They believe that they will get afterlife even though they kill muslims and others plus do haram deeds which means they are gonna go to hell  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/39.32.204.195|39.32.204.195]] ([[User talk:39.32.204.195#top|talk]]) 16:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-I'm in agreement with Ovsec. The only reason a non-Muslim would look this up is to find out if terrorists actually believe they will be rewarded with perfect virgins, which is emphasized by their handlers.  [[User:Lisa inCA|Lisa inCA]] ([[User talk:Lisa inCA|talk]]) 01:55, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
-== Suggested Revisions ==
-I have attempted to make the first few paragraphs of the article more neutral and objective. I feel this article is currently a mosh pit of [[Islamophobia|Anti-Islam]] and Muslim apologist editors, and hardly makes for unbiased reading. In my opinion, this article needs a thorough revision, along the lines of:
-Etymology & Origins
-Description & Number
-* Quran
-* Hadith & Commentators
-* Reference to 72 Virgins (I feel it fits better here)
-* Sexuality/ [3?] Carnal Knowledge in Paradise (the "Alternative Interpretations" section is overblown, could be summarized in one sentence)
-Views
-* Sunni View (this section definitely needs to be trimmed, the aim is not to present every available text on the topic)
-* Shiite View (probably needs to be expanded, doesn't fit under description)
-* Sufi view (I would love to see this one)
-* Western view
-* Misconceptions (needs shortening with more content, too apologetic)
-See Also
-References: notes and citations need to be fixed.
-* External links are mostly dead or irrelevant and should be removed entirely.
-Also:
-* Too much reliance is made on [[Ibn Kathir]].
-* Art of this genre would help complete the article (preferably one Middle Eastern and one Western depiction), but this seems to be oddly absent.
-I would love to hear other editors' perspectives in this regard, as I feel this would be too major a redo to go ahead without consultation across the board.
-[[User:Moonlight2001|Moonlight2001]] ([[User talk:Moonlight2001|talk]]) 22:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
-Can you please remove all references relating to IslamQA as well? It has clearly been declared an unreliable source on WP:RS
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-:{{u|Moonlight2001}} I would support the above proposal, providing the widely conflicting positions on Virgins / Raisins / Grapes / Pleasures etc by the writers of Hadiths, Tafsirs, Islamic scholars etc is acknowledged. Positions should be succinct summaries - not long and complex essays or massive {quotes}.  This NPOV re-balancing should be more than just some PC tweaking.   Refer also to the unresolved issues raised above at 12.  ''The promise of Houri in motivating martyrdom''.
-:It is reported that a [[9/11]] attacker, Nawaf Al-Hazmi, had been given the houri-virgins promise.  This concern, across the world, can not be written off as just anti-Islam bias.
-:Refer:
-:https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5
-:https://www.memri.org/reports/72-black-eyed-virgins-muslim-debate-rewards-martyrs
-: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/10053/will-men-in-paradise-have-intercourse-with-al-hoor-aliyn   (246,505 views)  [[User:Koreangauteng|Koreangauteng]] ([[User talk:Koreangauteng|talk]])
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 :Confusing use of what seems to be the singular, see section on hadith: "descriptions of houri (or ḥūr)". If indeed the singular form, shouldn't it read "a houri" or "the houri", so with an English article? It stinks of "insider stuff", implying that either you speak koranic Arabic or you're the sucker and can be ignored. We're on enWiki here. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 16:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
+::Have you resolved this now? Speaking of en.wiki, why the "Koran" speak? This hasn't been a common spelling in English since the 1980s. Surely better to use standard spellings in questions? [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323|talk]]) 22:45, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 ==Koran quotations==
 The Koran "quotations": all the referenced source are only partially quoted in literal manner, all are reworded or paraphrased, so quotation marks seem to be misleading. [[User:Arminden|Arminden]] ([[User talk:Arminden|talk]]) 15:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
+== Houri image ==
+in the first image of houri on camels, does anyone know what the two on the right are wearing on their heads? does it have a specific name? [[User:千晦子|千晦子]] ([[User talk:千晦子|talk]]) 14:27, 5 September 2024 (UTC)