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== Subterranean Chamber ==
Two of the article's details seem contradictory, or at least the combination seems highly improbable. If bedrock starts at 45 meters below the surface, then folks from the 18th century would have found it staggeringly difficult to construct a "subterranean chamber" at a depth of 60 meters below the surface. [[User:Catsmoke|Catsmoke]] ([[User talk:Catsmoke|talk]]) 14:06, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

:The depth of the bedrock under the island is not uniform. The highest bedrock point is at 45m. But not all bedrock is at 45m. [[Special:Contributions/12.12.144.130|12.12.144.130]] ([[User talk:12.12.144.130|talk]]) 18:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

==History Channel==
How reliable is the History Channel's coverage? I understand that they over-dramatize it, but there are several discoveries being made. Would news coverage of any findings count? Its a frustrating truth that there is a substantial lack of any real scientific research into treasure-hunting. [[User:DaltonCastle|DaltonCastle]] ([[User talk:DaltonCastle|talk]]) 22:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
: I don't see why it wouldn't count if there is video footage of the discovery itself. Not sure if those things count as original research or not. [[User:Oak Island Kid|Oak Island Kid]] ([[User talk:Oak Island Kid|talk]]) 02:18, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{reply to | DaltonCastle | Oak Island Kid}} It is definitely a situational source. It would be great if there was a quote that's truly indispensibly notable, or that truly illustrates or characterizes the article's substantiated material. Maybe if they give a quote about how difficult life is there, how dangerous the work is, or citing some obscure factoid like how many people have died there. Or to cite that a depiction or reenactment of a particular site or event that's already reliably described in the article. That would basically give a living record of what has always been reliably established through history because we never had copious live footage before. So in other words, I can safely say offhand that we can cite ancillary information there, and I don't know what else. I'm still in the first season of the show. — <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Smuckola|Smuckola]][[User talk:Smuckola|(talk)]]</span> 08:49, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:{{reply to | DaltonCastle | Oak Island Kid}} Okay I finished watching the whole series to date. As for me personally, this is the only example I could find of a meaningful original spoken quotation: <code>S02E01 0:07:51 Regarding the authentication of this coin, he made the figurative observation, "Do you remember, Charles, the statement of 'a 1000 piece puzzle with 400 pieces missing'? Now there's only 399."</code>. That illustrates their perspective on the multidisciplinary difficulty of the job, and the extreme extent of their actual efforts and dedication. That is if it's given in the context of a brief summary of the nature of their efforts to date—just to scan, dive, and dredge a swamp in one corner of the island, just to find a single coin, and to consider this to be a milestone victory. Then they also cite two other famous quotes illustratively such as <code>S02E06 0:37:00 citing Edison's quote about the value of failure, about finding countless ways to fail</code> and then a similar later quote; so citing other people is not compelling. Actually, the text I've written here may be somewhat usable, if I was more familiar with the article's content. As for what exactly happened on the show that may be ''notably'' original, I dunno, I guess the life and legacy of Dan Blankenship would be intertwined with the long history of the island. He certainly does retell and relive it in the show to a degree that's worth a brief mention or update. I hope time will tell more! — <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Smuckola|Smuckola]][[User talk:Smuckola|(talk)]]</span> 10:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
::Dont mean to get off topic but the new episodes get pretty cool ha! But thank you for the clarification. [[User:DaltonCastle|DaltonCastle]] ([[User talk:DaltonCastle|talk]]) 19:26, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
:::{{Reply to|Smuckola|DaltonCastle}} do my links to the episodes on [[The Curse of Oak Island#Episodes]] help? My biggest concern is that they might violate some Wikipedia law and I don't know if they do or not, but I found [[Wikipedia:External links]] and personally see nothing there that would say they shouldn't exist. [[WP:ELYES]] #1 actually suggests they should be there as they are the official links to the shows. Is that okay or should I remove them? [[User:Oak Island Kid|Oak Island Kid]] ([[User talk:Oak Island Kid|talk]]) 05:37, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::::I think they are fine present there. [[User:DaltonCastle|DaltonCastle]] ([[User talk:DaltonCastle|talk]]) 23:24, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
::::{{Reply to|Smuckola|DaltonCastle}} Dear Kid. First, thanks for being so conscientious as to locate and review the policy, and to ask for feedback when it's not perfectly clear. When I saw you add those links, I checked the same thing because on Wikipedia, adding external links within an article body is usually done wrong. Kinda like pull quotes. I think this is the rare case where it's right, lol. It's so weird, I don't wanna believe it, but yeah—the material literally is the subject matter itself (not even just relevant or ancillary to), yet the video content cannot possibly be included here, but it doesn't link to copyright infringement (good guy history channel). — <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Smuckola|Smuckola]][[User talk:Smuckola|(talk)]]</span> 10:03, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

==Comment==
'...currently the subject of...' should be changed to '...the subject of a (months) 2015...' now (rather than waiting for someone putting a dates query 'some time hence'). [[User:Jackiespeel|Jackiespeel]] ([[User talk:Jackiespeel|talk]]) 10:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

== Jjsanchis ==

{{ping|Jjsanchis}} You have done amazing work on the article and I wanted to recognize that here for everyone. That research looks rather tough and extensive. Thank you very much and I am happy to help if I can, and I did by copy editing and formatting. I would like to call your attention to the <nowiki>{{clarify}}</nowiki> tag that I had to put on one indecipherable paragraph in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Island#Deciphering_the_90_foot_stone this section]. I read it a dozen times and I don't know what it means. Please rewrite that carefully with punctuation and grammar. Thank you very much and keep it up. Let me know if I can help. — <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Smuckola|Smuckola]][[User talk:Smuckola|(talk)]]</span> 10:37, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

{{ping|Smuckola}} thank you! it does takes a lot of time finding citations online. I'll try to finish the stone work when i have more time on the weekend, and work on a few more areas of interest. appreciate the review! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jjsanchis|Jjsanchis]] ([[User talk:Jjsanchis|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jjsanchis|contribs]]) 08:53, 25 November 2015 UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== The reference for naming the show is incorrect ==

The show takes its name from the local legend that Canadian folklorist Helen Creighton included in her book Folklore of Lunenburg County, Nova Scotia about how seven people must die before the treasure will be found.

There is no such mention in this publication of a curse associated with Oak Island.

In Chapter I, in the first paragraph, Oak Island is mentioned in passing, and then never again.

"From Yarmouth to Cape North, there is a succession of bay and inlets, but none of these could have been more tempting to a pirate than Mahone Bay with its 365 islands. one for every day of the year. Oak Island is the best known; it has attracted international interest and many thousands of dollars have been spent in excavations over a long period of years. The mystery of the man-made supports that were found under the ground has never been solved, but their presence stimulates the general belief in the reality of the buried treasure."

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:This is correct. The first mention I have been able to find of the "seven must die" thing is in an episode of the TV series "in search of" from 1979. [[Special:Contributions/12.12.144.130|12.12.144.130]] ([[User talk:12.12.144.130|talk]]) 20:44, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

== Roman outpost claims ==

First, this isn't a news article and we shouldn't be responding immediately to newspaper stories, which often in any case either get things wrong or give incomplete coverage - their role is to sell papers, not to publish scientific findings, remmber. The sword stuff is just nonsense, there are similar swords available elsewhere, eg on ebay.[http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/j-hutton-pulitzer-backpedals-on-roman-sword-claim-watches-his-credibility-circle-the-drain] The Roman shield boss <s>seems just dishonest as it</s> was discovered in 1792 in England.[http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/just-for-the-record-the-roman-shield-from-nova-scotia-is-actually-from-england] Of all the Oak Island claims, this has less credibility than most and at least at the moment I don't think it belongs. See also [http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/j-hutton-pulitzer-alleges-a-roman-sword-was-found-off-oak-island-several-decades-ago]and [http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/j-hutton-pulitzer-threatens-consequences-for-using-photo-of-now-almost-certainly-fake-roman-sword]. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]]
:Forgot. The "Ancient Artifact Preservation Society"[http://www.aaapf.org/scripts/openExtra.asp?extra=9] is just another fringe group, sponsored in part by the Mormon Wayne May. His magazine reflects an LDS perspective also.[http://www.ldsarchaeology.com/ancient-american-magazine.html].
:A bit more on J Hutton Pulitzer, who seems to be the man behind all of this. He's the inventor of the [[CueCat]]. Another Colavito post.[http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/j-hutton-pulitzer-makes-scott-wolter-uncomfortable-with-questions-about-red-headed-caucasian-pharaohs] Here's some of his self-published material on Amazon.[http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/184-1094620-7169333?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=J.+Hutton+Pulitzer] He is certainly a good publicist. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
::Redacting statement about being dishonest, as I can't be sure of that and Pulitizer is litigious. But I can quote him about the sword. At one of his websites he wrote " The sword has an ancient ocean navigational device built into it which causes the sword to point true north. Such magnetic qualities are only found in authentic items of antiquity, not cast iron or manufactured stone replicas." He even linked to our article [[True north]]. But of course magnets point to the [[North Magnetic Pole]]. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:13, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:::A claim like this would need very strong references to warrant inclusion. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 22:21, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

:The stories are problematical. The person who claimed to have discovered the sword is long dead and the sword passed through many hands before being revealed. There isn't an eyewitness account or a strong chain of custody that establishes where the sword came from. The sword might be Roman, but there is no way to establish absolutely that it actually came from that area. There is lots of talk about a Roman shipwreck. But until they show the actual wreck in the ocean and/or bring up roman materials from a wreck, its all just talk. [[Special:Contributions/75.17.125.26|75.17.125.26]] ([[User talk:75.17.125.26|talk]]) 07:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

::And it turns out to be almost certainly not Roman.[http://www.andywhiteanthropology.com/blog/blade-anomalies-99-bust-the-myth-of-the-roman-sword-from-nova-scotia][http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/oak-island-gives-verdict-on-roman-sword-plus-are-fairy-tales-bronze-age-relics]. Now that the tv show itself has said that this alleged "100% confirmed" sword isn't, maybe it's worth a small note somewhere, I don't know. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 19:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

== Marie Antoinette ==

The Palace of Versailles was not stormed by revolutionaries in 1789. It was never stormed.[[User:Royalcourtier|Royalcourtier]] ([[User talk:Royalcourtier|talk]]) 23:31, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


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:What is being referred to is [[The March on Versailles]] of 5 October 1789. You are correct that it was never "stormed". But it was the point when the royals came under the control of the revolutionaries. I've made the appropriate corrections to the wording in the section. I also corrected the theorizing in the section. All events related to digging on Oak Island in the 1700s are apocryphal folk tales with no source earlier than the 1850s. [[Special:Contributions/64.134.168.10|64.134.168.10]] ([[User talk:64.134.168.10|talk]]) 06:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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Intriguing that the dates for the disappearance of the Crown Jewels, the fall of Versailles, and alleged activity on the Island loosely correlate. Doing "too much too soon" would no doubt be an appropriate conclusion for the area! If there was a fanciful construction of a booby-trapped pit, French engineers would be among those who would know how to accomplish it. ([[User:John G. Lewis|John G. Lewis]] ([[User talk:John G. Lewis|talk]]) 00:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC))
== Bad Date ==


This date is wrong, Quote: ''Oak Island Tours eventually dissolved, and in '''February 2019''', it was announced that a new partnership had been formed with a company called the "Michigan Group".[17]''
:The problem is that the French Crown Jewels didn't disappear in 1789. Certain parts of the collection was stolen from the Garde Meuble (Royal Treasury) in Paris in 1792, but it seems very unlikely that the King or Queen were in any way involved. [[Special:Contributions/12.12.144.130|12.12.144.130]] ([[User talk:12.12.144.130|talk]]) 20:08, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


If you look at reference 17, it does indeed give February 2019 as the date that the web page was posted. But the change in partnership had to be much older. It should be noted that the current website is a reconstruction of a previously expired and lost website. The TV show first aired in 2014 at which point the new partnership was fully formed and active. Also reference 17 says Quote: ''The treasure trove licence is in Mr. Tobias’ name, but the new group will be looking to transfer the licence, which is valid until '''July of 2008'''.'' <<< This strongly implies that the change in partnership happened prior to 2008. During a quick look I was unable to determine the correct date, so did not make any changes to the article. (too lazy to login, old codger). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.17.129.190|24.17.129.190]] ([[User talk:24.17.129.190#top|talk]]) 09:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== inappropriate advertising ==


== Vibe check ==
The mention of the show ", and is the subject of the History Channel's series The Curse of Oak Island." seems inappropriate in the introduction. The show should be mentioned further down the article. It seems like advertising to mention it at the very start of the article.


What’s a vibe check you ask?......
The next section is even more troublesome. It not only mentioned the TV series again, it throws up every conspiracy theory in the book in a way that seems very related to the show rather than the history of Oak Island. If all that junk needs to be in the article, it should be far down the article after the confirmed history of the Island is presented.


Let me Telepathically text you to see if your worthy.
The section on the television show should just describe the TV show in brief. The "teasers" for the supposed "discoveries" at the end of the first and second seasons should not be mentioned.[[Special:Contributions/64.134.168.10|64.134.168.10]] ([[User talk:64.134.168.10|talk]]) 06:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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Well you passed the vibe check!
Agreed that the TV series doesn't belong in the introduction so I made the edit. It does belong in the pop culture section, although the claims should be presented in a more balanced and less POV manner.[[User:Dan Conlin|Dan Conlin]] ([[User talk:Dan Conlin|talk]]) 22:52, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Haha you had no idea I was actually tricking you by vibe
Checking you!
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== Documented discoveries ==
== source for the "seven must die" curse story ==


Some mention needs to be made of several discoveries that add to the "mystery" of Oak Iasland. Here is a partial list of items that should be mentioned:
I've found what seems possibly to be the source of the "seven must die" curse story. Its in the Dalhousie Review, Volume 57, Number 4, 1978. The story is written by Joan Clark and I think it was intended as fiction. Its told by a woman who lived near Oak Island in childhood. She claims she heard the story of the curse from an adult neighbor (Mrs. Nauss) in the early 1960s. The story is about a woman having "premonition" abilities and recounts being able to find the body of a missing person for the police. She also claims that she had a premonition dream predicting the "Restall" deaths in the 1960s. Then she tells a story about some woman seeing visions of where the treasure actually is and then dying on the Island. The central character predicts that death in the story as well. I have yet to find any account of the curse older than this one. It was also published just a year before the "in search of" TV show episode which also talks about "seven must die". I'm leaving this for reference purposes on the talk page. [[Special:Contributions/75.17.126.6|75.17.126.6]] ([[User talk:75.17.126.6|talk]]) 05:20, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
1. Discovery of European and Middle Eastern human bones from core drillings obtained below 90 foot depth.
2. Determination that the Triangle Swamp is historically young...about 400 years old, and contains within it several human constructed cobble stone paved areas.
3. Discovery of buried wood works at Smithe's Cove that pre-date any documented human activity.
4. Need commentary about the kind of workforce required to carry out the above mentioned discoveries.


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== Kempton and the inscribed stone ==


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Joltes writes about this.[http://www.criticalenquiry.org/oakisland/kempton.shtml] He calls the inscription an egregious fraud and says "there are no known descriptions of the "original" Money Pit stone -- if indeed such a stone ever existed in the first place." [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:16, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:'''Oak Island''' is a {{convert|57|hectare|adj=on}} privately owned island in [[Lunenburg County, Nova Scotia|Lunenburg County]] on the south shore of [[Nova Scotia]], [[Canada]]. The tree-covered island is one of about 360 small islands in [[Mahone Bay]] and rises to a maximum of {{convert|11|metres|ft|abbr=off}} above sea level. The island is located {{convert|200|metres|ft|abbr=off}} from shore and connected to the mainland by a [[causeway]] and gate. The nearest community is the rural community of [[Western Shore, Nova Scotia|Western Shore]] which faces the island, while the nearest village is [[Chester, Nova Scotia|Chester]]. The island is best known for various theories about buried treasure or historical artifacts, and the associated attempts to explore the site.


I am moving this here for now for the record as the measurements are not sourced. Feel free to add these bits into the article's body if you can find the [[WP:RS]] for them. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 14:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
:That isn't quite correct. There are vague descriptions of the stone. The stone was described for the first time in 1862. But the story is suspect because its describing events in great detail that supposedly happened in 1805 and because the author later gives an excuse as to why the stone can't be seen (its not only built into a chimney, its built into a chimney surrounded by wood and staircases). The next detail is added in 1893. Its claimed that the stone was translated at an unknown time by persons unknown in Halifax to read “Ten feet below are two million pounds buried.”. The final addition to the story is the addition of the symbols by Kempton. Kempton's account is that a unnamed (then-deceased) minister contacted an unnamed (also-deceased) irish schoolteacher who provided the information. Kempton claimed he had a manuscript written by the teacher, but nobody ever saw it. All the stories of the stone are suspect. The 1862 story is suspect because its describing in great detail events from 1805 and when asked to produce the stone, a lame story is provided to explain why its not possible. The 1893 story is suspect because it fails to provide the names of anyone involved. As well, Kempton's story is not credible because he mentions two people but does not provide their names and states that they are both deceased. The only descriptions of the stone come from people raising money for treasure hunts. While they assure us that "thousands" saw the stone, there are no historical accounts by third parties who saw the stone. [[Special:Contributions/75.17.126.74|75.17.126.74]] ([[User talk:75.17.126.74|talk]]) 09:02, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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This date is wrong, Quote: Oak Island Tours eventually dissolved, and in February 2019, it was announced that a new partnership had been formed with a company called the "Michigan Group".[17]

If you look at reference 17, it does indeed give February 2019 as the date that the web page was posted. But the change in partnership had to be much older. It should be noted that the current website is a reconstruction of a previously expired and lost website. The TV show first aired in 2014 at which point the new partnership was fully formed and active. Also reference 17 says Quote: The treasure trove licence is in Mr. Tobias’ name, but the new group will be looking to transfer the licence, which is valid until July of 2008. <<< This strongly implies that the change in partnership happened prior to 2008. During a quick look I was unable to determine the correct date, so did not make any changes to the article. (too lazy to login, old codger). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.129.190 (talk) 09:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vibe check

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What’s a vibe check you ask?......

Let me Telepathically text you to see if your worthy. 

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Well you passed the vibe check! Haha you had no idea I was actually tricking you by vibe Checking you! Now you know what it is :)(: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.249.64.108 (talk) 02:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Documented discoveries

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Some mention needs to be made of several discoveries that add to the "mystery" of Oak Iasland. Here is a partial list of items that should be mentioned: 1. Discovery of European and Middle Eastern human bones from core drillings obtained below 90 foot depth. 2. Determination that the Triangle Swamp is historically young...about 400 years old, and contains within it several human constructed cobble stone paved areas. 3. Discovery of buried wood works at Smithe's Cove that pre-date any documented human activity. 4. Need commentary about the kind of workforce required to carry out the above mentioned discoveries.

~~Larry Kipp~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C5E:537F:4292:D41B:A4D8:5D33:2672 (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Oak Island is a 57-hectare (140-acre) privately owned island in Lunenburg County on the south shore of Nova Scotia, Canada. The tree-covered island is one of about 360 small islands in Mahone Bay and rises to a maximum of 11 metres (36 feet) above sea level. The island is located 200 metres (660 feet) from shore and connected to the mainland by a causeway and gate. The nearest community is the rural community of Western Shore which faces the island, while the nearest village is Chester. The island is best known for various theories about buried treasure or historical artifacts, and the associated attempts to explore the site.

I am moving this here for now for the record as the measurements are not sourced. Feel free to add these bits into the article's body if you can find the WP:RS for them. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:42, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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