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Wildly variant data in "Environmental Considerations" section

The first sentence in this section says about 83 million rolls are produced per day(=30.3 billion rolls per year) without indicating if this is global or just US. It also states that Global toilet paper production consumes 27,000 trees daily, which at 810 rolls per tree (the 200 rolls figure erroneously cited in this sentence has been corrected by others previously) indicates global production of only 8.0 billion rolls annually. The second sentence begins by stating that "More than seven billion rolls of toilet paper are sold yearly in the United States alone" without citing a source but then continues "Americans use an average of 141 rolls per capita a year", which amounts to 46.5 billion rolls. These wildly divergent numbers derive from three or more different sources. Which, if any, of these original sources are reliable?

Citation 29, the "Fun Facts" source has numerous inconsistencies, such as "It takes about 384 trees to make the toilet paper that one man uses within his lifetime." "An average tree... yielding...approximately 810 rolls...", and "The average person uses 100 rolls of toilet paper per year...". Clearly something is wrong here as this implies that average man will live for 3110 years. For a bit of humor, the information that "Toilet paper was first patented in Albany (Small country in Europe)"... well it was not the small country in Europe (Albania), but Albany NY, as the Wikipedia article correctly points out.

Citation 48, the Statista estimate of 141 rolls/year/capita, at 90 gms per roll implies total production of 4.2 million tonnes, or about half of the total tissue and sanitary paper capacity of the US industry and seems more realistic from that standpoint, although I don't now how we manage to use nearly half a roll per day, each.

Citation 47, the figure or 27,000 trees used daily for toilet paper production from the World Watch article summarized by National Geographic's Green Guide obviously is inconsistent with actual production although the issue itself is relevant to this section of the Wikipedia piece.

Unfortunately, I was not able to find reliable data sources for toilet paper production, although such information used to be available from various trade sources. It would be helpful if Wikipedia contributors could assess the reliability or accuracy of the sources they have used, as the caution "This article needs additional citations for verification" otherwise must apply to the entire article. KZander (talk) 08:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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There was a shortage of tolit paper in 2020 because of covid-19. 204.14.61.163 (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -ink&fables «talk» 15:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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In the brief "Toilet paper orientation" section, please add a pair of images. Here's the code:

Toilet Paper Orientation

The over orientation

The under orientation

2601:5C6:8081:35C0:556C:CDC3:B721:269A (talk) 12:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done – Thjarkur (talk) 13:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

uses

It can also be used to stanch blood from minor nicks incurred during shaving. Also, in ROK, it is commonly placed on dining tables in restaurants to be used as general service tissue in lieu of or in addition to napkins. 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F801:822C:2480:9CC8 (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Misogynistic language

The first paragraph of this article uses the woman-erasing, misogynistic language "people with vulvas." Why is this here, and why has the article apparently been protected from fixing this slur without even any conversation about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:817F:39A0:25EE:B2F6:FFC5:A175 (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting that even the Wikipedia talk page for Toilet paper isn’t safe from TERFs. 2A02:810D:1340:485C:70CB:9266:EE83:8F26 (talk) 00:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Wildly variant data in "Environmental Considerations" section ==
-==Xylospongium==
-I think it might be relevant to add a link to the Xylospongium stub under See Also, to mention "toilet paper" in antiquity. [[User:Temerarius|Temerarius]] ([[User talk:Temerarius|talk]]) 00:54, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
+The first sentence in this section says about 83 million rolls are produced per day(=30.3 billion rolls per year) without indicating if this is global or just US. It also states that Global toilet paper production consumes 27,000 trees daily, which at 810 rolls per tree (the 200 rolls figure erroneously cited in this sentence has been corrected by others previously) indicates global production of only 8.0 billion rolls annually. The second sentence begins by stating that "More than seven billion rolls of toilet paper are sold yearly in the United States alone" without citing a source but then continues "Americans use an average of 141 rolls per capita a year", which amounts to 46.5 billion rolls. These wildly divergent numbers derive from three or more different sources. Which, if any, of these original sources are reliable?
+Citation 29, the "Fun Facts" source has numerous inconsistencies, such as "It takes about 384 trees to make the toilet paper that one man uses within his lifetime." "An average tree... yielding...approximately 810 rolls...", and "The average person uses 100 rolls of toilet paper per year...". Clearly something is wrong here as this implies that average man will live for 3110 years. For a bit of humor, the information that "Toilet paper was first patented in Albany (Small country in Europe)"... well it was not the small country in Europe (Albania), but Albany NY, as the Wikipedia article correctly points out.
+Citation 48, the Statista estimate of 141 rolls/year/capita, at 90 gms per roll implies total production of 4.2 million tonnes, or about half of the total tissue and sanitary paper capacity of the US industry and seems more realistic from that standpoint, although I don't now how we manage to use nearly half a roll per day, each.
+Citation 47, the figure or 27,000 trees used daily for toilet paper production from the World Watch article summarized by National Geographic's Green Guide obviously is inconsistent with actual production although the issue itself is relevant to this section of the Wikipedia piece.
+Unfortunately, I was not able to find reliable data sources for toilet paper production, although such information used to be available from various trade sources. It would be helpful if Wikipedia contributors could assess the reliability or accuracy of the sources they have used, as the caution "This article needs additional citations for verification" otherwise must apply to the entire article.
+[[User:KZander|KZander]] ([[User talk:KZander|talk]]) 08:26, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2020 ==
+{{edit semi-protected|Toilet paper|answered=yes}}
-== Toilet Roll Weight ==
+There was a shortage of tolit paper in 2020 because of covid-19. [[Special:Contributions/204.14.61.163|204.14.61.163]] ([[User talk:204.14.61.163|talk]]) 15:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
-I feel this is American centric or out dated
-Here in the UK Most toilet rolls I've weighed don't get near 200g
-Premium Andrex rolls for example are about 150g
-Asda toilet rolls 100g
-Cheapo stuff from the discount store 60g
-Under the "Size" discussion, it is stated that there are "issues with the
-size of the tissues," concerning the possible mismatch between the roll
-size and the roller.  Can we please drop references to "issues?"  I have
-rephrased this sentence, accordingly.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Homebuilding|Homebuilding]] ([[User talk:Homebuilding#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Homebuilding|contribs]]) 00:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EP --> [[User:-ink&amp;fables|<span style="background:navy;padding:1px 9px"><span style="color:white">-ink&amp;fables</span></span>]] [[User talk:-ink&amp;fables|<span style="background:darkorange;padding:1px 9px"><span style="color:white">«talk»</span></span>]] 15:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
-Quite agree.  Also, someone needs to check their math.  23.6 rolls/capita at 100g each is only 2.36Kg, not the 23Kg cited.  I think it should be 230 rolls/capita/yr. <ref>http://www.toiletpaperhistory.net/toilet-paper-facts/toilet-paper-fun-facts/</ref>  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.11.40.246|208.11.40.246]] ([[User talk:208.11.40.246#top|talk]]) 15:19, 23 March 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2020 ==
-A lot of talk about colours, and dimensins... it seems that there shoul db emore discussion about available standard thickness, 1000/roll vs 200/roll ; scott vs charmin etc...  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.124.116.101|69.124.116.101]] ([[User talk:69.124.116.101#top|talk]]) 04:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-{{talkref}}
+{{edit semi-protected|Toilet paper|answered=yes}}
-== http://www.toiletpaperhistory.net - unreliable source ==
+In the brief "Toilet paper orientation" section, please add a pair of images.  Here's the code:
-I doubt the reliability of this source that is used in the article.
-It contains odd opinions and maths that don't even make sense - for example:
-Maths:
-"In an average household, the average roll of toilet paper lasts approximately five days."
-(So an average household goes through 73 rolls a year (365/5)
-Except that doesn't tally with the quote further down:
-"The average person uses 100 rolls of toilet paper per year"
+{{multiple image
-Opinion:
+| header    = Toilet Paper Orientation
-"If you hang your toilet paper so you can pull it from the bottom, you're deemed to be more intelligent than someone who hangs their toilet paper and pulls it from the top." - by whom?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.252.150.23|90.252.150.23]] ([[User talk:90.252.150.23#top|talk]]) 21:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+| width     = 150
+| image1    = Toilet paper orientation over.jpg
+| caption1  = The ''over'' orientation
+| image2    = Toilet paper orientation under.jpg
+| caption2  = The ''under'' orientation
+}} [[Special:Contributions/2601:5C6:8081:35C0:556C:CDC3:B721:269A|2601:5C6:8081:35C0:556C:CDC3:B721:269A]] ([[User talk:2601:5C6:8081:35C0:556C:CDC3:B721:269A|talk]]) 12:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
+:{{done}} – '''[[User:Þjarkur|Thjarkur]]''' [[User talk:Þjarkur|(talk)]] 13:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
-== Status of article  ==
+== uses ==
-I would like to request that this article be moved from no rating in the WikiProject Health and Fitness scope, to a B-Class quality rating, and a Top-Importance importance scale rating. As well, I think it's worth requesting that the article be moved from a C-Class quality rating, and Low-Importance importance rating in the WikiProject China scope, to a B-Class quality rating, and a Top-Importance importance rating. If these changes cannot be made, then I would like to request an explanation as to why this article doesn't deserve these ratings. [[User:Kcingham|Kcingham]] ([[User talk:Kcingham|talk]]) 02:29, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
-== "Clean yourself" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
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+It can also be used to stanch blood from minor nicks incurred during shaving.  Also, in ROK, it is commonly placed on dining tables in restaurants to be used as general service tissue in lieu of or in addition to napkins. [[Special:Contributions/2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F801:822C:2480:9CC8|2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F801:822C:2480:9CC8]] ([[User talk:2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F801:822C:2480:9CC8|talk]]) 19:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
-== Number of rolls per tree ==
-The article's claim that "One tree produces about 200 rolls (100 pounds (45 kg)) of toilet paper and about 83 million rolls are produced per day." is not supported by the webpage cited http://www.toiletpaperhistory.net/toilet-paper-facts/toilet-paper-fun-facts/.  The webpage states that "An average tree weighs 1,000 pounds which would yield 450 pounds of bleached chemical pulp, assuming a 90% converting yield, approximately 810 rolls of toilet paper would be produced from a single tree. (thanks to Don Guay)."  Thus, at a minimum the article should be corrected to reflect 810 rolls as opposed to 200 rolls.  However, even the 810 rolls per tree is suspect.
-[[User:TheAwesomeAtom|TheAwesomeAtom]] ([[User talk:TheAwesomeAtom|talk]]) 20:37, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
+== Misogynistic language ==
-== Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2020 ==
+The first paragraph of this article uses the woman-erasing, misogynistic language "people with vulvas." Why is this here, and why has the article apparently been protected from fixing this slur without even any conversation about it?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:600:817F:39A0:25EE:B2F6:FFC5:A175|2601:600:817F:39A0:25EE:B2F6:FFC5:A175]] ([[User talk:2601:600:817F:39A0:25EE:B2F6:FFC5:A175#top|talk]]) 16:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-{{edit semi-protected|Toilet paper|answered=no}}
-In the 21st century a japan troll by the name of bunneh created a fear tactic that the shortage due to the Corona virus pandemic also known as COVID-19.  When this virus began in north America many individuals took this as a investment opportunity and bought out all toilet paper and selling it on the internet as such a higher cost making significant profits.
+:Interesting that even the Wikipedia talk page for Toilet paper isn’t safe from TERFs. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:810D:1340:485C:70CB:9266:EE83:8F26|2A02:810D:1340:485C:70CB:9266:EE83:8F26]] ([[User talk:2A02:810D:1340:485C:70CB:9266:EE83:8F26|talk]]) 00:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
-Birch bark was also used in north America as toilet paper around 200 bc  by the natives mohawk and other native tribes. [[User:10n3w01f|10n3w01f]] ([[User talk:10n3w01f|talk]]) 21:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)