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-== [[Visions (convention)]] ==
-I think [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions]] and [[:Category:Science fiction media conventions]] are both applicable because they are both subcategories of [[:Category:Science fiction conventions]].  They're not broader/narrower of each other. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 17:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
-:@{{u|Fuddle}} The train of thought is that we have a clear divide of what conventions are defunct and which are ongoing. I didn't want to mix defunct cons with the active ones. That said, I understand if you and others feel conventions should still be in the other categories especially notable conventions. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: black;">Talk</b>]] 18:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
-::If we wanted to do that (maybe?), then there should be '''Category:Defunct science fiction media conventions'''. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 20:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::@{{u|Fuddle}} We could create that category. I believe there were 3 or 4 that are defunct from the science fiction media. I'm not sure if that would be too small for it's own category though. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: black;">Talk</b>]] 20:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::There are only 19 total, so a subcat might be [[WP:OVERCAT]].
-:::@{{u|Fuddle}} Yeah, there are at least two points that would make it overcat. I guess IT can be left as is or move the ones back into the science fiction media category. Id' have to go back and check which others belong if that is the way we decide to go. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: black;">Talk</b>]] 11:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::I added [[:Category:Defunct events]] to [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions]] which aligns things a little better.
-:::@{{u|Fuddle}} That is fantastic! I added [[:Category:Defunct comics conventions]] and [[:Category:Defunct gaming conventions]] as well. I'm going to be on vacation until Monday and have limited internet access until then. I definitely want to continue to work on things if you see anything else that should be done. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: black;">Talk</b>]] 01:36, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::Enjoy.  We can continue on Monday. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 01:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
-::After looking at the [[User:Fuddle/sandbox|category trees]], I think we should nominate [[:Category:Science fiction media conventions]] for deletion.  There isn't an article with that title.  'Media' means 'not books', I guess.  Not really defining. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 20:27, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
-::@{{u|Fuddle}} That makes the most sense. The only other thing I could l think about would be renaming the category. Multimedia conventions is a possibility but there isn't a page for that either. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: red;">GameInfirmary</b>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<b style="color: black;">Talk</b>]] 12:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::OK.  I'll take a stab at deleting it.
-Our logjam has cleared.  Categories have been moved and/or renamed.  Moving on:
-*[[:Category:Science fiction conventions in the United States]]. I have two issues with the scope note:
-#We should remove "annual".  There's no mechanism for dealing with cons that aren't annual.
-#Limiting this category to active cons means we either have to do the same for the other "in [place]" cats, or we need to create [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions by place]]. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 20:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
-::@{{u|Fuddle}} I don't think active conventions need to be categorized on whether they are annual or not. An active convention is active whether they plan a convention to be bi-annual, annual, etc. So yes removing annual makes a lot of sense.
-:::Done.
-::I'm not opposed to creating defunct categories by location. My only issue with it is if a certain location only has 1 or 2 defunct conventions. We could then broaden the defunct categories but then we wouldn't have the active categories to match. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black;">GameInfirmary</span>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial Black;">Talk</span>]] 01:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::There are only 49 articles in [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions]] and it looks like only 2 or 3 aren't American.  So we can just create one new cat for defunct US cons.  We can add other places and the container cat when we need it.
-:::@{{u|Fuddle}} We could go with the title [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions in the United States]] to match [[:Category:Science fiction conventions in the United States]].
-:::Is there a reason to keep [[:Category:North American Science Fiction Convention]]?  [[User:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black;">GameInfirmary</span>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial Black;">Talk</span>]] 01:26, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::Category created.  I hadn't heard of the NASF Con before, but it looks like a real thing.
-::: Ok, I'll start moving them over into the defunct US category. Also I will remove conventions that aren't associated with the NASF from the other category. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black;">GameInfirmary</span>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial Black;">Talk</span>]] 12:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
-:Things are moving along. Now to cause more trouble: What do you think of [[:Category:Multigenre conventions]]?  It seems arbitary and there's no article, only a list with an arbitary definition.  Do cons identify themselves as multigenre?
-::A lot of bigger cons are multigenre. The Fan Expos being the first that comes to mind. A great example is  [[Dragon Con]] which currently going on. They get televisions guests, comic creators, voice actors, video gaming, and so on. I suspect more will go the multigenre route after the San Diego Comic Con judgement just the other week. There could be a multigenre article made. It would describe how conventions over time have evolved from single genre events to spanning a wide array of pop culture within one event. The fun part would be to find sources on the evolution and those that explain multigenre cons. Searching multigenre convention on google does yield a bunch of conventions that consider themselves to be such. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black;">GameInfirmary</span>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial Black;">Talk</span>]] 02:30, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
-:::The category includes '''any''' con with 3+ genres, and that's not how categories should work.  It should contin only self-defining cons, unless you can come up with a standard definition. And I'm not clear where it should fit in the [[User:Fuddle/sandbox|category tree]] (it's currently level with '''and''' a subcategory of other types of cons).  But it's all outside of my area of expertise.
-== A7 tagging ==
-*{{La|Stellarcon}}
-*{{La|ShadowCon (Oslo)}}
-You tagged two event articles above for deletion per a7. In both articles, you also added material to the article that said the events were defunct. In neither article did you add sourced material to the body supporting the status of the event. One of the articles had been nominated for deletion in 2011, and the result was keep. In the other article you reverted an administrator who had declined your a7 tag. First, you should ''never'' reinstate a speedy tag that has been removed by any legitimate editor, let alone an administrator. Second, you should not be making controversial changes to any article without support from reliable sources. Finally, you are obviously too inexperienced to be tagging articles at all. Consider this a warning or very strong advice. If I see similar conduct in the future, you risk being blocked.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 14:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
-*I apologize in the event that I have made a couple of mistakes and did something incorrectly. Although I will say a search for the conventions online didn't yield results and even their websites aren't in existence any longer. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black;">GameInfirmary</span>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial Black;">Talk</span>]] 10:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)