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== Notable Crossings == |
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I noticed that the list of "Notable Crossings" was seemingly a list of crossings in Ontario. I did add the Peace Arch, which as the biggest crossing by traffic west of Ambassedor Bridge, is probably more notable, then the crossing in Sault Ste. Marie. I think that this list should probably be gutted maybe to two the five or six biggest ones. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.189.210.213|128.189.210.213]] ([[User talk:128.189.210.213|talk]]) 21:35, 23 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The list should include crossings that have their own articles -- primarily bridges. That's how we define "notable". [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] <sup><small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small></sup> 15:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC) |
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::At some point this section became retitled "Notable bridge/tunnel crossings", so I removed Peace Arch and Blackpool.[[User:Wbaron|Wbaron]] ([[User talk:Wbaron|talk]]) 02:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC) |
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== the 49° line == |
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:::The TEXT of this article does not even mention the [[Rainy River (Minnesota–Ontario)]] between Ontario and Minnesota. Nor does it mention the [[Detroit River]], the [[St. Clair River]], [[Lake St. Clair]], the [[Niagara River]], nor the [[Strait of Juan de Fuca]]. [[Special:Contributions/47.215.180.7|47.215.180.7]] ([[User talk:47.215.180.7|talk]]) 04:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC) |
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[[File:0 ave british columbia canada.jpg|thumb|[[0 Avenue]] on the Canadian side and the border marker]] "lies on the 49th parallel north" is not quite accurate; I prefer "lies ''along''". The border is defined not by the abstract latitude but by markers like this obelisk, which wobble from 49° by a few hundred metres each way; see [[49th parallel north#As border]]. It follows that the Northwest Angle is not the only bit north of 49°. —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 06:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:Don't "lie on" and "lie along" mean the same thing? How about "follows the 49th parallel of north latitude subject to small deviations"? [[User:WmDKing|WmDKing]] ([[User talk:WmDKing|talk]]) 19:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== History, further info == |
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===Dawson report (1872-1876)=== |
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*{{cite web |
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| last = Dawson |
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| first = George Mercer |
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| title = Report on the Geology and Resources of the Region in the Vicinity of the Forty-ninth Parallel, from the Lake of the Woods to the Rocky Mountains (Google eBook) |
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| work = North American Boundary Commission, 1872-1876 |
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| publisher = Dawson Brothers, Montreal |
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| date = 1875 |
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| url = http://books.google.ca/books?id=5Ec5AQAAMAAJ |
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::To me at least, "on the line" is a much tighter constraint than "along the line". But how about "approximates"? —̦[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 03:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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:: The 1872 resolution of the Pig War dispute is mentioned. As for the Northwest boundary, there was no Boundary Commission, there was only a proposal for one in 1872 which was rejected by the United States as unnecessary as the the land was too remote and of marginal value. It wasn't until the Klondike Gold Rush in 1898 that the US took any interest in surveying the Canada - Alaska boundary. This is covered in the article on the [[Alaska boundary dispute]]. |
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::: This Wikipedia article is entitled Canada-United States border. The North American Boundary Commission 1872-1876 was an international commission covering from Lake of the Woods to the Rocky Mountains. An earlier commission covering the Pacific Coast area of Surrey took place between 1857-1859. (See some of the sources given below.) This is a different area than the Alaska frontier. Archibald Campbell represented the United States in both of these commissions. Mountains named in honor of the participants provides further testament to the work of these commissions. [[User:DonaldRichardSands|DonaldRichardSands]] ([[User talk:DonaldRichardSands|talk]]) 06:43, 13 September 2013 (UTC) |
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== Describing Current Border == |
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===Mount Rowe citation (1872-1876)=== |
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The article would be made more useful if it began with at least a general description of the geographical location of the border. The detailed description of the border is given later and is subdivided by provinces or regions beginning on the west coast. However, as the delineation of the Canada-U.S. border proceeded from east to west, it would make more sense to present the description of its route in the same fashion. This was the approach taken in the Treaty of Paris and I would surmise though I am not certain, in most of the other documents which defined the border. This being the case, the description of the physical border from east to west would better enable the reader to relate that process to related historical events. [[User:WmDKing|WmDKing]] ([[User talk:WmDKing|talk]]) 22:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Mount Rowe |
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:http://www.peakfinder.com/peakfinder.asp?PeakName=Mount+Rowe<br> |
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::Summary of info:<br> |
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:::#Lieut. Rowe was the Surveying Officer for the International Boundary Commission (1872-1876) which deliniated the international border from Lake of the Woods to the Continental Divide.<br> |
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:::#Differences of opinion between Canada and the United States concerning the placement of the international boundary through the islands in the Strait of Georgia between the mainland and Vancouver Island had been settled cordially by an international boundary survey commission that existed from 1858 to 1862. |
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:::#This success led to the formation of a similar commission in 1870 that was given the task of marking the boundary from Lake of the Woods, Manitoba to the Continental Divide. |
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:::#Archibald Campbell, who had been the American chief commissioner for the 1858-1862 survey, was chosen to be the United States Commissioner of the survey. |
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:::#Prime Minister John A. Macdonald recommended a Scottish-born officer of the Royal Artillery, Capt. Donald Cameron to be the Campbell's Canadian counterpart. |
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:::#Note, This source states that the United States representative in the 1872-1876 Commission was Archibald Campbell. We need to find more info on him. |
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:::#The two commissioners, Campbell and Cameron, first met in 1872 and the following year saw the beginning of the long trek westward. |
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:::#The contrast in policy towards the continent's native population was evident as the American surveyors were supported by 230 armed men, two companies of cavalry and a company of infantry, as a precaution against possible Indian hostility. |
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:::#The British did not consider an armed escort necessary. In Cameron's opinion, the British flag was all the protection they required. |
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:::#Through 1874 and 1875 the survey continued, extending the cairn marked boundary line across the three prairie steppes to the mountains and finally to the Continental Divide. |
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:::#By the time the final meeting of the Commissioners Campbell and Cameron was held in London in 1876, 388 survey monuments such as iron pillars, stone cairns, earth mounds, timber marks, and mounds of mixed earth and stone had been established along the 49th Parallel of latitude. |
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:::#The now visible evidence of an international border was quickly put to use by the Northwest Mounted Police. |
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:::#The bootlegging of liquor by Americans to the Canadian Indians could now be controled. |
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:::#One of the first to make effective use of the newly marked border was Sitting Bull and his Sioux warriors who fled to safety in Canada after the massacre at Little Big Horn in Montana. |
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:::#The Americans honoured their commissioner, naming a peak just south of the border on the western side of Waterton Lake Mount Campbell. |
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:Curiously the markers along the 49° line are numbered from the west! —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 03:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC) |
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== pandemic == |
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===Hasting Papers on Archibald Campbell (1857-59)=== |
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Camp Semiahmoo 1857-59, Hasting Papers |
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:Source: Papers of W.W. Hastings |
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::http://www.surreyhistory.ca/campsemi.html |
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Now that the Covid closure is over, I think that section can be shorter, with several sentences collapsed to {{tq|The closure was extended 15 times, but gradually loosened in the summer of 2021, with all pandemic-related restrictions finally lifted on [date].}} [[User:Tamfang|—Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 07:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC) |
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===Campbell and Hawkins (1857-1862)=== |
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Campbell versus Hawkins: The Sometimes Stormy Relationship between the American & British Commissioners to the 1857-1862 Northwest Boundary Survey<br> |
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:http://www.lsawhistorical.org/documents/articles_CampbellvrsHawkinPOB.pdf |
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===Archibald Campbell's Report of the 1872-1876 Commission=== |
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[[File:Title page of Campbell, Twining Report 1878.jpg|thumb|200px|right|The Title page of Archibald Campbell's International Border Commission Report, 1872-1876]] |
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* [http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/view/search?QuickSearchA=QuickSearchA&q=%22archibald+campbell%22&sort=Pub_List_No_InitialSort%2CPub_Date%2CPub_List_No%2CSeries_No&search=Search The David Rumsey Collection] |
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==Enough historical information for separate article== |
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It seems as though there is enough historical information for a separate article to be developed eventually. [[User:DonaldRichardSands|DonaldRichardSands]] ([[User talk:DonaldRichardSands|talk]]) 06:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC) |
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== "Practical Exclaves" == |
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I question the value of listing every water-bounded speck of rock on the border. Are they any more exclaved than Vancouver Island, or Martha's Vineyard?<br> [[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 04:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC) |
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:In regard to your question only (without commenting on your statements), if an island has an international border between two countries on it, then there are two pene-exclaves. If one stipulates that the concept of "pene-exclave" lacks credence, then your question has added merit, in my opinion. |
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:Jeff in CA 14:53, 4 November 2013 (UTC) |
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:: These are not exclaves or pene-exclaves: the ''territory'' is continuous even if the land is not. They are not ''practical'' exclaves, in my infallible opinion, because it's not necessarily any more practical to reach one half of the sandbar by going through the other half. —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 19:59, 4 November 2013 (UTC) |
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[[:Canada–United States border]] → {{no redirect|Canada-United States borders}} – There are 2 distinct borders this article is about, the border between Canada and Alaska and the border between Canada and the contiguous United States. These are not the same line, so they're not a single border [[User:Georgia guy|Georgia guy]] ([[User talk:Georgia guy|talk]]) 01:00, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' - The plurality of "border" is implied by its use as a noun; a political border as much as a line in the sand (or tundra). Plus, "borders" sounds wonky. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 03:12, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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::'''Comment''' - ''Two'' distinct borders? What about [[Point Roberts, Washington]]? [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 03:18, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' - "Border" (singular) in this situation is a term of common use. For example, the [[China–Russia border]] also consists of two non-contiguous sections. [[User:Jeff in CA|Jeff in CA]] ([[User talk:Jeff in CA|talk]]) 04:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' – in addition to the unneeded plural, changing the en dash to a hyphen makes no sense. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:14, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' in common and legal usage there is one border. the term does not assume continuity. [[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 04:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' [[WP:SINGULAR]] we cover cars at car, not cars. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.46.39|70.51.46.39]] ([[User talk:70.51.46.39|talk]]) 06:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - It's one border, just in two parts. [[User:Bazonka|Bazonka]] ([[User talk:Bazonka|talk]]) 21:55, 22 March 2016 (UTC) |
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== Usage of Canada-United States border in Wikipedia == |
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I noticed that some (about 20) articles used <nowiki>[[Canada|Canadian]] border</nowiki> and I've changed those to <nowiki>[[Canada-United States border|Canada–US]] border</nowiki>. I think it is more appropriate to use Canada–US than to use Canadian, as it is a joint border. I'm not sure where policy lands on this sort of thing. The majority of links use some form of Canada-US, e.g. United States-Canadian. To see what I mean, look at what links to this article. I consider it to be an improvement to use both countries in the name, but I understand that using Canadian by itself is common usage also. What do you think? [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 06:12, 16 May 2016 (UTC) |
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*Changing the link was a good thing, and I support that because it links to the specific subject being discussed, but the displayed text does not always need to changed. If the context of the article is clear, there's no need to list both countries. In many articles on highways, the first sentence does, or should, include a statement similar to "the US state of X" or "the Canadian province of Y", for example. In those cases, we can leave the second country involved out of describing the border at the terminus of the highway. Otherwise we run into the same formulaic approaches in our writing that produce something like "US Highway 2 (US 2) is a United States Numbered Highway in the US state of Michigan."<p>In short, when the context previously makes it clear that the subject of an article is connected with one of the two countries involved at the border, using only the one to name the border is sufficient, especially when a reader can click or hover his cursor over the link to get the full name. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">Imzadi 1979</font>]] [[User talk:Imzadi1979|<font color="white"><big>→</big></font>]]'''</span> 06:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC) |
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*Using the same logic, shouldn't we also always list both states or provinces when referring to those borders, even when context makes it clear we're already talking about one of the states or provinces? If that's the case, I have 10 years' worth of writing to fix. –[[User:Fredddie|Fredddie]][[User talk:Fredddie|™]] 11:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC) |
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** But, what if I said, maybe you should? Are we being clear to readers who are unfamiliar with the subject? Would it be good practice to use brackets like "the Canadian (Canada-US) border" and use Canadian the rest of the way? I feel like it's more encyclopedic to use both countries, but who wants to write both countries each time? Is it being lazy? Are we using shorthand? Are we just being in a hurry? My concern comes from seeing how many serious (aka non-entertainment or sports) articles need work. In some of the articles that reference the border, you see more than one version of the link used, too. Which means it's not really been gone over (edited). Might be nice to take more care. I will try to find some Manual of Style references on the net. [[User:Alaney2k|Alaney2k]] ([[User talk:Alaney2k|talk]]) 12:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC) |
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* This depends on context. "The person suspected of robbing a bank in Minneapolis was pursued by police almost to the Wisconsin border." It's the border between Minnesota and Wisconsin, but the context makes it clear that it's about an event in Minnesota, so it's appropriate to phrase it that way. When there is no context of that kind, both states would be named. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 21:06, 11 March 2017 (UTC) |
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== This could not have been before the boundary was delineated == |
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<blockquote>The border [ . . . ] even divides some buildings found in communities in Vermont and Quebec whose construction pre-dated the border's delineation.</blockquote> |
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That part of the southern boundary of Quebec was "delineated" – marked by survey monuments – in 1771–3 by [[Collins–Valentine line|Collins and Valentine]], but the buildings through which the border passes are plainly a lot newer than that, as may be seen via Google maps in Stanstead, Quebec and Derby Line Vermont, at the site of the [[Haskell Free Library]] and the house east of it through which the border passes, and some other buildings about two miles west of there. In particular, the Haskell Free Library was deliberately located so that the boundary passes through the building – hardly something that could have been done before the boundary was "delineated". Might it not better say that it was before authorities became fastidious about preventing construction in such locations? [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 03:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC) |
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:A border can be officially surveyed, and yet not actually ''confirmed'' for ''exactly'' where it's located. Just within the past five years, for example, the border between [[North Carolina]] and [[South Carolina]] was shifted about 150 feet southward at [[Lake Wylie, South Carolina|Lake Wylie]] by efforts to clarify the precise location of the border with modern GPS technology — and the effects included at least one property that got split by the new state line, so that the guy's house is in one state and his back deck is in the other. And that's a border that had survey markers on it too — but some of the markers turned out to have been ''off''. |
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:We could potentially stand to be more precise about ''how'' the buildings in Vermont/Quebec came to be divided by the border, if we can find proper sourcing to clarify it better, but we can't just ''presume'' that the logical explanation is that the authorities just weren't "fastidious" enough to prevent construction of a building that was already ''known'' to be divided by the border. 18th-century survey markers, for example, are known in a lot of locations to veer ''off'' from the proper straight line that ''officially'' demarcates the border — even in the west where the Canada-US border is officially the 49th parallel of latitude, the ''actual'' border is not a perfectly straight line that exactly matches the precise GPS location of the 49th parallel, but a ''spaghetti''-like line that ''wobbles'' up and down ''across'' the 49th parallel. It looks like a perfectly straight line on a ''map'', because the map scale is too small to actually catch the wobbles, but on the ground it is ''not'' a perfectly straight line — and guess what the reason is: surveyor error. |
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:So in reality, it's far more likely that the border was ''roughly'' surveyed but not carefully or precisely ''verified'' until after many of the divided buildings were already on top of it, rather than everybody knowing exactly what the builders were doing and the government just being too lazy to stop them. It's entirely possible for Haskell to have been intentional without meaning that ''all'' divided buildings were equally ''intended'' to be located smack on the borderline. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 21:31, 11 March 2017 (UTC) |
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:: You are mistaken about this particular border. The [[Collins–Valentine line]] surveyed in the early 1770s was indeed "rough" in that they intended it to be the 45th parallel and it is in some places well over a thousand feet north of there, _but_ in 1842 the [[Webster–Ashburton Treaty]] said the border is to be where Collins and Valentine put the markers and _not_ at the actual 45th parallel. The Haskell Free Library and Opera House was deliberately located so that the border passes through the building, as required by Haskell's last will and testament, and the other buildings were very obviously built long after the treaty of 1842, as you will see from Google Maps. |
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:: I have sent an email to the two International Boundary Commissioners, in Ottawa and Washington, asking if they can clarify all of this and directing their attention to this present Wikipedia discussion page. I await their response. |
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:: And I wasn't alleging laziness; rather I was suggesting that standards of behavior were different during an earlier time, and it was not considered necessary to forbid putting buildings on the boundary. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 03:49, 12 March 2017 (UTC) |
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: People putting houses up |
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: On the border louses up |
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: Our ability to boss |
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: Everyone who tries to cross. |
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: — John Joseph Enright |
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: [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 03:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC) |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canada%E2%80%93United_States_border&diff=769865442&oldid=769864349 This edit] and some other recent edits seem to be based on deductions from ASSUMPTIONS that appear reasonable only until one knows certain facts. The lack of accuracy of the [[Collins–Valentine line|Collins and Valentine survey]] of the 1770s cannot explain the location of houses through which the boundary passes because when the inaccuracy was discovered it was decided NOT to correct it but to leave the border at the position where Collins and Valentine marked it with survey monuments. The border that passes through the buildings on the boundary between Vermont and Quebec is NOT a more accurately marked border established later; it is the inaccurately marked border establish by the survey of the 1770s, and it is officially still the border. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 21:39, 22 March 2017 (UTC) |
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::Well, then find a proper source for what did happen. Because trust me, "everybody knew the houses were right smack on the border but nobody cared enough to do anything about it" is most certainly absolutely ten thousand per cent guaranteed not what happened either. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 21:51, 22 March 2017 (UTC) |
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::: They certainly cared in the case of the Haskell Library, where the building was deliberatly built on the border. That may have been the case with others too. Probably there was a time in the past when putting buildings astride the border was not illegal and not frowned on. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 02:02, 23 March 2017 (UTC) |
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I received a reply from the International Boundary Commission, and it consisted of saying I might find the information [ftp://ftp.nrcan.gc.ca/pub/outgoing/IBC_CFI here]. To be continued . . . [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 02:05, 23 March 2017 (UTC) |
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== Border exclaves == |
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Just a reminder, once again, that the "exclave" list in this article is ''only'' for listing places that have already been identified as exclaves in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. It is ''not'' an invitation to go scanning Google Maps or Wikimapia yourself to ''look'' for unnamed or unpopulated peninsulas that happen to be hanging off the wrong side of a riverbank, but have never been written about or identified as exclaves by ''external'' sources before — that is [[WP:OR|original research]], which is prohibited by Wikipedia policy. Your source for adding an entry to the list must be a reliable ''media'' source which explicitly identifies the location, either verbally or in writing, as an exclave; it ''cannot'' simply be an online ''map'' of the location, because online maps can be ''wrong''. (Trust me, I once had to submit a correction to Google Maps because the house my grandmother lived in when I was a kid was not and still isn't a WalMart.) [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 22:09, 11 March 2017 (UTC) |
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== Schornack? == |
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The material about the dispute involving Dennis Schornack is entertaining, but seems tangential to the topic of this article. I may create a separate article titled [[International Boundary Commission]] and if it gets long enough, include that material there. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 17:12, 9 April 2017 (UTC) |
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: . . . . . and now I've created the new article. [[User:Michael Hardy|Michael Hardy]] ([[User talk:Michael Hardy|talk]]) 19:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC) |
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the 49° line
[edit]"lies on the 49th parallel north" is not quite accurate; I prefer "lies along". The border is defined not by the abstract latitude but by markers like this obelisk, which wobble from 49° by a few hundred metres each way; see 49th parallel north#As border. It follows that the Northwest Angle is not the only bit north of 49°. —Tamfang (talk) 06:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Don't "lie on" and "lie along" mean the same thing? How about "follows the 49th parallel of north latitude subject to small deviations"? WmDKing (talk) 19:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- To me at least, "on the line" is a much tighter constraint than "along the line". But how about "approximates"? —̦Tamfang (talk) 03:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Describing Current Border
[edit]The article would be made more useful if it began with at least a general description of the geographical location of the border. The detailed description of the border is given later and is subdivided by provinces or regions beginning on the west coast. However, as the delineation of the Canada-U.S. border proceeded from east to west, it would make more sense to present the description of its route in the same fashion. This was the approach taken in the Treaty of Paris and I would surmise though I am not certain, in most of the other documents which defined the border. This being the case, the description of the physical border from east to west would better enable the reader to relate that process to related historical events. WmDKing (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Curiously the markers along the 49° line are numbered from the west! —Tamfang (talk) 03:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
pandemic
[edit]Now that the Covid closure is over, I think that section can be shorter, with several sentences collapsed to The closure was extended 15 times, but gradually loosened in the summer of 2021, with all pandemic-related restrictions finally lifted on [date].
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