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== Personal/Family == |
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I realize a section on Cochran's Family might be a bit complicated, but should there be one? I came to WP just ow to find out whether he had a son with only one woman, or with two, and the son(s)' name(s). If you agree and have the relevant family information, children, etc., perhaps you could create that Personal/Family section. [[User:BobEnyart|Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host ]] ([[User talk:BobEnyart|talk]]) 19:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:Article badly needs a family section, given alleged keeping up a relationship with another woman he had a child with in another city, while abusing his wife - relevant to his fame defending a wife beater. Not sure on sources. [[User:Oathed|Oathed]] ([[User talk:Oathed|talk]]) 17:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC) |
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==Concerning redirect== |
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I redirected to [[Johnny_Cochran]] because that spelling gets about 140,000 Google hits with 70 relevant news articles, while this spelling gets 51,000 hits with 45 news articles. [[User:Next Paige|Paige]] 16:33, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC) |
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== False Information? == |
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I can not find any source that verifies that Cochran was stabbed in 2004. If this is true, it seems that nobody remembers it. I suggest we either verify it, or remove it. [[User:Mescad|Mescad]] 02:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC) |
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: Removed the section about his aleged stabbing. If there is a source to confirm this, it can be added back. I couldn't find any evidence to verify this ever happened. [[User:Mescad|Mescad]] 21:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC) |
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The Note that the L. in Johnnie L. Chochran doesn't stand for anything also needs verifying. However, I couldn't find any information to prove otherwise. [[User:Mescad|Mescad]] 02:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Didn't I read that he thought his cell phone caused his tumor, and his estate sued the cell phone company? What kind of tumor was it? |
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[[User:Physicsjock|Physicsjock]] ([[User talk:Physicsjock|talk]]) 13:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC) |
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The statement that there were "a time when there were only two dozen black students.[citation needed]" is patently false. 40 African-Americans graduated fm LAHigh in 1954 the year before his graduation and if you go to the LAHigh Alumni page and look at the annuals for the following years of 56, 57, and 58 one will see the number of African Americans at LAHigh was in the hundreds[[User:Lenlee|Lenlee]] ([[User talk:Lenlee|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 23:23, 20 November 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Star Jones== |
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Is it important to mention Star Jones? I don't know the details, but on her Larry King interview, she says she learned as much from Barbara Walters as she did from the late Johnnie Cochran. He must have been one of her professors or something . . . <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:72.235.200.118|72.235.200.118]] ([[User talk:72.235.200.118|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/72.235.200.118|contribs]]) 04:43, 4 July 2006 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== The Michael Jackson case == |
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In this article, it states that Cochran defended Jackson in the 1993 case. I think this may be an error, because I'm almost certain that it was the 2004 trial. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:P4poetic|P4poetic]] ([[User talk:P4poetic|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/P4poetic|contribs]]) 01:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== Wikiquotes == |
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Do you think a small collection of quotes from Cochran can be put on that site. I had one on here, which it said "an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere," but I think that got lost due to the various editing after his tragic passing. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] 01:19, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:The one who deleted it said he was quoting Martin Luther King. But if you have other quotes, it would be nice to see them in the article. He was a great man; may he rest in peace. [[User:Alensha|Alensha]] 19:59, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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::Oh, ok. However, I think it is more fitting to add his quotes in a project called [[Wikiquotes]]. If I can find a few more, we can stick some there. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] 21:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:::*I prefer not using Wikiquotes, because an editor would also watch an external site for edits. I would prefer adding a few quotes here as is done with a number of other articles. Notice, too, that Wikiquotes is not particularly useful, because it doesn't receive as many contributes, and I doubt it is as popular as Wikipedia. [[User:Stiles|Stiles]] 06:11, 3 May hohoho2006 (UTC) |
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==Cochran's ethnicity== |
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Um, is there any particular reason why the addition of the fact that Cochran was an [[African-American]] to the lead sentence keeps getting removed? --[[User:FuriousFreddy|FuriousFreddy]] 21:49, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:A lot of folks -- mostly white -- think it's unnecessary. We black folks, of course, generally tend to think just the opposite. I reinserted it with an edit note that his ethnicity is important because it influenced the kinds of cases Cochran took on -- which, indeed, it did. I happen to think ethnic identity belongs in ''any'' article dealing with an African-American personality. The way to insert it and get it to stick is to argue that it has a bearing on the person's life. And, of course, when it comes to being black in this country, color virtually ''always'' matters in some way or another -- so it's an easy sell. It's all about finessing it. Annoying and, IMO, silly; but you gotta play the Wiki game and try to keep folks happy. (See my latest edit.) I intend to watch this to make sure it stays in. Peace. [[User:Deeceevoice|deeceevoice]] 22:52, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:<blockquote>I agree. Although I hate it. It does make a difference. Racism exists and it's still very important to point out that there are intelligent, influential Black men and woman. There is still a "Black History Month" to help educate people.<br><br>I am so sensitive about race, and it does piss me off that it DOES matter, still today in America. Morally it should not matter, but society still insists that it does, and continues to point it out. This is not a reason to add it in this article, of course. But should, in my opinion be added for historical significance for children or anyone else interested in African-American History. As "Deeceevoice" said it does matter in some way or another to Blacks in America despite class, education level, and contributions to the World, it matters and should be included, at least to be searchable. [[User:Jeeny|Jeeny]] 19:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC) </blockquote> |
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At the same time though, if you mention black for people who are black, but don't mention white for people who are white, you're insinuating that white is 'normal' and not necessary to mention, whereas black is 'unusual' <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/64.122.63.142|64.122.63.142]] ([[User talk:64.122.63.142|talk]]) 18:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Civil Rights Clients == |
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I think it's important to recognize that Cochran also was instrumental in the exhoneration of Black Panther [[Geronimo Pratt]]. Might also be ironic to point out that he prosecuted [[Lenny Bruce]].--[[User:Aric.bright|AMB]] 07:25, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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You're absolutely right. It bothered Cochran for ''years'' that he lost that case. (The cops hid exculpatory evidence.) Cochran fought hard to see justice done and eventually gained Pratt's release -- after Pratt spent 27 years behind bars. [[User:Deeceevoice|deeceevoice]] 13:05, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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== Pop Culture refs: Seinfeld == |
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Does anyone remember the character on [[Seinfeld]] that spoofed Cochran? I remember he handled a case with Kramer burning himself with coffee, and figuring heavily in the series finale's trial. Is this character notable enough to be included in the popular culture references? [[User:Dannybu2001|Dannybu2001]] 21:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Just stumbled on this under pop culture refs: "Cochran himself took these parodies in stride, discussing them in his autobiography, A Lawyer’s Life. [...] In two episodes of Mind of Mencia, Cochran helps "Judge Carlos Mencia" deliver fake verdicts on real cases." I think this needs to be re-worked as it makes it seem that Johnnie himself participated in Mencia's show, despite having died months before the show's premier in June '05, as well as being referred to as "the ghost of..."[[User:68.32.202.248|68.32.202.248]] 03:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Ved |
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== NASCAR == |
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The following passage by [[Special:Contributions/65.4.89.94|65.4.89.94]] at 05:31, 27 December 2005: |
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''One notorious case The Cochran Firm tried was in 2004, when the firm's attorneys, representing Francis Ferko and '''accomplices''', were able to '''bully''' NASCAR into eliminating its Grand Slam by forcing NASCAR to surrender the Mountain Dew Southern 500 in Darlington, SC, and giving a new date to Texas Motor Speedway.'' |
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...is POV and doesn't make any sense. Remove? --[[User:Adamrush|Adamrush]] 12:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC) |
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==Prosecutor, not District Attorney== |
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He served as a deputy city attorney, not as a district attorney (which is a distinctly separate office). He does not belong in the category "District Attorneys" but does belong in the category "Prosecutors". <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:68.16.185.42|68.16.185.42]] ([[User talk:68.16.185.42|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.16.185.42|contribs]]) 16:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== Proposed edit == |
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While this article is well-referenced and I salute all the hard work, it reads somewhat like a press-release to me. I would like to edit it with the goal of acheiving a more neutral, factual tone. I am open to input on this. Thanks! [[User:Sadie12|Sadie12]] 21:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Press-release? I thought I was reading a biography written for a 5th grade english class. Its really not well done. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:69.153.199.220|69.153.199.220]] ([[User talk:69.153.199.220|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.153.199.220|contribs]]) 06:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== Tory == |
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:: "Lower courts, before Cochran died, held that Tory could not make any public comments about Johnnie Cochran in any way imaginable." |
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Come on now, ''in any way imaginable''? Seems very unlikly. [[User:WiccaWeb|WiccaWeb]] 14:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== Broken Refs == |
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Hello! I was cleaning up broken REF tags and found that there were quite a number that were apparently used as well-meaning citations but there weren't defining REF sets to back them up. I've commented them out for now. Please help if you can. The REFs were/are: Black, BIO, London, AP and FOX. [[User:Ogre lawless|Ogre lawless]] ([[User talk:Ogre lawless|talk]]) 20:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== "If it doesn't fit" quote == |
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Hi! Is anybody sure about the famous "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit" quote? On the [[O. J. Simpson murder case]] page it says that "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit" is a misquote and everything I found supports this statement - see [http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9-27/8pm/] or [http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/cochranclose.html]. The only thing that comes close to "If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit" is the following quote: |
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{{quotation| [...] Mr. Darden asked Mr. Simpson to try on those gloves and the gloves didn't fit, remember these words; if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.}} |
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Greetings, [[User:Nexcis|Nexcis]] ([[User talk:Nexcis|talk]]) 08:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Family Move West == |
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He was born in 1937 in Louisiana, but his family moved out west in 1933, how is that possible?? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.192.161.162|66.192.161.162]] ([[User talk:66.192.161.162|talk]]) 19:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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"The family relocated to the West Coast in 1933" - I agree with the above. Should it be 1943? This info is not sourced either. |
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[[Special:Contributions/208.95.10.174|208.95.10.174]] ([[User talk:208.95.10.174|talk]]) 17:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Per info in his L.A. Times obit[http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/30/local/me-cochran30?pg=5], family moved west at some point after he was born, settled in Los Angeles in 1949. I edited the text accordingly. --[[User:Arxiloxos|Arxiloxos]] ([[User talk:Arxiloxos|talk]]) 17:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Brain Tumor due to cell phone use ?== |
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Is there any documentation on the frequency of his cell phone use? Did he carry one of those Gordon-ghecko cell phone bricks? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.147.42.134|71.147.42.134]] ([[User talk:71.147.42.134|talk]]) 18:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Johnnie Cochran settles record-setting $700 mil. pollution case == |
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Is this the same J Cochran who was attorney in the case that settled for what is considered the largest environmental pollution case ever, earning a whopping $700 million for 18,000 plaintiffs? |
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The defendants in the case were Monsanto, Pharmacia and Solutia, Inc., companies that allegedly caused severe medical injuries to residents of Anniston, AL, from exposure to toxic chemicals at industrial sites owned by the companies |
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If he is the same person then this information should be added to his profile - I think it is important <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/41.206.52.170|41.206.52.170]] ([[User talk:41.206.52.170|talk]]) 08:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[edit]I realize a section on Cochran's Family might be a bit complicated, but should there be one? I came to WP just ow to find out whether he had a son with only one woman, or with two, and the son(s)' name(s). If you agree and have the relevant family information, children, etc., perhaps you could create that Personal/Family section. Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host (talk) 19:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Article badly needs a family section, given alleged keeping up a relationship with another woman he had a child with in another city, while abusing his wife - relevant to his fame defending a wife beater. Not sure on sources. Oathed (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
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