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Missing book

The article mentions several fiction books on the subject but misses one by P Kerr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Kerr The Other Side of Silence. London: Quercus, 2016. ISBN 978-1-78429-514-1, set in 1956

the book mostly discuss Burgess and McLean and there is a transcript of an extensive "debriefing" of Burgess DBelin (talk) 12:51, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A small question of number

On looking at the lead, I felt it could benefit from some copyediting [1]. Fwiw, I was some surprised to find the sing/pl choice for "none" [of them] so controversial. After thinking a bit more critically about the sentence in context, I've tried this, though I can imagine that might be a bit controversial too (as it may implicitly call into question the completeness of our current knowledge). Fwiw, 86.186.168.233 (talk) 21:24, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My profuse apologies.

I wrote 'were' in place of 'was', thinking it something that had gone unnoticed, rather than intentional. Out of curiosity, what is the implied semantic difference? Euphemios (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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-Several anonyms have been busily adding their pet theories about the identity of "the Fifth Man". Please don't do that! As the article was already trying to explain, the preponderance of current evidence is that the ring contained far more than five members, and Golitsin's "Ring of Five" phrase was a red herring. Furthermore no-one has actually been convicted of it. It would be more appropriate to add a list of suspected members, each with a reason for inclusion, and perhaps noting (where appropriate) any specific public accusations, such as being the subject of a book.  [[User:Securiger|Securiger]] 00:53, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
+[[File:Sciences humaines.svg|40px]] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2019-01-15">15 January 2019</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2019-05-02">2 May 2019</span>. Further details are available [[Wikipedia:Wiki_Ed/University_of_Oklahoma/Cold_War_Science_(Spring_2019)|on the course page]]. Student editor(s): [[User:Cala971|Cala971]].
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-Regarding (in "Known Members" beginning): "Investigation of Philby found several suspicious matters but nothing for which he could be prosecuted, and '''he was forced to resign'''."  Resign when, and from what post (both nominal and actual, since he was intel)?  According to [[Kim_Philby#Chronology]], he was asked to resign in '51 but it was not until 1955 that "the Foreign Service dismissed him because of his association with Burgess."  This must have been an interesting four years, if it's really true he retained MI6 employment even though he knew he was under scrutiny.  What's the story here?  One or two sentences would solve this article's omission and probably add some interesting spice.  [[User:Marquess|Marquess]] 04:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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-==Gorsky==
+==Missing book==
-Perhaps some mention of [[Anatoly Gorsky]], London ''Rezident'' 1940-1944 who managed the group should be made should be made; also it's time to do a Gorsky biopage.  [[User:Nobs01|nobs]] 18:50, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
+The article mentions several fiction books on the subject but '''misses one by P Kerr''':
+https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Kerr
+The Other Side of Silence. London: Quercus, 2016. ISBN 978-1-78429-514-1, set in 1956
+the book mostly discuss Burgess and McLean and there is a transcript of an extensive "debriefing" of Burgess
-Look into Dr. Arnold Deutsch as the principal recruiter.  Another member - John Cairncross as the original fifth man.
+[[User:DBelin|DBelin]] ([[User talk:DBelin|talk]]) 12:51, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
+== A small question of number ==
-==Gay?==
+On looking at the lead, I felt it could benefit from some copyediting [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cambridge_Five&type=revision&diff=996418537&oldid=994395892]. Fwiw, I was some surprised to find the sing/pl choice for "none" [of them] so controversial. After thinking a bit more critically about the sentence in context, I've tried [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cambridge_Five&type=revision&diff=996836439&oldid=996833942 this], though I can imagine that might be a bit controversial too (as it may implicitly call into question the completeness of our current knowledge). Fwiw, [[Special:Contributions/86.186.168.233|86.186.168.233]] ([[User talk:86.186.168.233|talk]]) 21:24, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
-Wasn't the ring homosexual? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/209.206.165.32|209.206.165.32]] ([[User talk:209.206.165.32|talk]]) 04:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
-:Blunt and Burgess were homosexuals. (Burgess, in fact, was rumoured to have a variety of unorthodox peccadilloes.) The minor agent John Vassall (who was not part of "the Ring" ''per se'') was also homosexual. However, there is little or no evidence any of the others were. Maclean may have been bisexual but the evidence is sparse and he was married (his wife joined him in Russia after he defected), while Philby married four times and also had several heterosexual affairs (including with Maclean's wife.) Michael Straight married twice, Rothschild married twice and produced seven children. Hollis was married and had at least one child, and was rumoured to have had a heterosexual affair in Shanghai. I have never heard anything one way or the other about Cairncross' sexuality. -- [[User:Securiger|Securiger]] 13:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
+== My profuse apologies. ==
-The WikiP "fairy" has not messed-up this article, yet, with the usual line "...homosexuality was illegal in the UK in those days ...".  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/220.244.72.216|220.244.72.216]] ([[User talk:220.244.72.216|talk]]) 07:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+I wrote 'were' in place of 'was', thinking it something that had gone unnoticed, rather than intentional.
-== What was the impact? ==
+Out of curiosity, what is the implied semantic difference?
+[[User:Euphemios|Euphemios]] ([[User talk:Euphemios|talk]]) 06:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
-The article seems to talk exclusively about who they were, and not what they did.  What was the impact?  Article should state: Did they inform the Soviets about British nuclear capability throughout the late 1950s; or did they keep the Soviets informed about changes to the Tube schedules?  [[User:Tempshill|Tempshill]] ([[User talk:Tempshill|talk]]) 04:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
-The main actual impact, I believe, was the USSR getting to know about the Trinity project. The British input here related to critical masses of U and Pu, although its unknown if any of the Five had access to these types of details. Such knowledge would have allowed the USSR to bypass all of the lengthy and expensive experiments to determine the critical values. The USSR Joe-1 test was in August 1949, over 4yrs after Stalin was informed of the Trinity tests, by Truman. It seems unlikely that any technical details were given to the USSR.
-Potential unknown impacts related to details of the D-Day invasion, and afterwards. Stalin had strong motivations for D-Day to fail; in which case, he would have owned Europe by himself. D-Day details could also have leaked back to Germany.
-== Mitrokhin reference ==
-The KGB defector Vasily Mitrokhin has in his notes much more information about this subject, including how they were recruited and by whom - Dr. Arnold Deutsch. The notes were used as source for "The Mitrokhin Archive - The KGB in Europe and the West" by Cristopher Andrew and Vasily Mitrokhin.
-[[User:Emilpop|Emilpop]] ([[User talk:Emilpop|talk]]) 11:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Allies ==
-These articles need to make it clear that the Soviet Union was Britain's ally during WW2. These guys were not passing information to an enemy.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.113.57.165|193.113.57.165]] ([[User talk:193.113.57.165|talk]]) 18:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== No Nazis in the body==
-I have reverted an edit with this summary because the editor seems to have misunderstood the line "may have passed Soviet disinformation to the Nazis" to imply that there were Nazis in the body (presumably that of the Cambridge Five, although that is not clear). The suggestion that they passed such information could do with sourcing, though. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 09:22, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
-==The usual suspects==
-Wasn't Dick Ellis also accused? (Or am I confusing it with Hollis?)  [[User:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><small>TREKphiler</small></font>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><sup><small>any time you're ready, Uhura</small> </sup>]]</font> 19:13, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
-:Ellis was interrogated by Peter Wright well after the war for his activities round about the outbreak of war; while Ellis disclosed some information, Wright was unable to break him, according to his account in ''Spycatcher''. Hollis was believed by Wright to have been a fit as the Fifth Man, but was interviewed after his retirement and this proved inconclusive. [[User:Hushpuckena|Hushpuckena]] ([[User talk:Hushpuckena|talk]]) 06:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
-::Thx.  [[User:Trekphiler|<font face="cursive" color="#9400D3"><small>TREKphiler</small></font>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<font face="cursive" color="#008000"><sup><small>any time you're ready, Uhura</small> </sup>]]</font> 08:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
-==VENONA diagram==
-Does it merit mention the Sovs had penetrated VENONA (Weisband?)? And knew the U.S. & Britain was looking for spies from the very start?  [[User:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><small>TREKphiler</small></font>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<font color="#1034A6"><sup><small>any time you're ready, Uhura</small> </sup>]]</font> 03:12, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
-==Out of date==
-The article is completely out of date I'm afraid. Most of the facts are known now. The sources are obselete also.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:KestevenBullet|KestevenBullet]] ([[User talk:KestevenBullet|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/KestevenBullet|contribs]]) 09:58, 17 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Agreed, this article needs significant updating, citing and improving. I'll make a start.([[User:Lewvalton|Lewvalton]] ([[User talk:Lewvalton|talk]]) 21:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)).