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Untitled

For the deleted Page history, click on Cola di Rienzi, then click on "Redirected from..." then click on page history. --02:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

(the above unsigned comment is by Wetman)

In any case this was bad practice. If "Rienzo" is to be the preferred spelling (I believe it is, indeed), then the Rienzi article should have been moved to Rienzo, preserving its history, and a new Rienzi->Rienzo redirect created. I'm no admin, can't do it. RodC 22:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rienzo and Fascism

I seem to recall that Rienzo inspired Mussolini and a number of the Italian Fascists as a model for an authoritarian revolution. Does anyone know more about this? --Train guard (talk) 18:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A stick to beat the pope with? --Wetman (talk) 02:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't read anything about it myself. The biography I have cites Victor Fleischer's Rienzo: Rise and Fall of a Dictator and also Ferdinand Gregorovius' work in the one sentence it devotes to discussing him as a proto-fascist. Ministry of Silly Walks (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up

Article is rife with both unbecoming point of view and lack of references. If the authors deem themselves as to possess the style - though neither the quality nor the eloquence - of Edward Gibbon, whilst not using any references to substantiate points, the end result becomes an unreadable mess of judgement. For example: "He then seized, but soon released, Stefano Colonna and some other barons who had spoken disparagingly of him. But his power was already beginning to wane, as this sudden exaltation intoxicated his understanding, and exhibited feelings entirely incompatible with his elevated condition." The first sentence may well be okay, but needs to be referenced (I believe Gibbon, Vol.6). The second sentence is a beautiful judgement (if, again, by someone unnamed), but remains entirely inappropriate for an encyclopaedia. Instead, "Contemporary writers (c.f. ref) believe their release was evidence of his waning power,..." &c., would be considerably better (in the context of modern times encyclopaedia). My apologies for ranting about this without actually improving the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.103.7 (talk) 09:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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+==Untitled==
 For the deleted Page history, click on [[Cola di Rienzi]], then click on "Redirected from..." then click on page history. --02:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 ::''(the above unsigned comment is by [[User:Wetman|Wetman]])''
 :In any case this was bad practice. If "Rienzo" is to be the preferred spelling (I believe it is, indeed), then the Rienzi article should have been moved to Rienzo, preserving its history, and a new Rienzi->Rienzo redirect created. I'm no admin, can't do it. [[User:RodC|RodC]] 22:36, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
+== Rienzo and Fascism ==
+I seem to recall that Rienzo inspired Mussolini and a number of the Italian Fascists as a model for an authoritarian revolution. Does anyone know more about this?
+--[[User:Train guard|Train guard]] ([[User talk:Train guard|talk]]) 18:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
+::A stick to beat the pope with? --[[User:Wetman|Wetman]] ([[User talk:Wetman|talk]]) 02:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
+::Haven't read anything about it myself. The biography I have cites Victor Fleischer's ''Rienzo: Rise and Fall of a Dictator'' and also Ferdinand Gregorovius' work in the one sentence it devotes to discussing him as a proto-fascist. [[User:Ministry of Silly Walks|Ministry of Silly Walks]] ([[User talk:Ministry of Silly Walks|talk]]) 22:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
+== Cleaning up ==
+Article is rife with both unbecoming point of view and lack of references. If the authors deem themselves as to possess the style - though neither the quality nor the eloquence - of Edward Gibbon, whilst not using any references to substantiate points, the end result becomes an unreadable mess of judgement. For example:
+"He then seized, but soon released, Stefano Colonna and some other barons who had spoken disparagingly of him. But his power was already beginning to wane, as this sudden exaltation intoxicated his understanding, and exhibited feelings entirely incompatible with his elevated condition."
+The first sentence may well be okay, but needs to be referenced (I believe Gibbon, Vol.6). The second sentence is a beautiful judgement (if, again, by someone unnamed), but remains entirely inappropriate for an encyclopaedia. Instead, "Contemporary writers (c.f. ref) believe their release was evidence of his waning power,..." &c., would be considerably better (in the context of modern times encyclopaedia). My apologies for ranting about this without actually improving the article.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.3.103.7|80.3.103.7]] ([[User talk:80.3.103.7|talk]]) 09:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->