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Huma Batool

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Batool might not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (and for person particularly). It is important to demonstrate the subject's significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources that are independent of the subject. From the article, it's hard to see if the subject meets the criteria for notability. BoraVoro (talk) 07:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - In my view, BBC Urdu, Daily Ausaf, and Startup Pakistan are 3 best sources to consider (per WP:Three). Insight 3 (talk) 03:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete but I'm up for changing that vote in a second if someone can come up with decent Urdu RSes. WP:BEFORE yielded the above mentioned three sources as the most likely candidates. However, the BBC piece is an interview, the Daily Ausaf likewise, so neither counts towards WP:GNG. The Startup Pakistan piece, if it's not advertorial, is pretty shameful journalism, "Ms. Huma Batool, a born leader and a dynamic personality... a woman who has a great passion for her profession, she is an inspiration not only for Pakistani women but across the globe. She is awarded numerous awards for her services. She is a writer, and a poetess, and has immense fondness for English, Persian and Punjabi mystic poets." we are told - which is all mildly emetic. However, she founded an airline and is the first Pakistani female so to have done. And so we could argue presumption of notability if it wasn't for the sheer lack of reliable, independent sources out there. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

She received coverage in different news papers few of the references are as below:

^[1] ^[2] ^[3]

Comment: Google Translate version of the Urdu Wikipedia [1] article.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Google translate version of Insight 3's links above:

BBC, Daily Ausaf, Startup Pakistan

I'm unimpressed by the latter 2.

I still haven't found anything substantial but it may be WP:TOOSOON - the airline is just getting started.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm not seeing notability with what's given above. TOOSOON probably. Oaktree b (talk) 15:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ttps://www.brecorder.com/news/40213447/labourers-doctors-paramedical-staff-oman-offers-job-opportunities

[2] ttps://www.nation.com.pk/09-Dec-2022/fesco-bod-chairman-alveer-airways-chairperson-hold-meetings-in-oman

[3] ttps://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1075945-triumphs-of-women-in-education-showcased

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 Batool might not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (and for person particularly). It is important to demonstrate the subject's significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources that are independent of the subject. From the article, it's hard to see if the subject meets the criteria for notability. [[User:BoraVoro|BoraVoro]] ([[User talk:BoraVoro|talk]]) 07:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
 *<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Businesspeople|Businesspeople]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women|Women]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Aviation|Aviation]],  and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan|Pakistan]]. [[User:Spiderone|<span style="color: #996600">Spiderone</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Spiderone|<span style="color:brown">(Talk to Spider)</span>]]</sup> 07:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)</small>
 * '''Weak keep''' - In my view, [https://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan-59032694/ BBC Urdu], [https://dailyausaf.com/viral-news/news-202110-126903.html/ Daily Ausaf], and [https://startuppakistan.com.pk/huma-batool-becomes-first-ever-female-chairperson-of-an-airline-in-pakistan/ Startup Pakistan] are 3 best sources to consider (per [[WP:Three]]). [[User:Insight 3|Insight 3]] ([[User talk:Insight 3|talk]]) 03:36, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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+*'''Delete''' but I'm up for changing that vote in a second if someone can come up with decent Urdu RSes. WP:BEFORE yielded the above mentioned three sources as the most likely candidates. However, the BBC piece is an interview, the Daily Ausaf likewise, so neither counts towards WP:GNG. The Startup Pakistan piece, if it's not advertorial, is pretty shameful journalism, "Ms. Huma Batool, a born leader and a dynamic personality... a woman who has a great passion for her profession, she is an inspiration not only for Pakistani women but across the globe. She is awarded numerous awards for her services. She is a writer, and a poetess, and has immense fondness for English, Persian and Punjabi mystic poets." we are told - which is all mildly emetic. However, she founded an airline and is the first Pakistani female so to have done. And so we could argue ''presumption'' of notability if it wasn't for the sheer lack of reliable, independent sources out there. Best [[User:Alexandermcnabb|Alexandermcnabb]] ([[User talk:Alexandermcnabb|talk]]) 15:10, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
+She received coverage in different news papers few of the references are as below:
+<ref>https://www.brecorder.com/news/40213447/labourers-doctors-paramedical-staff-oman-offers-job-opportunities</ref>
+<ref>https://www.nation.com.pk/09-Dec-2022/fesco-bod-chairman-alveer-airways-chairperson-hold-meetings-in-oman</ref>
+<ref>https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/1075945-triumphs-of-women-in-education-showcased</ref>
+*Comment: Google Translate version of the Urdu Wikipedia [https://ur-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/ہما_بتول?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp] article.
+:--<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]]  •  [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 23:13, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
+::Google translate version of Insight 3's links above:
+::*[https://www-bbc-com.translate.goog/urdu/pakistan-59032694?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp BBC], [https://dailyausaf-com.translate.goog/viral-news/news-202110-126903.html/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp Daily Ausaf], [https://startuppakistan.com.pk/huma-batool-becomes-first-ever-female-chairperson-of-an-airline-in-pakistan/ Startup Pakistan]
+::I'm unimpressed by the latter 2.
+::I still haven't found anything substantial but it may be [[WP:TOOSOON]] - the airline is just getting started.
+::--<span style="font-family:Futura">[[User:A. B.|A. B.]] <sup>([[User talk:A. B.|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/A. B.|contribs]]  •  [[Special:CentralAuth/A._B.|global count]])</sup></span> 23:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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+:'''Delete''' I'm not seeing notability with what's given above. TOOSOON probably. [[User:Oaktree b|Oaktree b]] ([[User talk:Oaktree b|talk]]) 15:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
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