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Allow me to explain myself more clearly. Ashkenazi Jews do have Southern and Central/Eastern European blood. Nobody disputes this. However, that line in particular pertains to their main ethnic origins and identity, both of which are directly traceable to the Israelites of the Levant. Very few (if any) identify themselves, culturally or otherwise, with Southern Europe. You can't just add in every single piece of ancestry to the lead like that. Otherwise, every article of this nature would be a big mess. It's best to keep it simplified.

The related ethnic groups bracket pertains to cultural, racial, linguistic, and geographical similarities. Therefore, the aforementioned Levantines, Arabs, etc would be included, but not Southern or Eastern Europeans. Hope that made sense.Evildoer187 (talk) 14:53, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. Guy355 (talk) 15:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I was active before May, I simply didn't log in, I remained an ID user. The reason we logged during the same time is most likely because we live in the same country i.e Israel. The fact that we both created our accounts in December doesn't necessarily make me his sockpuppet, I bet many people created their accounts in December. I supported his arguments because I agreed with him (agreeing with someone necessarily makes me him?) not because I'm actually him. I didn't edit a lot because 1. I didn't have a lot to edit. 2. When I did edit a lot I didn't log in, that was around April/May in the article "Ashkenazi Jews". If I was really his sockpuppet, then why did I make contact with him only a couple of days ago? Truth be told, I do disagree with him on some things, for example, I do think that there's non Semitic influence in modern Hebrew. If it's any help, my name is Guy Jacks. Thanks in advance. Guy355 (talk) 08:26, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Unblocking based on CheckUser evidence. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:04, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Alright, thanks, I'll ask for a removal. Guy355 (talk) 12:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

{{checkuser needed}} Could a checkuser take a look and see if the technical evidence supports them being a sock or not. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 14:31, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Checkuser evidence indicates that they are very

Unlikely to be related. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's because we aren't sir/ma'am. Guy355 (talk) 15:57, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Guy355 (talk) 11:06, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your subjective opinion on the difference among humans is not a "fact"

Hey, I just want to say that after reading your recent posts in talk pages that just because you seem to choose to keep repeating the notion that "the little difference of DNA makes no difference among humans" does not stand up with the biological differences among the human races. I see you're trying to keep repeating this in talk pages to try and push forward "I consider myself of German and Polish ancestry" despite the fact you admit you're not ethnically descended from these two ethnic groups but on the contrast of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry.

Why do you do this? It's a huge contradiction. Perhaps read up on the differences among the races and stop being so ignorant.

Your subjective opinions are hugely wrong, the same as you think all Polish Jews consider themselves just as Polish, this is all wrong. I very much DOUBT you have spoke to every single person in Poland of Jewish ancestry and asked them "are you Polish or Jewish?". The two are separate ethnic groups, deal with it.--Policja (talk) 15:29, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you attack me without even knowing anything about me. Let's see now

" I just want to say that after reading your recent posts in talk pages that just because you seem to choose to keep repeating the notion that "the little difference of DNA makes no difference among humans" does not stand up with the biological differences among the human races."

If you didn't know, there's no such thing as "human races", no Human population remained isolated long enough in order to be considered a distinct subspecies, I reckon you're the subjective one, although since I don't know you, I can't possibly know.

"I see you're trying to keep repeating this in talk pages to try and push forward "I consider myself of German and Polish ancestry" despite the fact you admit you're not ethnically descended from these two ethnic groups but on the contrast of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry."

True, I'm from Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, not German or Polish, I was wrong, people make mistakes you know.

"Why do you do this? It's a huge contradiction. Perhaps read up on the differences among the races and stop being so ignorant."

However since I look at modern science rather than late 19th century science I know that there's no such thing as a distinct "human race" today, the last of them were the Neanderthals, and they went extinct roughly 30,000 years ago, since then we're the only "human race" around. Perhaps you're the ignorant one on this subject.

"Your subjective opinions are hugely wrong, the same as you think all Polish Jews consider themselves just as Polish, this is all wrong. I very much DOUBT you have spoke to every single person in Poland of Jewish ancestry and asked them "are you Polish or Jewish?". The two are separate ethnic groups, deal with it."

Assuming your name is Polish perhaps you have a problem with some Jews of recent Polish ancestry identifying as such? As I live in Israel and am in contact with other Jews of Polish ancestry, I can tell you without a doubt that all Jews who have ancestry in Poland I have met recognised that part of their ancestry as "Polish". How about you deal with that mate? Guy355 (talk) 15:36, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Copying and pasting this also onto my talk page?

Attacking you? Not quite. Trying to get through to you that your opinion that the small difference makes no difference at all is wrong. In fact, you have contradicted yourself even with just the one statement regarding blacks and running, I thought the small difference means nothing, remember "Not big enough though". Also if human races don't exist then there would be no such thing of a biological difference for running. You and I both know that races biologically do exist.--Policja (talk) 15:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Neven Sesardic has argued that such arguments are unsupported by empirical evidence and politically motivated. Arguing that races are not completely discrete biologically is a straw man argument."

Remember that.--Policja (talk) 15:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I never said there was no difference at all, I was just saying that the differences weren't large enough to make breeding with each other impossible i.e different species, or big enough to make sub species. Yes, there are differences, something you may call "races". But that probably makes a sub sub group, which is very small, although not to small not to be acknowledged. Guy355 (talk) 15:53, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ignorance is bliss. Firstly, nobody said that there was anything stopping people of different races to breed in scientific species terms, in fact even animals of different species can interbreed. What is your point here? They are called "races" for a reason, it is very valid and has a deep meaning, if you choose to ignore this and think of it as nothing then like I said, you are ignorant. "But that probably makes a sub sub group" and there you go again with the fairies thinking your subjective opinion is somewhat objective and a fact. No the differences are called races and not sub sub groups.--Policja (talk) 16:02, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop calling me ignorant when I'm trying to understand you, and when I understand some of your points and trying to agree with you. Yes I'm aware different species can breed, the fact that Humans and Neanderthals did it is self evident. Also even these days Mules are a result of breeding of a donkey and a horse. Guy355 (talk) 16:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But its okay for you to tell me to stop reading a book from the 1880's when nobody even mentioned that or eugenics *sighs*. But the Neanderthals were a specie not a race. I'm aware of breeding between species is sometimes possible. Again, this is irrelevant really. Final point, mentioning common ancestry among all humans is a moot point too. On the contrast, All of life share the same last universal ancestor.--Policja (talk) 16:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, it was wrong for me to say that, I apologize. Yes I'm aware Neanderthals were indeed a different species, i.e with a much larger difference than races. And it's also true that at the end of the day all species share a common ancestry. Again I apologize for my part, I made assumptions too quickly.

P.S I was in fact looking up for sources to present against your argument on race and ironically found out that scientists do say that there are human races regardless of what people may want to deny due to political reasons. :-P Guy355 (talk) 16:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There you go then, sorry if I came across as harsh and rude at first.--Policja (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's alright. I apologize for being harsh and rude as well. I admit that I was sort of in denial, I had a little identity crisis, but I guess I now know my ethnic identity now, I'm an Ethnic Jew (although not a religious one), I belong to the Ashkenazi Jewish ethnic division, my ancestry is from Germany and Poland (although I'm not an ethnic German or Pole). Sounds right? :) Guy355 (talk) 19:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Israelites

Hi. Re this, my concern was flouting of WP:DUE. I don't have a WP:POV one way or the other on the point at issue. I do have other fish to fry, so I'll leave this to work itself out without me. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:05, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Guy355 (talk) 13:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Massacre of the Canaanites

Hi!

While I agree with you that mythological Exodus is necessarily separate from historical fact, I'm not sure that the article on Canaanites is intended to be only about reality. For example, Canaan#Biblical_narrative. It would be nice if the story of the massacre(s) was spun off to a different article, but barring that, can't we keep the categorization there?

jps (talk) 14:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose. The thing is that the bible wrongly distinguishes between the Israelites and the Canaanites, the reality is that the Israelites were Canaanites culturally, linguistically and religiously, this part of the bible was written around the 6th-5th centuries B.C.E during the time of the Babylonian captivity, when the radicals managed to convince the Israelites to worship Yahweh alone (who ironically was Canaanite, but Midinaite), and those that refused were labeled "Canaanites". I suppose the article isn't entirely about reality, considering the fact that there is a part dedicated to the biblical narrative, I suppose it'll be alright. Guy355 (talk) 14:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

TheMainMan whatever his name is

Judaism is in your blood to make you distort the truth? Ugh! Christian anti-semitism. I wish there was a way to issue warnings based on user-talk page comments..... Aristophanes68 (talk) 15:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he's cold, but my skin is thick enough, it's not the first time. xD Guy355 (talk) 15:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Look at what he wrote on his page to me, is that enough to get him banned? Guy355 (talk) 15:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've reported TheMainMan69 over at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Anti-semitic_conspiracy_theorist_user_not_here_to_build_an_encyclopedia. You were mentioned indirectly, feel free to further join in or get some popcorn. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Or not, he was blocked almost immediately. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see... Thanks, I was debating with him for hours, the bloke just ignored what I said and continued to call me a religious nut and say that even though I'm irreligious Judaism is in my "blood", while Jews are an ethnoreligious group, and while I'm ethnically Jewish, and while Jews do share common genetic ties with each other, it's not in ones blood. I guess I'm not surprised to see he got himself into a misunderstanding with other users, TBH he's not the first bloke to do that in the past couple of weeks, there was another bloke who seems to have replaced the entire page "Jews" with propaganda about the Rothschilds and stuff probably from the elders of Zion, he was also blocked. Guy355 (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. What talking with him I did gave me enough of an impression that the guy's either a troll or a completely delusional antichrist*, and probably beyond our help (unless you can get me a ride to his house and keep the engine running while I try an unlicensed lobotomy). I've met conspiracy theorists who proudly leaped off the deep end who had more sense than that guy. I've add Jews to my watchlist in case he has any socks.

*(Christianity being founded by Jews, antisemites who claim any relationship with Christianity not only seem to miss the point but run in its opposite direction).

Ian.thomson (talk) 20:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I also had the impression he was either a troll or indeed quite delusional. He seemed to have had many typos in his sentences, not that that means something, he may have hailed from a non English speaking country, or perhaps of young age. Indeed, according to tradition all of the 12 apostles (save perhaps Luke) were Jews, Jesus was Jewish, ethnically most likely, and religiously without a doubt, twas Paul (also Jewish by ethnicity and at first by religion) who decided to abolish Jewish practices such as circumcision and the kosher dietary laws in order to make it more appealing to non Jews. I have no problem with Christians, and to be frank I find many things in religious Christianity that are more appealing to me than religious Judaism (no dietary laws, Christmas, Easter etc.) but that bloke was going beyond just generalising religious Jews, he was going after Freud, Carl Sagan you name it, he also claimed Trotsky was responsible for the death of over 100 million people, it seems hardly likely, considering the fact that only by 1927 Russia had the population of around 94 million, not enough for 100 million, and not enough to still have Russians around after supposed genocide. It's true, that Stalin was responsible for atrocities committed against specific peoples of the Soviet Union, such as the starvation of 3 million Ukrainian peasants, but no one claims he did that because he was Georgian. I only have a problem with fanatics, regardless if we're talking about fanatics in religion, ideology, politics, diet etc, and I won't really have a problem with them either if they don't come attacking me, calling me names, and claiming me to be something I'm not regardless if I time and time again explain their error which they simply ignore.

P.S, indeed, they do miss the point, didn't they read the letters of Paul, didn't he say that, Jew or Greek, it doesn't matter? Guy355 (talk) 20:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, no problem. I've never assumed antisemites were smart enough to differentiate race and religion, what with the rest of their mistakes. Between me worshiping a Jew and my thinking being more Lurianic than Lutheran, I can only have respect for your tribe. I hope you won't consider it fanatical on my part for believing I have a duty to protect the reputation of the Jewish people (all peoples, really). You're more tolerant than I am, I just assume the majority of fanatics have no place here. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Yes indeed, some anti Semitse do mix modern antisemitism based on ethnicity/race with old antisemitism based on fanatical interpretation of the bible/Koran. Thanks for the kind words, I find your belief of protecting the reputation of all peoples admirable, I can only hope there are more people out there such as yourself. Again, thanks for the kind words, I want to emphasize that I truly respect all people, regardless of race, religion or nationality, I try not to generalise, unfortunately, like in the case of all religions, and indeed ideologies, diets etc, some people take their interpretation to the extreme, and by doing so begin to generalise and spew words of hatred to any who may disagree with them. I couldn't agree more, fanatics, in any subject as I've noted, seem to only fill the community with tension and unneeded fraction. Guy355 (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please disengage from them: I'm going to remove his ability to edit his talkpage, since it's clear that he's just using it as a forum. Acroterion (talk) 02:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, already removed him from my watchlist yesterday. I tried to reason with him but he continued to attack me personally. Guy355 (talk) 05:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I learned something

Your detailed explanation on the talk page brought together various things I had read but had no clear narrative for. There were hot debates on the IMDB forums on the new Exodus movie and the Canaanite origin was referenced and most all the other atheists were not familiar. It is important the article is accurate. So thanks for your diligence. 24.241.69.99 (talk) 06:02, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No worries mate. Guy355 (talk) 06:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Racism

I am advising you to abstain from racism as you did here on the German American talkpage. AcidSnow (talk) 18:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And what that anonymous user wrote on the talk page of "German Americans" isn't racism? I'll quote: "This Article is complete stupid and full of German Neo Nazis Comments! And of Course, Einstein was a Jew like Heinrich Hertz or Paul Ehrlich or Arthur Eichengruen and many more. Jews are the inteligent People on Earth, thank God for this." To avoid hypocrisy, I suggest you remove that comment too. I noted the fact that the studies about "Jewish intelligence" really talk about Ashkenazi Jews, and that Mizrahi Jews tend to have lower IQ, if that's inappropriate for Wikipedia, so be it, but on the same level what that bloke wrote has to be removed to prevent cherry picking. Guy355 (talk) 18:47, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"cherry picking"/"hypocrisy", that's no the case at all. Unlike his comment, yours was flat out racism: "Mizrahi/Ethiopian/Indian Jews being far away from that, just look at how they behave in Israel, and how they (and the Arabs) decrease the average IQ in Israel to 94". I am advising once again for you to stop this. AcidSnow (talk) 19:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You got a point, and I apologise for that, I shouldn't have been so blunt. I already have stopped it. Guy355 (talk) 19:07, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Schama

Would you be so kind to provide, page, precise quote and link to the claim where Schama states that genetic studies found genetic relationship between Saudis and Yemeni Jews. As I do not see this. Currently this claim is unsourced as the quotation and the page of his book is not given. Thanks.--Tritomex (talk) 16:36, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can, I happen to have the book, I shall find the quote and page and add it. Guy355 (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.--Tritomex (talk) 19:40, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Guy355 (talk) 19:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks. :) Guy355 (talk) 14:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

European Ethnic Origin for Ethnic Minorities of Europe

If I may ask, why is it so important that the ethnic minorities in Europe have European "ancestral origins?" Is it not enough that they have genetic and cultural admixture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffgr9 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 21 August 2015 (UTC) It's not about importance, it's about presenting all of the evidence, and all the shades of the story. Guy355 (talk) 06:53, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] this is not sourced. the source used makes no refrence to any similarties to "saudis, bediouns and palestinians"..--يوسف حسين (talk) 15:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, it's not there, seems the source I inserted ages ago is gone, I'll add it again shortlyGuy355 (talk) 15:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

i took a look at this, i'm not an expert but it does not seem to support your edit. The table reads "Target for which these two references give the lowest f3(X ; Ref1, Ref2)" it does not say anything about being "genetically similar". possible original research.--يوسف حسين (talk) 16:17, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure but i think it says that ref1 (EEE) and ref2 (African) are lowest among these population. It does not make any suggestion that these groups are genetically similar.--يوسف حسين (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It clearly shows they plot next to each other. Guy355 (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2016 (UTC) This is without mentioning the Kingdom of Himyar. Guy355 (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully this can be an edit we can compromise on? Guy355 (talk) 17:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

well, the religion of Himyar remains obscure. they were influenced by Jews but I wouldn't confirm anything. Perhaps you should leave some space for doubt in your edits.--يوسف حسين (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Guy355 (talk) 17:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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