Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Today I Caught the Plague

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  —  Tivedshambo  _(t/c) 15:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Today I Caught the Plague

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Band that doesn't meet the WP:MUSIC notability standard. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, article fails to establish notability as per WP:MUSIC.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 04:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Delete. Utterly fails WP:BAND. Qworty (talk) 04:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Two of the members were in this band [1]. This site is notorious for not allowing entries for bands that are not significant, but this band made it onto the site, suggesting substantial notability. To top it off, it mentions Today I Caught the Plague beside those two members' names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongeese (talk • contribs) 11:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. —Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 04:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. i don't think a metal-archives page for another band we don't have an article on will do it. tomasz. 21:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. A metal-archives page is a signal of notability, in accordance to the WP:MUSIC notability guide. So if I wanted to, say, make a Wiki article about said band, it would not be a candidate for deletion under the guide as they are in fact, notable. Now, since Today I Caught the Plague have two members from the afformentioned band, that meets one of the criteria in the WP:MUSIC Notability guide, making Today I Caught the Plague a notable band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.56.125 (talk • contribs)

• Comment. A metal-archives page is certainly not a signal of notability, in accordance to the WP:MUSIC notability guide. And generally to invoke the "other members in notable band" argument the band in question needs to at least have their own WP article. tomasz. 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• Hmmmm. Notable because of their historical connection to another non-notable band. Nice one. Until I see some evidence that this band actually meets WP:MUSIC, eelete. Bearcat (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
• Confused I fail to see the correlation between being notable and having a wikipedia article. There isn't even a Wikipedia article on A Girl A Gun A Ghost. If a band is only notable if they have a Wiki article, maybe me making this article also makes this band notable? By your logic, that makes complete sense. Mongeese

Comment. Context is everything. WP:MUSIC includes "Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable". Now, if a band contains members of The Rolling Stones (big, notable band: therefore likely to have WP article), it's therefore obvious some criteria of WP:MUSIC are being fulfilled. However, if they only contain members of The Not Very Well-Known Band, it's certainly not so obvious. Therefore relying on membership of another band that doesn't have a WP article is unlikely to cut much notability mustard. Not sure what the reference to A Girl A Gun A Ghost not having an article was relevant to. Should they have one? Hope this helps, tomasz. 12:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. A Girl A Gun A Ghost are a notable band that should, in fact, have a wiki page. The mentioning of that was to reinforce the fact that there is no correlation between a band being notable and having a wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.56.125 (talk • contribs)

• Comment. Having researched A Girl A Gun A Ghost, i respectfully doubt that they are notable per WP:MUSIC, but anyway: the point wasn't to suggest that there is always a correlation between notability and having an article, but that, as i mention above, generally to invoke the "other members in notable band" argument the band in question needs to at least have their own WP article. Please also note WP:WAX. tomasz. 11:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Wikipedia content policy requires that articles are verifiable, have a neutral point-of-view, and do not contain original research. The WP:MUSIC notability guidelines are an aid to see if an article can meet those requirements. At this time, Today I Caught the Plague does not have independent reliable sources and cannot meet the content rules. Perhaps after the debut EP and tour, they will get some press coverage that will allow an article to be written but not now. DoubleBlue (Talk) 03:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. There was an article about the band in the newspaper the other day written by a third party professional journalist for a respectable paper. If my scanner was working i could link to a scan of it now, though i will try and find a picture in the near future. Mongeese 8:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.56.125 (talk)

Comment. If you were to name the newspaper in question, that might be one non-trivial third party source. tomasz. 10:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment/Keep. [2] Mongeese 11:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

You can continue to comment if you wish, but you only get one "vote". Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Comment: the metal-archive Mongeese mentioned is not notorious for not allowing entries for bands that are not significant. From the page "If you wish to submit a band local to your area that is not very well-known even among metalheads, you're more than welcome." "First, the band must have at least released SOME material. If you don't even have a physical demo... forget it." "Must be a heavy metal band......Or close enough" You only need to exist, be heavy metal and have a physical recording. You can be on that site if thats all that is known about you. eg Unholy Black Blood Baptism only has a 2 song demo. Being on that site does not suggest substantial notability. Duffbeerforme (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• The article that Mongeese references above, in the Kanata Kourier-Standard, is a single reliable reference in a local paper. I've been attempting to research this other band, A Legend Falls, from which two of the band members came, but have not found sources to establish notability for that band. As much as I would like to support an up-and-coming band, I am not seeing evidence of the WP:MUSIC standard here, so I am left saying delete. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:57, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

That article says the same as this article. The newspaper article was written by someone called Johnny Mcarthur. A wikipedia article existed for someone of that name and was recreated as Johnny mcarthur (see [here]). Duffbeerforme (talk) 09:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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