Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Provision (musical group)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. czar 02:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Provision (musical group)

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Article restored after a PROD contesting at WP:UNDELETE yet the user (band member himself) cited no actual improvements or how the article can become better, which it needs, the history shows the concerns also in that nothing has actually amounted to substance and showing this article can be sufficiently improved, the statements at WP:UNDELETE emulate signs of "My band is known, I donate to Wikipedia so that should also help keep my band advertised here" even if those were not the exact words, because amassing such a large amount of information, yet no actual sources, and then having the article advert-formatted, is enough concerns by itself; my own searches are not finding anything better and the listed sources are simply local news articles. SwisterTwister talk 02:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

• Hello User: SwisterTwister. This is User: Breye7x. I am also the frontman for Provision. It was been brought to my attention by User: Finngall and User: JJMC89 that any changes made by me to the Provision (Musical Group) page or any undo actions, represent a conflict of interest because I am a part of the band itself. I was completely unaware of this until today, and I apologize for my lack of knowledge on this fact. Our page here was created by a long time fan. It is not my page, even though it contains information about me. I use the term "my page" loosely. I am not the original author. Our page has been updated and maintained over the years by our fans. It has also been wiped clean and vandalized at different times, which is why I began to monitor it from time to time and add factual information that was true. Our page has been altered with untrue information many times over the years.

I did contest it's deletion yesterday when I saw that our page was gone. I have never had to do this, and I am sure I came out wrong in trying to explain my request. My band however does meet the "Criteria for Musicians and Ensembles" listed under #5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

My band Provision was signed with 2 of the Largest Synthpop Labels in North America. A Different Drum and Section 44 Records. We signed multiple release contracts with both labels.

Both labels have a history of more than a few years, and a roster of performers, many of whom are are independently notable; and have their own Wiki pages here.

I completely understand that because of the conflict of interest rule, I can no longer make edits or revisions to our page. And I have asked our fans to please help with this, and to make changes to the content for us positively; so that we can stay on Wikipedia. I love Wikipedia very much and I donate throughout the year to help keep it online. I did not mean that statement as any kind of justification to advertise my band here, when I contested the deletion of our page. I am not here to advertise, or to try and break or bend the rules. I had a rough day at work, and was upset because I believed our page had been wiped again by vandals. I love Wikipedia very much, and I have always been proud to be a part of it. Please don't delete our page. Please allow our fans the chance to correct it, and make it right. Thank You in advance for your time. Breye '7x' Kiser Breye7x (talk) 06:19, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

• Delete - Reads like a promotional page. Sources indicate only local coverage. None of the labels appear significant and there is a hefty chunk of CoI editing going on. Karst (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:26, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:26, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

• Delete - Non-notable band page that is promotional in nature. -- Dane2007 ^talk 14:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
• Page is in Compliance - This page has since been edited by multiple users. Page does not read like an advert, nor does it read in a promotional way when compared to multiple other band and musical group pages here. References cited from online publications in Italy (Chain DLK) and Sweden (Brutal Resonance) and others, include more than just local coverage. Dxtc2 (talk) 14:47, 4 November 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
• Notability - To state that none of the labels appear significant is untrue. A Different Drum was the largest Synthpop label in the world having signed over 100 artists and releasing over 400 singles and albums. Check out the catalog of releases on A Different Drum's page at Discogs. It's simply impossible to reject or discount the notability of A Different Drum and it's artists contributions to keeping Synthpop alive though the 1990s and 2000s. Some of it's most notable artists include Alphaville, Real Life, Christopher Anton of Information Society, Iris, and Provision. All of whom sold thousands of albums and singles and toured over the last 2 decades, which contributed greatly to A Different Drum's success. Dxtc2 (talk) 14:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
• Don't Delete - I contributed to this page in the first few years of it's existence under my former user name Dxtc. This page used to have other references that no longer exist. They were perhaps removed as the links were no longer accessible. The page was altered and changed many times by many different users. It was also vandalized here and there. The COI existed because a member who is also an editor here, had made edits to the page without being aware of the rules of COI on wikipedia. Someone should have reached out to him before the page was simply deleted. The page at User talk:Breye7x indicates that he was made aware of these issues by editors Fingall and JJMC89, who reached out to help him; and he has since ceased any activity on this page. Multiple editors have since made edits, revisions and performed cleanup; including JJMC89. No further COI exists, and the previous arguments for removal have been remedied. Dxtc2 (talk) 14:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Article has been sufficiently improved. Article has been edited for neutrality. Conflict of Interest no longer exists. All references point to functional links that are verifiable. Subject is notable according to wiki’s own definitions. Keep. Opticon98 (talk) 19:10, 4 November 2016 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 21:54, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:06, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

•  Checkuser note: Dxtc2 and Opticon98 are  Confirmed socks of Breye7x. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Breye7x.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
• Delete Musical group that does not pass either WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:01, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
• Delete with regret, because I like their music and own one of their albums. Didn't find any better references to improve the sourcing to satisfy WP:GNG. A Different Drum (RIP) was certainly a notable label, but debatable as far as being an "important indie label" for purposes of satisfying WP:NMUSIC criterion #5. And the sockpuppetry involved obviously didn't help the cause. --Finngall ^talk 22:17, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
• Keep with drastic reductions While the COI and sockpuppetry are obviously WP:GAME attempts, the existence of two bona-fide album releases[1] does (just barely) qualify on WP:BAND #5. I don't think that it really is debatable that Section 44 or A Different Drum qualify as "more important indie label{s}." Most of the content, however, definitely needs to be purged. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.