Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Salvador Alanís

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The result was no consensus and I don't see a fourth relist providing one. Star Mississippi 00:16, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Salvador Alanís

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In October it was decided that only Olympic medalists are default notable, others need substantial coverage. Alanis lacks substantial coverage. The one source is the deep of super comprehensive source that does not add towards passing GNG. My search for sources came up with a few references to other people named Salvador Alanis but no additional sources on this person. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
• Keep won silver and bronze at other multi-international sporting events, so meets WP:NATH (points 2 and def. point 3). Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
• Keep. Per Lugnuts. 2603:7000:2143:8500:30CD:F863:CA5C:68FC (talk) 19:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 06:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

*keep represented multi-international sporting events and won... trusted source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pranshu28 (talk • contribs) 07:39, 27 January 2022 (UTC) sock strike JoelleJay (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. WP:NATH establishes a presumption of notability, but per WP:NSPORTS athletes are still required to meet WP:GNG, and reviewing the sources at the article this athlete does not meet that requirement. Specifically, they appear to lack any significant coverage, with the closest those references come being with the sentence Salvador Alanís Duque, who with a time of 13.28 meters ranked 15th at the Los Angeles 32 Olympics, was the first to make history for Mexico in El Sol de Mexico and the sentence Mexico was represented in this event through Salvador Alanís Duque with a mark of 13.28 meters to occupy the 15th place, during the Olympic Games of Los Angeles 1932 in ESTO. BilledMammal (talk) 02:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
• Keep as per Lugnuts. Medallist in his respective sporting field, regardless of how well they performed at the Olympics itself, which appears to be the core argument of this AfD nom. Article itself is reasonably sourced for its length, but ofc can be built up further in the future. --Jkaharper (talk) 15:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
• Delete. No SIGCOV sources have been uncovered, which overrides any arguments of meeting a subguideline of NSPORT since NSPORT itself requires GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 18:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
• Weak keep, the article is now a strong stub and it's pretty obvious that the subject had notability in Mexico. The date of death being unknown is a major drawback. Geschichte (talk) 09:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Noting that the sourcing is unchanged from when I last assessed it. BilledMammal (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.esto.futbol/183482-tras-84-anos-mexico-con-saltador-triple/			"Mexico was represented in this test by Salvador Alanís Duque with a mark of 13.28 meters to occupy the 15th place, during the 1932 Los Angeles Olympic Games."	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20200418104435/https://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/al/salvador-alanis-1.html			stats database	✘ No
https://www.elsoldemexico.com.mx/deportes/alberto-alvarez-consigue-un-historico-noveno-lugar-en-salto-triple-189567.html			"Salvador Alanís Duque,quien con una marca de 13.28 metros ocupó el lugar 15 en losOlímpicos de Los Ángeles 32, fue el primero en hacer historiapara México."	✘ No
https://www.olympedia.org/athletes/73458			stats database	✘ No
http://www.athleticsnacac.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/CAC-Games-III-Athletics-Results-San-Salvador-ESA-17-21MAR1935.pdf	Original event results reported by the event itself		Purely stats	✘ No
https://library.olympics.com/Default/doc/SYRACUSE/35283/mexico-68-news-bulletin-organizing-committee-of-the-games-of-the-xix-olympiad?_lg=en-GB	Bulletin from a committee he was VP of		can't access the page	✘ No
http://www.codeme.com.mx/descargas/pdf_historia/08_quintadecada.pdf	Not clear what relationship the org has with Alanís		Mentioned in two places as the "technical director of the CDM"	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

JoelleJay (talk) 19:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Looking for more discussion on the source assessment table.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 23:57, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. Agree with editors above. No SIGCOV sources, and medal tally information alone doesn't establish notability. Deathlibrarian (talk) 01:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

• leaning towards keep. GNG is not a pillar of Wikipedia, it only gives some "presumption of notability" (like SNGs) and has its own faults: while it could be an almost perfect notability assessment tool for current/contemporary subjects as well as for anglophone subjects which can benefit from dozens of services like newspaper.com, the lack of online coverage for a Mexican athlete of the 1930s is all but surprising. The subject clearly passes WP:NATH, and while in its original version there was very little to save in its current form the entry is perfectly suitable for an encyclopedia. He was described by El Sol de México as someone who in his discipline "made history for Mexico", something which I consider a sufficient claim of notability, more than the dozens(hundreds) of influencers/youtubers who have a WP entry for barely passing the GNG bar through 2 or 3 articles in some obscure websites. Cavarrone 07:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

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