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*[[WP:AFD]]: add the line {{nowrap|'''<nowiki>*{{afdl|PageName|DiscussionName|ISO-Date-Opened|ISO-Date-Closed|Result}} Additional notes</nowiki>'''}} into the appropriate Deletion Archive section, maintaining alphabetical order by page name. Replace "PageName" with the relevant article name, "ISO-Date-Opened" with the ISO-formatted date that the page was AFDed, "ISO-Date-Closed" with the ISO-formatted date the discussion was closed, and "Result" with the result of the discussion ('''Keep''', '''Delete''', '''Merge''', '''Redirect''', '''No consensus''', etc.). If the discussion uses a different name from the article title (for instance, if the discussion covers multiple articles), replace "DiscussionName" with the name used for the discussion page and optionally also list the discussion under the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Deletion Archive#Mass nominations|Mass nominations]] section (otherwise leave it blank), and if the result of the discussion is "Merge"/"Redirect" or otherwise somewhat complicated, replace "Additional notes" with the name of the article merged/redirected to or whatever other notes are necessary. Once you have saved your edit to the Deletion Archive, remove the archived discussion from this page.
*[[WP:CfD]], [[WP:TFD]], [[WP:MFD]]: [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Anime and manga|action=edit&section=2}} Edit the discussion list] and copy the code for the completed discussion, then paste it in the [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Deletion Archive|action=edit&section=29}} appropriate section] on the Deletion Archive page, maintaining alphabetical order by page name. After the vertical pipe to the right of the ISO-formatted date the discussion was started, add the ISO-formatted date it was closed, and to the right of that, note the result of the debate. If further notes on the debate's result are necessary (for instance, the merge target of a merged article), place them after the closing curly brackets (<tt>{{))}}</tt>), similar to how AfDs are formatted above.
*[[WP:PROD]]: [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Anime and manga|action=edit&section=3}} Edit the discussion list] and copy the code for the completed prod, then paste it in the [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Deletion Archive|action=edit&section=33}} appropriate section] on the Deletion Archive page, maintaining alphabetical order by page name. After the final pipe character in the pasted text (to the right of the date), note the result of the prod: '''Deleted''' if the article was deleted, '''Kept''' if the article was deprodded, or '''Relisted at AfD''' if the article is deprodded and listed at AFD as a result. If the article is relisted, link the text "AfD" to the AFD discussion, and add the result of the discussion to the end of the line once the discussion is concluded.
This may sound like a lot, but there are plenty of examples to refer to, and if you have further questions or need more help, [[User:Dinoguy1000|Dinoguy1000]] will be more than happy to offer assistance.}}}}

== Archiving ==

Why is archiving done manually, instead of using one of the bots? —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 16:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Listing PRODs in the archive ==

Would it be worthwhile to list PRODs in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Deletion Archive|deletion archive]]? —[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: blue;">Dino</span>]][[User talk:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: green; font-weight: normal;">guy</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: orange;">1000</span>]] 05:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== To do: ==

Based on previous deletions, and the current tag and assess, we should probably go through the anime and manga articles and clear the following out/merge whatever relevant information there is to the primary article. Thoughts? [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 05:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
* Albums/OST. Notability concerns. (hundreds of them)
* Glossary. Notability, in-universe information.
* ''Techniques of'' ... Notability, in-universe information.
* ''Timeline of'' ... Notability, in-universe information.

:Very much agreed on all of the above! Would also add most video games, especially the unlicensed games. Only a few are actually notable enough to support a full article. -- [[User:AnmaFinotera|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>AnmaFinotera</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/AnmaFinotera|contribs]]) 05:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Totally agreed 100%. Let's wipe all this worthless, cancerous cruft that destroys the quality and legitmacy of our scholarly encyclopedia right off the face of the internet, and quickly. With gusto, we'll show all those IPs and anime fans that their ridiculous drivel has no place here among real articles. - [[User:Norse Am Legend|Norse Am Legend]] ([[User talk:Norse Am Legend|talk]]) 20:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

:::I disagree to a degree. I think album articles should not be deleted, but rather merged if the album isn't notable on its own. I think most timelines are probably not necessary, but there are some series which have extended timelines (decades or centuries) where a timeline can prove extremely useful for those unfamiliar with the series. Again, most series don't need them, but there are some which would benefit from them. Finally, I object to the extremely [[WP:CIVIL|uncivil]] and [[WP:AGF|bad faith]] tone of saying all of these articles are "worthless, cancerous cruft that destroys the quality and legitmacy ''(sic)'' of our scholarly encyclopedia". While it's true that some fans are a little overzealous in expanding articles about their favorite shows or manga, calling their contributions "ridiculous drivel" have no place here and only serves to be divisive and drive people away when they might otherwise become good contributors. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 06:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::::FWIW, Norse was likely being sarcastic. That said, I'm hard pressed to find an example of the above (save albums, which definitely can assert notability if sources are available) that satisfies [[WP:NOTE]], and actually justifies an article being created for it. Timelines and technique lists inevitably fall into the [[WP:NOT#PLOT]] trap, and most glossaries are full of [[WP:NOT#INFO|excessive, random tidibts]] that likely could be summarized in a "Setting" section in the main article. — [[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy;">'''sephiroth bcr'''</span>]] <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">converse</span>]])'''</sup> 07:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::When I think "timeline suitable for Wikipedia", Gundam immediately pops into my mind. Considering the popularity of the franchise, its longevity, and the sheer number of series (in both the main Gundam and derivative universes) under its belt, a single timeline article covering the whole universe could definitely meet all applicable guidelines, if handled correctly. —[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: blue;">Dino</span>]][[User talk:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: green; font-weight: normal;">guy</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: orange;">1000</span>]] 18:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Only if it can show adequate notability, which is possible but doubtful. A better way would be an overarching series article that has an extensive history section (as in real world history of the different media and the in-universe timeline is commented on). — [[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy;">'''sephiroth bcr'''</span>]] <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">converse</span>]])'''</sup> 05:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It's already been established many times that articles considered subarticles for a specific series do not have to establish separate notability if they were split out or would contain too much information to be included in the main article. And as Dinoguy1000 pointed out, there are some series where a timeline is really necessary to help people understand the relationship between all the different parts of a series (he mentioned Gundam, and another series would be ''[[Legend of the Galactic Heroes]]''). I completely agree that most series don't need them, and those could have everything included in a short section in the main article. However, very lengthy series practically ''require'' a timeline to gain any sort of decent understanding of the topic due to the epic nature of the series.  ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 07:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It was established for character lists, not for anything else. If anything, the recent RfC on notability came very strongly against spinouts (one of the very few things it did). A timeline wouldn't be exempt from [[WP:NOTE]], and besides that, is extremely suspectible to simply being deleted per [[WP:NOT#PLOT]]. Again, I don't have a problem with a timeline if it can assert adequate notability, but the grand majority do not, and instead are a ''long'' train of nothing more than plot summary. Regardless of the length of the series, the timeline needs to assert notability. Alternative methods are overarching series articles, which is probably the best way to go about it without creating a giant timeline that will be shot down for failing NOT#PLOT fairly quickly. — [[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy;">'''sephiroth bcr'''</span>]] <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">converse</span>]])'''</sup> 08:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::It's applicable to episode lists, too, so the same thing can be applied to other subarticles which are deemed to be necessary for a complete understanding of the series. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 20:14, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::No, it's not. The only things that are acceptable are character and episode lists (and chapter lists when appropriate). You're arguing that spinouts are appropriate, and I'm pointing out that if the recent RfC on notability did ''anything'', it came very strongly against spinouts. Aside from consensus-allowed spinouts, everything else has to assert notability. Such a timeline would be deleted per NOTE and NOT#PLOT. — [[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy;">'''sephiroth bcr'''</span>]] <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">converse</span>]])'''</sup> 04:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::That's absurd. In the cases I mentioned, the timelines would be invaluable in providing understanding of the series in question. This seems to be a case of people going a little overboard when deciding what is and is not encyclopedic. Making an across-the-board decision such as this without allowing for special cases such as those I mentioned is not beneficial to the encyclopedia as it intentionally prevents the creation of subarticles which would greatly enhance the main article, but be too large to be included in the main article. And, just to be clear, I am not saying that timelines should be allowed for absolutely everything; just those series where they would be most useful due to the epic nature of the series (or meta-series, in the case of Gundam). I am ''not'' arguing that all spinouts are appropriate. Not at all. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:green;">日本穣</span>]]<sup>[[Help:Japanese|?]] · <small>[[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small></sup> 04:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::The ''only'' thing I can see being acceptable is a development history article of the ''Gundam'' franchise. The in-universe history can be discussed within. A pure in-universe timeline without adequate notability asserted will be deleted. It's really as plain as that. I'm pointing to the RfC just to illustrate how narrow these exceptions are. In absence of a tangible guideline or consensus to give weight to these timelines as exceptions, then they will be deleted per NOTE and NOT#PLOT. — [[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy;">'''sephiroth bcr'''</span>]] <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">converse</span>]])'''</sup> 04:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::::And on the topic of video games, do a quick check of the major video game reviewing websites ([[GameSpot]], [[IGN]], [[GameSpy]], [[1UP.com]], etc.), and if you can't find anything there, check [[Metacritic]] or [[Game Rankings]]. It's not that hard usually to find adequate sourcing. If the game has a Japanese-only release, then it is likely difficult for adequate notability to be found, but given the number of [[visual novel]]s have been brought to GA, I'm willing to bet that many of them could assert notability. All this said, to err on the side of caution here is probably best. A good deal of video games are non-notable, but just pointing out that there is a bundle of possible sourcing that might not be immediately apparent. — [[User:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:navy;">'''sephiroth bcr'''</span>]] <sup style="font-family:Verdana;">'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<span style="color:blue;">converse</span>]])'''</sup> 07:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::See also [[WP:NALBUMS]]. I presume that the video games which AnmaFinotera are referring to are spin-offs of anime, which have no English release, and hardly any information (even in Japanese) at all; which can be easily merged into the main article. (E.g. [[Tokyo Mew Mew#Video games]] contains ''all'' of the information – reception and otherwise – that we were able to find about the specific games.) [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 07:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Found some more. [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 06:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
* ''List of fighting styles in'' ... Notability, in-universe information.
* ''List of shikigami in'' ... Notability, in-universe information.
* ''List of items and artifacts in'' ... Notability, in-universe information.

== Bot maintained list ==

I have added a subscription for a bot maintained list to ease the updating of these lists. This list is transcluded below. 

I recommend changing it to show only misc deletions (i.e. excluding articles), and transcluding it on [[WP:ANIME/D]] at the bottom, that way it will not be necessary to maintain those deletions by hand, subject to the project banner being included on those pages. 

Article deletions can then still be updated from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/News/Article alerts]]. 

The instructions for ''Anime and manga categories, templates, and misc'' and ''Proposed deletions'' can then also be removed.

[[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 11:35, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
:This may have been better brought up on the main project page, since this one doesn't get much traffic. That being said, though, some manual maintenance is still necessary with this system, since completed discussions still have to be archived, and we currently don't have a bot or script that can archive for us (hint hint), since [[User:The wubbot]] can't handle the archive format. —[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: blue;">Dino</span>]][[User talk:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: green; font-weight: normal;">guy</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: orange;">1000</span>]] 22:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe, but then again, only the persons actually watching this page would be interested in this. Unfortunately, yes, there is still the archive issue, but since the bot actually lists the outcome, it should be somewhat easier to archive. I have also put in a request for improvement for the bot to transclude discussions. It may help a bit in situations like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/News/Article_alerts&curid=20449386&diff=255529345&oldid=255313946 these]. [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 08:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::That's true, but with the current system, archiving completed TfDs, CfDs, PRODs, etc. consists of simply cut-pasting a single line and noting the date the discussion was concluded (if applicable) and the outcome - this is actually why I created<small>/hijacked</small> the {{tl|tfdl2}}, {{tl|cfdl}}, and {{tl|xfdl}} templates, because I'm lazy like that. ^_^ —[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: blue;">Dino</span>]][[User talk:Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: green; font-weight: normal;">guy</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style="color: orange;">1000</span>]] 22:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::See below for the current bot output. I have put in a request to have the cellpadding removed; this should improve readability. [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 12:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Question: this is based off the deletion sorting notification in the AfD, yes? I notice sometimes that editors from the project will sometimes just add the AfD to this page without adding a notification. —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 16:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:Nope. The list is updated if the project template ({{tl|anime}}) is on the article's talk page. Unfortunately the bot does not add the notification by itself. [[User:G.A.S|<span style="font-family:Brush Script MT; font-size:large;">G.A.S</span>]][[User talk:G.A.S|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;">talk</span></sup>]] 17:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:: Oh, okay. That's fine. —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 19:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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== proposed deletions? ==

The project page says at the bottom"

''Proposed deletions

no articles proposed for deletion at this time

    * Spitfire (manga) (via WP:PROD on 2009-02-17)
    * List of Spitfire characters (via WP:PROD on 2009-02-17)
    * Dominic Akuma (via WP:PROD on 2009-02-17)
''

How can you say ''no articles are proposed for deletion at this time'', and then list some that are?  And just nominate the things if you are going to, don't get sneaky with this method, which most won't notice.  I see a lot more things are proposed for deletion listed on this discussion page, instead of on the project page also.  Why is that?  [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 12:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

:The list on this page is bot maintained. The list on the project page is manually maintained. Feel free to update it. Cheers, -- [[User:Goodraise|Goodraise]] ([[User talk:Goodraise|talk]]) 13:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Should I bother listing articles that clearly will be deleted? ==

I often patrol prods, and I list any anime or manga related articles here when I see them.  However, sometimes I see articles that clearly don't belong, like [[Code Geass r3]] yesterday (someone's discussion of the reasons they think another season of Code Geass should or shouldn't be made), or [[Cool naruto characters]] (which gives as its source an article that was speedy deleted from http://narutofanon.wikia.com).  I've been wondering if people would prefer I list things like, or if I should only list articles that have some hope of being made encyclopedic. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 06:00, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
:List them regardless, then when they are archived we can refer back to them later. [[User:Dandy Sephy|Dandy Sephy]] ([[User talk:Dandy Sephy|talk]]) 17:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for the reply.  I'll list all of them I see from now on. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 18:25, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

== So many PRODS ==

Currently I see over 25 PRODs that have been completed (Deprodded, Redirected, not sent to AfD) should I archive them or wait a week? Normally I would wait a week but there are so many of them. Just asking for future reference. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 21:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

: Hang on to them for now, as I suspect many of them will continue to be worked through, with further actions to come -- this helps keep track of what's going on. —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 21:04, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

::Okay and thanks. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 21:26, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

== [[Jyukai (band)]] ==

I listed four prods here of songs by [[Jyukai (band)|Jyukai]] that had been used as anime themes.  Since people seemed to be cleaning up the articles, I wanted to point out that their albums and other songs were also prodded (the article for the band was also prodded, but it has already been cleaned up).  I didn't list those other articles here as they seemed less directly related to anime, but I figured people might want to know about them. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 17:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:159.182.1.4 is already in action there :p --[[User:KrebMarkt|KrebMarkt]] ([[User talk:KrebMarkt|talk]]) 17:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::He removed prods from ones I listed here, but no one has done anything with the ones I didn't list here (namely [[Sakasete wa Ikenai Hana‎]], [[Komoriuta/Himegoto‎]], [[Harvest (Jyukai album)‎]], and [[Wild Flower (album)]]).  Those are the ones that I meant to point out here, in case anyone wants to work on cleaning them up. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 17:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::Seeing that they have been Prodded I have listed them at AfD. I actully Prodded one of them myself earlier as I can see not alot of work had been done on the article but chose rather to tag it for editor reference. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 19:48, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
::::As it doesn't look like you have listed them at AfD, I think you mean that you listed them on the anime/manga deletion sorting page.  However, I think you may have misunderstood why I mentioned those articles here rather than listing them on the anime/manga deletion sorting page.  The articles for [[Sakasete wa Ikenai Hana‎]] and [[Komoriuta/Himegoto‎]] don't mention anything about anime, so I don't see why they should be listed at the anime/manga deletion sorting page (unless you know of an anime connection that I am unaware of).  For [[Harvest (Jyukai album)‎]] and [[Wild Flower (album)]], those albums contain songs used as anime themes, but I had still not listed them as I wasn't sure if they were anime-related enough to be listed. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 20:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
:::::I went ahead and removed [[Sakasete wa Ikenai Hana‎]] and [[Komoriuta/Himegoto‎]] from the list of anime/manga prods as I don't think they have any anime/manga connection.  I've left [[Harvest (Jyukai album)‎]] and [[Wild Flower (album)]] listed, as they contain songs used in anime. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 20:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
*If they were used as theme songs for notable anime series, doesn't that make the songs notable? [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 01:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

::Looking all through [[Wikipedia:Notability (music)]] and came to the answer of, no. This may be a inclusion criterion for bands and musicians ([[WP:MUSICBIO]]), but not for songs, singles, or albums ([[WP:NSONG]]). The reason for that is it's generally unlikely for a theme song to receive significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources, but it is not unlikely for a band or singer of a theme song to receive such coverage. What can really be covered by an song article anyways and would it not be better to to include the material in the band's or singer's discography in order to beef up their article? —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 12:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

== MfD listing ==

I know we want to list MfDs to userfied articles or working drafts that appear to have be abandoned, but what about userpages of fan-created material/spam, such as [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sonic GirlZ (Series)]] and [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Sonic GC]]? —'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:TheFarix|t]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/TheFarix|c]]) 18:40, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
:That stuff has to be deleted? If it's on an abandoned userpage, it doesn't seem like it will get in the way.  --'''[[User:Kraftlos|<span style='font-family:"Tempus Sans ITC"; color:#5342F'>Kraftlos</span>]]''' ''([[User talk:Kraftlos|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Kraftlos|Contrib]])'' 07:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Should articles nominated for speedy deletion be listed somewhere? ==

I know articles nominated for speedy deletion often don't stick around long enough for anyone to notice them, but if I do happen to notice one, should it be listed somewhere on the deletion sorting page?  If so, where should it be listed (there doesn't seem to be a section for speedy deletions).  I'm asking because I happened to notice that [[Nangoku Shōnen Papuwa-kun]] was nominated for speedy deletion. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 04:57, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

== Pocket Monsters manga deletion proposal.  ==

Based on what I found, I would PROD most of these articles, but since there's so much could someone with more experience in PRODing take a look and provide a second opinion. There may even be more pages hiding in the cracks somewhere. Thanks. [[User:KirtZJ|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">'''''—KirtZ'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KirtZJ|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">''Message''</span>]]</sup> 10:37, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

*[[Pokémon (manga)]]
*[[List of Pokémon volumes]]
*[[Pocket Monsters (manga)]]
*[[Pokémon Adventures]]
*[[Magical Pokémon Journey]]
*[[Pokémon: The Electric Tale of Pikachu]]
*[[Pocket Monsters Emerald: Challenge! Battle Frontier]]
*[[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Ginji's Rescue Team]]
*[[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]]
*[[Be a Master! Pokemon B & W]]
*[[Pocket Monsters RéBURST]]
*[[List of Pokémon Black and White chapters]]

:Pokémon is a huge series with a large fanbase if you place any of these up for PROD justified or not I would not be surprised if they were de-prodded shortly after. If you want these deleted then I suggest AfD first. As for my opinion on them I will check these out later today. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 13:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if there was biased against legitimate arguments. That's why I wanted more opinions. For instance, RéBURST can be deleted for obvious GNG reasons. [[User:KirtZJ|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">'''''—KirtZ'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KirtZJ|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">''Message''</span>]]</sup> 14:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
:::The list article [[Pokémon (manga)]] has been kept at AFD, so that one definitely can't be deleted by PROD. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 15:51, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
::Okay I have looked them over: 
:::*[[Pokémon Adventures]]
:::*[[List of Pokémon Black and White chapters]] 
::I would '''Keep''' these two and try to improve them, the rest you can send directly to AfD. I suggest a few at a time so editors aren't overwhelmed. I also recommend expanding [[Pokémon#Manga]] and placing the info in prose. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 18:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Well after testing the waters, it looks as though these pages are destined to end up being kept on a convenient "non consensus" vote so I'll just drop this drive. [[User:KirtZJ|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">'''''—KirtZ'''''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:KirtZJ|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">''Message''</span>]]</sup> 14:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

== Merges? ==

Should merges have a section here?  [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF</strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style="color:#663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color:#006600;">sniff</span>]]) 00:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

:I don't quite follow what you are saying, are you asking for a merge section to be placed on the project page or here on the talk page? I wouldn't support a merge section on the project page as deletions aren't meant for this process. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 00:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

:: On this project page, as a lot of merges are being proposed in place of outright AFD's, but with the same result that the article is deleted and replaced with a redirect? [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF</strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<span style="color:#663300;">bark</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<span style="color:#006600;">sniff</span>]]) 00:41, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

:::I would encourage merge discussions with RfAs if needed rather than placing a subsection. I know there are a lot now, but looking at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Deletion Archive]] there have only been 4 redirected articles done this year. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 00:50, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

== Article at AfD that needs input ==

Hello, there is an article at AfD that needs input: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvey Tolibao (2nd nomination)]]. It's been open since July 24, due to a lack of participation/consensus. Anyone interested is welcome to join the discussion. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"><strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;//&nbsp;[[User:TimothyBlue|Timothy]]&nbsp;::&nbsp;</strong>[[User talk:TimothyBlue|<strong>talk</strong>]]&nbsp;</span> 17:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
:Hi {{reply|TimothyBlue}} Per [[WP:ANIME]]: ''This project maintains an essential focus on anime, manga, and related merchandise originally meant for consumption in Japan. Therefore, its scope does not include works with incidental or minor association.'' The subject you linked does not fall under this scope. [[User:Lullabying|lullabying]] ([[User talk:Lullabying|talk]]) 18:49, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

== Auto-archiving, objections to removing opt out? ==

See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AnomieBOT&oldid=1061234616#Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Anime_and_manga], this page is opted out from AnomieBOT's auto-archiving which is active on nearly all other Deletion sorting pages. To enable auto-archiving all that is needed is to remove  {{tlx|bots|optout{{=}}AnomieBOT/DeletionSortingCleaner}} from the page. Is there any objection to doing so? [[User:Pikavoom|Pikavoom]] ([[User talk:Pikavoom|talk]]) 14:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
: {{ping|Knowledgekid87|Jumpytoo}} you are the last two users to manually archive this page, though quite a while back. Are you opposed to removal the bot optout? [[User:Pikavoom|Pikavoom]] ([[User talk:Pikavoom|talk]]) 08:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
::No objections from me. I was also curious why it was opted out, but didn't dig too deep into it. [[User:Jumpytoo|Jumpytoo]] <small>[[User_talk:Jumpytoo|Talk]]</small> 22:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
::: Removed optout. From what I can tell this is a historic remnant that isn't needed. [[User:Pikavoom|Pikavoom]] ([[User talk:Pikavoom|talk]]) 08:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
::::{{reply|User:Pikavoom}} The discussion involving bot opt out is actually here on this page: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Anime and manga#Bot maintained list]]. The issue with deletion outcomes showing up appears to have been [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Anime and manga/archive|resolved though]]. Are there any lingering concerns above that have since been addressed? - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 17:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
::::: I don't think so. All the other deletion sorting archiving are handled by AnomieBOT. The big issue with manual archiving is that it doesn't happen, in the past two years it has been a manual archive once a year. [[User:Pikavoom|Pikavoom]] ([[User talk:Pikavoom|talk]]) 09:06, 25 December 2021 (UTC)