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== I have to ask ==

I saw a comment in the pages view history about the bullets and their use. I have to ask that we use the bullets instead of the "br feature" or just straight entering, it's a bit redundant to me. Just use the bullets, it's neater for one and not so much a hastle on one's eyes.

Example:
''Fake episode table'' (featuring br system)
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="font-size: 100%;"
|-
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Ep #
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | No.
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Title
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:20%;" | Director
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:20%;" | Writer(s)
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Original Airdate
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Prod.<br />code
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:8%;" | U.S. Viewers<br />(millions)
{{Episode list
| EpisodeNumber=1
| EpisodeNumber2=249
| Title=Fake Title
| DirectedBy=Fake Director
| WrittenBy=Fake Writer
| OriginalAirDate={{Start date|2010|09|22}}
| ProdCode=Fake Prod. Code
| Aux4=Fake Rating.
| ShortSummary= Benson and Stabler solve a case where a child gets raped on a school bus. (''fake summary'')

[[Henry Ian Cusick]] guest stars as John Q. Public (''fake name'') the rapist of a ring of child rapes on school buses that goes back as far as fifteen years.<br />
This case was ripped from the headlines of the Yada-Yada-Yada rapist. (''fake rapist'', I hope)<br />
This episode [[Chris Meloni]] leaves the cast as Detective Elliot Stabler (God forbid).<br />
It was the lowest episode in the [[Nielsen ratings]] for SVU by far.<br />
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''OR''

''Fake episode table'' (featuring entering)
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="font-size: 100%;"
|-
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Ep #
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | No.
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Title
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:20%;" | Director
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:20%;" | Writer(s)
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Original Airdate
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Prod.<br />code
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:8%;" | U.S. Viewers<br />(millions)
{{Episode list
| EpisodeNumber=1
| EpisodeNumber2=249
| Title=Fake Title
| DirectedBy=Fake Director
| WrittenBy=Fake Writer
| OriginalAirDate={{Start date|2010|09|22}}
| ProdCode=Fake Prod. Code
| Aux4=Fake Rating.
| ShortSummary= Benson and Stabler solve a case where a child gets raped on a school bus. (''fake summary'')

[[Henry Ian Cusick]] guest stars as John Q. Public (''fake name'') the rapist of a ring of child rapes on school buses that goes back as far as fifteen years.
This case was ripped from the headlines of the Yada-Yada-Yada rapist. (''fake rapist'', I hope)
This episode [[Chris Meloni]] leaves the cast as Detective Elliot Stabler (God forbid).
It was the lowest episode in the [[Nielsen ratings]] for SVU by far.<br />
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}}
|}

''It could/should be:''

''Fake episode table'' (featuring bullets)
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="font-size: 100%;"
|-
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Ep #
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | No.
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Title
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:20%;" | Director
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:20%;" | Writer(s)
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Original Airdate
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF" | Prod.<br />code
! style="background-color: #B7410E; color:#FFFFFF; width:8%;" | U.S. Viewers<br />(millions)
{{Episode list
| EpisodeNumber=1
| EpisodeNumber2=249
| Title=Fake Title
| DirectedBy=Fake Director
| WrittenBy=Fake Writer
| OriginalAirDate={{Start date|2010|09|22}}
| ProdCode=Fake Prod. Code
| Aux4=Fake Rating.
| ShortSummary= Benson and Stabler solve a case where a child gets raped on a school bus. (''fake summary'')

* [[Henry Ian Cusick]] guest stars as John Q. Public (''fake name'') the rapist of a ring of child rapes on school buses that goes back as far as fifteen years.
* This case was ripped from the headlines of the Yada-Yada-Yada rapist. (''fake rapist'', I hope)
* This episode [[Chris Meloni]] leaves the cast as Detective Elliot Stabler (God forbid).
* It was the lowest episode in the [[Nielsen ratings]] for SVU by far.<br />
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I noticed that the original ''[[Law & Order|Law & Order's]]'' [[Law & Order (season 20)|twentieth season episode list]] did the bullets. Which bullets really do come in handy for the SVU summaries because they can be lengthy and it all will be jumbles to some. And it just helps to differentiate too.

I think bullets or no bullets is trivial. What should be discussed is how people want to use Facebook/Twitter (and other unreliable) sources for episodes or either putting in episodes prematurely (I could see if they were added a week or so before they air but they are putting them in in July/August)! 

DO NOT DO IT, WAIT FOR NBC/FUTON OR MSN!--[[User:SVU4671|SVU4671]] ([[User talk:SVU4671|talk]]) 04:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:I made the comment.  That space is supposed to be for a ''summary'', not a bullet point presentation.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print">'''[[User:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</span>]]'''</span>  05:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::Indeed yet, special guest stars and necessary episode information (if the episode was ripped form headlines or etc.) SVU and L&O are not like CI and LA (soon to be) where you can just jump off a separate page to keep from cluttering the summary. Example being the last episode of the eighth season of CI, "[[Revolution (Law & Order: Criminal Intent)|Revolution]], notice in the [[Law & Order: Criminal Intent (season 8)|eighth season]] page that the only info in the summaries is when the Executive producers were changed, the rest of the info about Badder-Minehoff (mispelled), the opening sequence for that episode, and the ratings are in the acutal episode article on "Revolution"... we should (but can't) do that for SVU... too many people think that it's a waste to do SVU episodes in their own (I don't see why) article. Like I know 'special' episodes like this 2-part premiere and the LA/SVU crossover coming up should have an article(s).

But back to the point, I agree with you on the fact that indeed the summaries should be overloaded with misc. info but I do think info like Ripped from headlines and special guest star(s) should be there.--[[User:SVU4671|SVU4671]] ([[User talk:SVU4671|talk]]) 05:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

:See [[Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (season 11)]] on how I included the guest stars in the summary.  Some of the "ripped from headlines" are in bullet format and are sourced.  I must be the only one on Wikipedia that is against creating an article for each episode of a TV show.  They usually are all plot and no 'real word' detail, like production, promotion, etc.  It just doesn't work for SVU since not much is known for each episode's production.  I don't really know how other L&O pages do things since I don't watch (per Wikipedia and on TV) them.  <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print">'''[[User:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</span>]]'''</span>  06:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
::Ok I don't get why we need to list the guest stars in the episode table.  That's why we have the Guest stars section in the article.  This makes no sense at all. <span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print">'''[[User:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</span>]]'''</span>  06:39, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

== Episodes ==

How many episodes is the 12th Season have? -- [[Special:Contributions/91.64.28.14|91.64.28.14]] ([[User talk:91.64.28.14|talk]]) 21:33, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:I think 24. —<span style="solid;background:#5D8AA8; border-radius: 8px; -moz-border-radius: 8px; font-family: Segoe Print">'''[[User:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Mike</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:MikeAllen|<span style="color:#3FFF00;">Allen</span>]]'''</span>  00:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Episodes without a title/date. ==

I've been watching this page (and some of the other ''SVU'' pages) and making sure ref'ed material or ref'ed material w/ little credibility does not enter the page.

Usually the episode/guests lists are the ones with said 'false' material. Now I see and understand that [[User:MikeAllen]] had the episodes where we can see when the rest air (source: Futon Critic) but they did not have an episode title, causing the "TBA" markers to be in place of a title. All that is fine and dandy, but then vandals and others (mostly following [http://www.twitter.com/NealBaer Neal Baer on Twitter]) begin to add "false" episodes or episodes Baer has mentioned/episodes that are TBA later by NBC.

It causes a hassle to always need to revert/edit out said episodes. Usually it's IP addresses or wild and ready ''SVU'' fans. It's happened before MikeAllen's edits and it's still happening but the reason I removed them is not just because of the "false" eps. but because the episodes [according to Futon] are almost two months away (and I see TV Guide says that an episode titled "Totem" will air March 30, whereas Futon does not say that) which also causes conflict.

I'm suggesting that we add episodes to be "TBA" but ONLY if they are set to air in a "two week" radius. It keeps down confusion and vandalism from IPs/anxious ''SVU'' fans. While keeping up 5-7 episodes with "TBA" as the title; warning IPs/users only tempts others to do it, i'm just trying to keep from coming to this page and finding false episodes, it kinda leans into [[WP:CRYSTAL]]. Which is why I suggest waiting closer to a confirmed episode date to add an episode w/o or even with a title.

A good example is when NBC deciced to swap out "''SVU'': Dirty" for "''SVU'': Possessed" last year/month; it wasn't truly confirmed to be "Possessed" until about a week or so before the episode aired (January 5, 2011; 10/9c). Which goes back to credible sources (Neal Baer on Twitter is surely not one, one time he even told fans an episode of ''SVU'' was going to air one Tuesday night and it didn't). 

I do however have the remaining episodes hidden (which they should stay, i.e. being revealed within a two week period) That is simply my suggestion, anyone else got any better ideas?--[[User:SVU4671|SVU4671]] ([[User talk:SVU4671|talk]]) 23:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

== Gillian Hardwicke  ==

''[[Melissa Sagemiller]] plays the show's new Assistant District Attorney.''

^ I have removed this sentence from the Intro-paragraph, for a couple of reasons:
*Gillian Hardwicke is a ''recurring'' character, not a ''regular'' character like [[Alexandra Cabot]]; [[Casey Novak]] or [[Kim Greylek]].
*ADA Sherri West; ADA Casey Novak; EADA Sonya Paxton; ADA Mikka Von, have all appeared in this season.
*There are other recurring characters that have appeared on the show, including this season that have been featured in many episodes...You can't just have one recurring character mentioned, without the rest.

I'm happy for discussion on this removal, and reasons to why it was added in the first place. Thank You, -- [[User:MelbourneStar1|MelbourneStar☆]] <sup>[[User_talk:MelbourneStar1|(talk to me)]]</sup> 10:08, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

{{/GA1}}

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