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==Byzantine Empire==
Ghirlandajo: I still don't understand why you insist on removing the Byzantine Empire link, directly related to the name of the article. Care to explain? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Trapolator|Trapolator]] ([[User talk:Trapolator|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trapolator|contribs]]) 01:01, November 8, 2005</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

==Derogatory use of "Byzantine"==
Some salvagable content of [[Derogatory use of "Byzantine"]] has been merged here; there have been no objections on [[Talk:Derogatory use of "Byzantine"|talk of that article]]. --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00; background:#006400;"> talk </span>]]</span></sub> 13:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Third Rome: A book ==

There's a book titled ''The Third Rome: Holy Russia, Tsarism and Orthodoxy''.  Available from [http://www.amazon.com/Third-Rome-Russia-Tsarism-Orthodoxy/dp/0974230308 Amazon].

It is not just medieval, either.  Check out Evgeny Pavlov's writing titled ''[http://www.eusanz.org/pdf/conf02/pavlov_eusanz_2002.pdf The new Third Rome? Moscow in the Russian culture of the 1990s]''. [[User:Digwuren|Διγουρεν]]<sub>[[User talk:Digwuren|Εμπρος!]]</sub> 18:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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{{cquote|The grandiose programme of Moscow’s reconstruction in the 90s 
bankrolled by the New Russians was unambiguously ideological in its determination to re- 
establish the historical role of Russia’s capital, the role obliterated by the 70-odd years of 
Communist rule: Moscow the heart of Orthodox Russia, the glorious Third Rome of the famous 
16th century monastic doctrine, Moscow the bustling hub of merchants and traders—the Moscow 
that we lost and now have again recovered. Moscow city planners under the omnipotent long- 
term Mayor Yury Luzhkov attempted to revive foundational myths as they shaped the re- 
invented image of the city and transfigured its physical and symbolic landscape, setting up new 
urban icons next to ancient churches and architectural landmarks of the Soviet era. Alongside 
faceless corporate glass boxes and international-style supermarkets that bear witness only to 
Russia’s entry into the global economy but not to Moscow’s special place, there emerged 
monumental public projects designed to celebrate Moscow’s glorious pre-Revolutionary history 
(still alive in vernacular dreams), and moreover, to recreate it. It certainly does not take a 
Jameson to recognize in these efforts of negating the Soviet legacy the latter’s stubborn survival 
and triumph.}}
[[User:Digwuren|Διγουρεν]]<sub>[[User talk:Digwuren|Εμπρος!]]</sub> 18:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

:Thanks. I do wonder how relevant is this to Byzantinism, though? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00; background:#006400;"> talk </span>]]</span></sub> 13:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Separation of criticism of the term from criticism of the concept ==

I think that criticism of Byzantine politics and criticism of the concept of Byzantinism as a poor generalisation of Byzantine Empire should be discussed separately. [[User:Digwuren|Διγουρεν]]<sub>[[User talk:Digwuren|Εμπρος!]]</sub> 19:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:Be bold? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00; background:#006400;"> talk </span>]]</span></sub> 13:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

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== Separating the term Byzantine from the concept Byzantinism ==

Byzantinism and the term Byzantine really aren't related intellectually. For example I came across the page from a Eurasian page and was confused as to why the majority of the page dealt not in political philosophy but a discussion of a dictionary definition of a word. 

I think the pages should be split since they seem entirely unrelated. If there is a relation in the concepts, it should be made more explicit. [[User:TheDangerRanger|TheDangerRanger]] ([[User talk:TheDangerRanger|talk]]) 11:53, 4 October 2020 (UTC)