Talk:The infernal names

Historical Blah Blah

I have edited the errors portion of the article and added references to the best of my abilities, however most of my faculties lie with the sciences, not the arts so I am limited in accreditation. - Akira1080 —Preceding comment was added at 06:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone's just posted a list of errors, and absolutely no sources are really stated for this article (internal links don't count do they?). Can someone with some sort of knowledge of this topic have a look at it and see what needs fixing? --Stretch 11:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I have further edited the errors section so it's referrances to Norse Mythology are more accurate. 86.25.8.190 (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Do we really need two paragraphs of Norse Mythology (confusingly sandwiching the rest of the huge paragraph) to describe the error? At least one of these looks unsourced and completely irrelevant. WillieBlues (talk) 07:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

This is what I read from a Satanic Bible which was hypnotizing me at the time.(not exactly this->/whatever!) My name is Jonathan Duque Alpha Beetlejuice Hitler Jesus Christ Jet Li Omega Satan Devil //. Ukraine Solarus Mercury Venus Earth Mars Jupiter Saturn Neptune Uranus Pluto Scorneon Subcerion Gargantuan Eden Atom Bomb Shang Tsung Pandora Lestatt Smoke Reptile Kano I want my BIBLE BACK!!!!! RaIDen Goro Shao Khan Cronus Gengus Chan Con CAne Kali Moneram Magneto Xavier Optimus Prime MIracle Abomination Good BAd word if I better take care of this A Pi Chi Aries Sky Ra AmunRa MumRa Ezra maybe Bustara Cupid De Locke Van Helsing SAuron Noah Wormboy NOt GOD NOT JEHOVA gotta find this stuff just right!.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.152.188 (talk) 20:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Where'd you get this, a Jack Chick tract? WillieBlues (talk) 07:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

"Clark Renato"

"Clark Renato"? Really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.158.132.167 (talk) 00:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Eh? What's this all about? Did somebody put a fake name ("Clark Renato") in the list or something? If so, it's gone now. WillieBlues (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Damage Repaired

There was a lot of damage to this page. I removed some erroneous entries, re-added a number of missing names, fixed a few links, and added some descriptions. All names were cross-referenced with a 2005 Avon Books printing of The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor Lavey. The list is definitive again with the exception of missing a few descriptions.

Just for anyone wondering, this is a page for the infernal names as recorded by Anton Lavey in The Satanic Bible for LaVeyan_Satanism. It is *not* simply a repository of aliases and nick names for the Devil. If it's not in the Satanic Bible it doesn't belong here.

Latcarf (talk) 16:03, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Errors in name meanings

So there are so many errors, it is as if someone was attempting to be a "scholar" but instead of actually doing research and citing sources, someone just wrote what they "believed" the names came from without any linguistic or scholarly knowledge whatsoever.

Case in point: Dracula - Romanian name for son of the devil, or dragon, which would also denote a "devilish" name, Romanian isn't too clear on which meaning, if not both, is correct.

Are you kidding me? If someone had done the slightest amount of research, they would know Dracul was a title for those part of the Order of the Dragon and was meant to bestow status as a defender of the catholic faith under an Order of chivalry. There was nothing "devilish" about it. This entire page is frivolous Mysticalresearch (talk) 00:43, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Your comments not withstanding, this page is the list of Infernal Names as provided by Anton Lavey in The Satanic Bible. Regardless of the "meanings" being right or wrong in your eyes, the fact cannot be refuted that this is what's in the The Satanic Bible. Satanism is a recognized religion and The Satanic Bible is the primary codification of it. This page reflects the infernal names (descriptions, spelling, and all) as printed in The Satanic Bible. Ceadda Agon (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

This quotation "Romanian isn't too clear on which meaning, if not both, is correct." has nothing to do with "faith" but states a misrepresentation and inaccuracy of facts. If you are saying that all these are descriptions coming directly from LaVeyan Satanic literature, then cite the sources and page numbers to each and every name/description. Instead, these descriptions state their meanings come directly from Hebrew, Greek, Romanian, etc. Thus rendering your argument fallacious. Mysticalresearch (talk) 18:27, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, all of the names and descriptions come from The Satanic Bible verbatim. There is (and has been for quite some time) a citation at the bottom of the article. There is no need nor reason to cite references for each name since the names are listed in The Satanic Bible in the same manner as they are on this page. I just added another reference in the introduction to clarify that this list comes directly from the text of The Satanic Bible. The list of Infernal Names are repeated twice in the Satanic Bible. First (with descriptions) on pages 58-60, then again (without descriptions) on pages 145-146. Ceadda Agon (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Removal of Maintenance Templates 2017-Jul

Two maintenance templates from January 2017 have been removed:

1. "Cleanup-reorganise" maintenance template removed after page was fixed to conform to Wikipedia layout standards.
2. "One source" maintenance template removed because this page is a list pulled directly from one text; The Satanic Bible. There will only ever be the one source and this is reinforced by the "LaVeyan Satanism box" on the page.

Ceadda Agon (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:25, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Attention Editors!

Just for anyone wondering, this is a page for the infernal names as recorded by Anton Lavey in The Satanic Bible for Satanism. It is *not* simply a repository of aliases and nick names for the Devil. If it's not in the Satanic Bible it doesn't belong here.

User:Latcarf (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Editing the list of names

It's unlikely that the list of names here need be edited. This list is taken from a published, internationally recognized source (The Satanic Bible) and is referenced in other works on the subject of Satanism as well. The list, as it stands, is a matter of public record so the names contained within and the descriptions thereof do not need editing unless there is a glaring error in copy. The list is not a collection of demon names, aliases for the Devil or repository of things you or others do or do not like. Exceptional cases where editing is warranted is to provide links to other Wikipedia content, fix typographical errors, or repair vandalism. Latcarf (talk) 15:19, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

With regards to the two demons that I linked to Zahak,my admittedly flawed reasoning was due to a portion of a book called Satan by Bruno de Jésus-Marie (père, O.C.D) , which conflated T'an-mo and Samnu with the demon Az,and since the Zahak article is the only article that mentions Az in passing,I made the erroneous decision to link them to that article. That's what happens when you make edits in the small hours of the moring while sleep deprived. 46.7.194.184

I meant to say Beherit and Berith were synonymous. 46.7.194.184 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.7.194.184 (talk) 06:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Is this really notable?

Yes, The Satanic Bible is notable because it's given in-depth coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject.

This article only cites the Satanic Bible. Notability is not inherited. This seems like an offshoot (and/or WP:POVFORK) of either the The Satanic Bible or the Classification of demons articles. Given the right formatting, it could be squeezed into either of those articles.

Are there any sources that discuss the Infernal Names, especially outside of the context of the Satanic Bible in general? Ian.thomson (talk) 18:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Certainly notable.

As for the notability of the Infernal Names, I think there are enough discussions in other works to establish both notability and that this page is not an offshoot nor a point-of-view. Although some of the included names are also demon names, the list is not within the realm of demonology.

In my understanding, The Satanic Bible coined the term "Infernal Names" and established the master list (misspelling or inaccuracies notwithstanding). Below are a few sources mentioning The infernal names and I'd imagine there are still others out there. It seems reasonable to me that the page stands on its own as a referential guide to what The Infernal Names are if encountered outside of The Satanic Bible. They are, after all, a component of LaVeyan Satanism and are typically used in ritual, so a ready reference serves the laity well.

• The Satanic Rituals mentions "calling of suitable Infernal Names" in the ritual Die Elektrischen Vorspiele on page 115.

• The Satanic Scriptures mentions the 'Infernal Names' in the Satanic Wedding ritual on page 234 and on a following page (236) lists a subset of the names. Specifically listed are those names "which are diabolical figures related to lust and sexuality." They are also mentioned in the Satanic Funeral Rite on page 256 of the same book with a subset on the following page (257) chosen for their "association with mythology of death or the Underworld."

• The Secret Life of a Satanist, in chapter 7: Court of the Crimson King, the Infernal Names are mentioned on page 80 and the text also includes a subset of the names from The Satanic Bible.

• The Satanic Warlock has a section entitled "Infernal Names" on page 41 and lists some of the Infernal Names along with others. The section is in the context of choosing a Satanic name for oneself.

References

User:Latcarf (talk) 02:30, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Suggestions

I'm not going to touch the Article itself on my own, and I honestly did not read Satanism, but I'd like to suggest adding Leviathan as it seems to belong and fit just well into the list, relying on

Source 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan#Satanic_Bible

Source 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan#Christianity

Source 3: (german) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_(Mythologie)#Christliches_Mittelalter

Appreciation offered for your suggesting this here on the talk page rather than simply editing the article for inclusion. There are two compelling reasons not to include Leviathan in the list of Infernal Names:

• The list of Infernal Names is taken directly from The Satanic Bible (listed in two places in that book) and is referenced in other Church of Satan books on Satanism. The list, as written in the text of The Satanic Bible, does not include Leviathan.
• Leviathan is actually one of the Four Crown Princes of Hell in The Satanic Bible and is therefore not part of the Infernal Names just as the other princes: Belial, Lucifer, and Satan are not. The Leviathan article mentions its inclusion as a Crown Prince in The Satanic Bible at the bottom of that article.

Latcarf (talk) 15:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

"Mistakes You Made"

Kali And shiva are not evil, they are the Destroyers of evil and protectors of justice and the good! So please remove those two from the list! Also shiva is known as The lord of mercy and peace, and kali is his wife parvati, they're not evil or destructive. Please remove the names of these two and the Asian gods of death! Yama is the god of justice and death so he shouldn't be included in this list!

Rana Asuthosh (talk) 06:06, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Mistakes?

Hi Rana Asuthosh! Thanks for becoming a Wikipedia editor and starting a discussion on this talk page.

I (personally, me) have made no mistakes. The Infernal Names page is taken from The Satanic Bible itself. As mentioned in the Certainly Notable section above:

[...] The Satanic Bible coined the term "Infernal Names" and established the master list (misspelling or inaccuracies notwithstanding).

So, issues that you have with the content of The Infernal Names page are not with the page itself but instead with the text (as written) of The Satanic Bible.

Let's look at this a different way:

Suppose (for argument's sake) you believe that Mickey Mouse is a person. But... Daksha wrote a book that says she believes Mickey Mouse is a dog. Later, Karishma comes along and creates a Wikipedia page about the book that Daksha wrote. She includes some quotes directly from the book and one of them is about Mickey Mouse being a dog.

One day Rana sees the Wikipedia page that Karishma created about Daksha's book and gets angry because it has a quote that says Mickey Mouse is a dog! Well, Rana decides to edit the page because Rana believes it's wrong. Rana knows in Rana's heart of hearts that Mickey Mouse is a person. So, Rana changes the quote and removes the part about Mickey Mouse being a dog.

Then, some person edits the page and puts the quote back! Well, that makes Rana even more angry and so goes to the talk page to tell the person that they made a mistake and Mickey Mouse is not what they said. Then, Rana writes about all the things that Rana believes with the expectation that the Wikipedia page about Daksha's book be changed to fit those beliefs. Of course, this Wikipedia page is not about Rana's beliefs, it is about Daksha's book!

Bringing this back to the case in point:

The Infernal Names Wikipedia page is about part of the The Satanic Bible. It is not about your beliefs, my beliefs, or anyone else's beliefs. It is content directly quoted from The Satanic Bible, a (well known) book about Satanism. It has nothing to do with good and evil, it has only to do with a list of names that may or may not be used in Satanic ritual by Satanists. If you have any questions about the content being correctly quoted, please acquire a copy of The Satanic Bible and read it. The references to the relevant pages in that book are provided in on The Infernal Names Wikipedia page.

It's nice that we can all believe what we will. I'm happy that you have taken it upon yourself to create a Wikipedia account and open up a discussion about your beliefs. This talk page, and the The Infernal Names Wikipedia page itself, are not the places to discuss your beliefs and detail your expectation that people change what someone wrote in a book over 50 years ago to fit with your beliefs. Please use your own Wikipedia user page to write about that.

Thanks for becoming a Wikipedia editor and starting a discussion on this talk page.

Latcarf (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Lilith not Eve?

Seems like Lilith is not Eve, so therefore cannot be correct. The Hebrew word for Eve means living. 174.250.210.5 (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Have you picked up a copy of The Satanic Bible and read it? If you look through pages 58-60, somewhere in that list (after Kali but before Loki) you will see the line for Lilith shown on this article page verbatim. So, it must be correct because this list comes directly from The Satanic Bible, and The Satanic Bible has printed exactly what is shown on this page.

Lilith isn't Eve, Lilith is Lilith and Eve is Eve. That's simple enough. How is the Hebrew meaning of Eve relevant to this conversation? Latcarf (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Awful

So first of all, Coyote is not a devil. Please stop trying to christianize every other religion, that's colonialism at it's peak. Also, it's down right insulting. 47.185.201.219 (talk) 04:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Awful?

It's not clear to me that anyone is trying to "christianize every other religion." I hope you recognize that this page is about a specific list of names used in Satanic ritual as codified by Anton LaVey. If you were to pick up the The Satanic Bible and have a read through, you would learn that the Infernal Names are a tool of ritual and the names listed are not devils at all. No claims have ever been made that they are.

I guess you're insulted by your own presuppositions. I expect that's something you need to work on by yourself without involving the Wikipedia community. Latcarf (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2022 (UTC)